has made a decision that all articles in the Let's Play namespace (list of pages in that namespace) should be moved to other namespaces.
Since let's plays are usually video-based, the target namespace is usually WebVideo/. However, some are text-based, and the consensus was to handle the namspacing of those on a case-by-case basis, with Blog/, Fanfic/, and Literature/ brought up as potential targets.
Before any given article is transplanted, we should confirm that it meets the standards for being a TV Tropes work article. Note that these often serve as hybrid articles for their creators in much the same way as the Music namespace. If there is insufficient content, the articles end up becoming about the creators, violating our "no troping real people" policy.
The crucial question is whether the article has any tropable, creative content. This means that it's more than just "Alisha plays games and makes faces." What counts as tropable, creative content? Here are some examples.
- Creating a fictional/roleplaying narrative that is distinct from the game being played or the real person doing the LP.
- Using the game as a medium to craft original content: songs, videos, machinima, and so on.
- "MST'ing" or creatively riffing on the game's content, as long as it's sufficiently transformative.
What are not criteria for a tropable Let's Play by themselves?
- Adopting a quirky personality, cracking jokes, making funny faces, or overreacting to jump scares.
- Cosplaying, playing with toys, unboxing merchandise, etc.
- Having a "gimmick" that makes them stand out, such as a repeated Catchphrase, eating loudly on microphone, or calling their viewers "Doggo fam".
- Playing games in a particular way (speedrunning, evil runs, no-kill runs, etc.) that fall within what it is possible to do in the game itself, with or without mods.
- Modding the game.
- Being very popular.
- Having lots of memes arise in their fandom.
Note that the same general principles apply to any Web Video creator, especially those whose main work is in news, reviews, vlogging, and/or reaction videos.
There are a few outliers that will need to be handled on a case-by-case basis.
- After-Action Report: I would move it to literature, although it could be considered fanfic.
- Liveblogs, which are probably not tropable.
Web Video cleanup sandbox
This project has several purposes related to all things Web Video:
- Cleaning up the WebVideo index
- Cleaning up the WebVideo/ namespace to move pages that belong elsewhere
- Cleaning up individual Web Video pages that have massive issues
Overview
The easy-seeming part when I started on Web Video (the index) was just removing things not even located in the namespace— found in Creator, Film, Web Animation, etc. Then I started noticing there were many things put in Web Video (the namespace) that were basically Creator pages, lots of Let's Play, other video game streaming that doesn't currently have an index, other misuses in index and/or namespace placement...
- original live action, meaning not animated or reusing existing footage;
- narrative/creative, a bit unclear, but it's not someone simply reviewing another work/reacting to other works/playing through another work;
- a work, which is... a work, not a creator.
) is much more broad:
"Live-action videos and video-based Lets Plays originally or only released online. Covers both YouTube videos and web-exclusive series, but does not include those that belong in the WebAnimation/ namespace. For big-budget series exclusive to streaming services such as Netflix, use Series/ or the appropriate animation namespace instead." — Not limited to original or live action footage, narrative works, etc. However, people have mistakenly created Web Animation pages in this namespace, made what are essentially creator pages, typed it as "Webvideo", etc.
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Reaction channels tend to straddle a line here, but are not generally tropable unless they create some sort of distinct creative endeavor rather than stare at a video and laugh a bit. Also it helps if they are reacting to fiction, not to real life. The latter may be entertaining but falls into the same general category as gossip. We can trope these only for their use of production and artistic tropes, not for their topics.
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No Analysis Channel index— corrected! - No index for non-Let's Play video game streaming unless they're on Twitch. If they don't fall into the Let's Play format and aren't on Twitch, where do they go?
- No
Gag Dub orGag Sub index - Where should we put channels based on prank calls, scam-baiting, other audio-based things where the video is incidental?
Pages identified for cleanup:
- A Dose of Buckley — see this ATT for more info
- The Mysterious Mr. Enter and subpages — issues include troping the creator and not the works
- The Nostalgia Critic and subpages — see this project thread
- Smosh and subpages — Smosh is a channel, and the pages have multiple works (may need a hard split)
- Thomas Sanders — Creator, lots of biographical details, previously hard split for Sanders Sides but may need another
See also:
- Cleanup: Review/Let's Play YMMV Tropes
- TLP: Actual Play genre/index
Just the index cleanup itself is a considerable project, figuring out what stays and what needs a different index, but there are also many pages with significant issues to clean. This is a very big project, but I've seen other people notice these issues, too. I hope we can at least get the index under control.
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For clarity and re: review stuff. Continue to edit as things occur that are useful to keep at the top of the thread.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2023 at 9:02:00 AM
So, Cream Heroes used to be about Claire Luvcat and her gaggle of cats, doing vlogs, challenges, videos, what have you. However, the people she partnered with refused to pay her, despite her making 99% of the content for the channel, so she left them completely and decided to set up Kittisaurus. I want to move everything from Cream Heroes over to a new Kittisaurus page. The actual content is split up into multiple channels.
The Kittisaurus channel itself is mostly challenge videos, where Claire sets up various obstacle courses or challenges for her cats to run through, as well as testing other kinds of new toys or treats and the like. Kittisaurus Villains is a scripted series where Claire voices all of her cats performing in a skit, such as Lulu and Dodo going to Professor Coco and Mentor Momo for help in trying to get snacks. The Claire Luvcat channel is a vlog series about her cats with the occasional information video on how to care for cats properly. A side series is also "If You're Happy, Say Meow" where Claire posts her animation videos, though due to real life issues that channel is being merged into the Claire Luvcat channel.
All of the various subpages would be covered under the main Kittisaurus channel.
I wanna get the OK before moving things around.
As for Cream Heroes as a brand, pretty much nothing at all from that channel has been added to the page from after Claire left, so assuming the move is approved, the Cream Heroes page can be outright deleted.
Most of that is Real Life Troping, anyway. The animations can stay, but pretty much everything else needs to go.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Feb 25th 2023 at 4:40:19 AM
@Sorio from last page: Because there is no narrative. A Lets Player making opinions is not a narrative. Many Documentaries at least frame real events in a narrative esque way and the same goes for reality shows. There is no inconsistency or hipocrisy let alone any double standards.
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Anyone familiar with Scott Manley? Most of the page tropes "guy plays games", but he apparently has moved on to educational space/physics content. Unsure if there's tropable content currently on the page.
Friends forevermore
It might be worth starting from scratch.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
the Retromancer
Is WebVideo.Lele Pons more a Creator/?
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With the filmography and no tropes, looks like someone accidentally created a creator page in the wrong namespace.
While cleaning up another trope I ran into LetsPlay.Daikatana. First, I'm not sure its under the correct name since usually LPs were under the name of the creator doing the LP, not the game. Second, not sure if it's keep worthy as it appears to be a standard LP with no new narrative, and most of the tropes are either misuse or troping the players.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Actually, technically it's doing it more correctly than other LP pages; An LP is a specific playthrough, not a creator.
That said, it can probably be cut anyway.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Came across LetsPlay.Mike Burn Fire while wick cleaning. It seems like a particular lets play is tropeable (from the description it'd be the fallout new vegas one), but looking through the page most of it seems like troping the real life people
Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 19th 2023 at 7:04:18 AM
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Is WebVideo.Watch Mojo tropeworthy? AFAIK it's all just straight top-10 lists with no plot, and a quick glance shows the entries mainly trope their opinions. Keep, or remove?
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Remove. Watch Mojo in my experience is all video listicles and you're right the page is mostly troping the opinion, not the style or presentation of them.
Angry babby
I could see it being crosswicked as examples of the trope being discussed, but Watch Mojo doesn't have much to actually say about these tropes other than just, like, recapping examples of them... which, you know, our trope pages already do themselves.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
She / Her
I think it can be removed because their videos are, from what I've seen at least, lists of things that are from preexisting works that can be troped there.
I agree tjat Watch Mojo is not tropable.
I agree on Watch Mojo not being tropable.
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Put it on the Cut List. Will do the same with the subpages. Thanks all.
EDIT: And done.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 4th 2023 at 9:20:18 AM
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Alright, so the WebVideo.Watch Mojo pages have been cut. I assume I should dewick?
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If it's not tropable, you might as well dewick.
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I don't think WebVideo.Lazy Game Reviews is tropable. I've been watching the channel for years, and I don't believe there's a narrative in any of his videos. Am I correct in my assumptions, or not?
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Yeah, I've watched a couple of his videos, and I'm not seeing a lot on that trope page.
PiroPito First Playthrough of Minecraft, as much as I like it, doesn't really have much tropable to it other than the gimmick (playing the game without consulting a guide). I guess we can fold it into nana825763.
Edited by FernandoLemon on May 24th 2023 at 7:12:57 AM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
the Retromancer
Leaning on that as well.
It was brought up before and I may have suggested the dame. The otherpage was made only recently.
Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music
I think the presentation of Lazy Game Reviews has enough tropes that we can keep it (which wasn't the case for WatchMojo; a lot of the examples on their now-deleted page amounted to "This Trope: Featured in the video Top 10 Uses of This Trope. #1 was Example Show"). It may not involve a narrative, but that's not a strict requirement for tropability — other types of tropes can work too (e.g. the Comedy Tropes used in a comedy routine that doesn't bother with a narrative).
I think PiroPito can go though. It's mostly just troping the player. Whatever valid examples the page contains can be folded into nana825763.
Edited by MathsAngelicVersion on May 26th 2023 at 2:01:22 PM
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So WebVideo.The Needle Drop sometimes does have plot/a character (Cal Chuchesta), plus Fantano has done joke reviews before, so it isn't completely not tropeworthy. However, almost the whole channel is just straight music reviews, without much in the way of plot. I assume no one would object if I made a sandbox (Sandbox.The Needle Drop Cleanup) to remove the entries that are just troping his opinions?
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 5th 2023 at 6:23:05 AM
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Okay to move Creator.Trueblade Seeker to Web Video/?
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