Trope Launch Pad discard project

Did anyone ever bring up Former Couple? It was discarded by Basara-Kun, and they didn't leave a reason.

I feel like it has potential and could possibly be a Missing Supertrope.

~Basara-Kun has been refusing to leave reasons no matter how many times we ping them and ask, so I'm not surprised.

I think the idea might have some potential, but the draft needs serious work or a complete do-over.

Removing Fortune Telling Tropes and Feed the Monster since they have semi-recent activity.

Also removing Intersex, which was recently launched as the more tropable Intersex Tribulations.

Forbidden Trope would definitely be interesting as an inversion to Enforced Trope.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 11th 2020 at 5:59:52 AM

Forbidden Trope is an idea I'd at least like to get discussion on; I'll see if I can beef it up at some point.

I don't remember Former Couple getting mentioned here before. With those bombs and non-examples, probably better to put it in the Yard for a better sponsor.

There's still two one draft from my last post that needs action taken. Hazing the New Guy and "No Save" Attack are both at 4 bombs and have been yarded already.

Anyway, here's a new batch of discard fodder.

• Computer Berzerk Button is Logic Bomb.
• Cult Fuel/Rocky Item: A draft from D Harbinger N, a recurring troper throughout this batch. It is the lowest effort draft I've ever seen; it has no description or examples, instead saying "Need to work on this." The laconic is essentially "a work that has a very devoted fandom", which is almost certainly already covered.
• Ends Justify the Convoluted Means: An abandoned draft that has no examples and is probably covered by Complexity Addiction.
• Hope You Practiced Those Counter-Dodges is "Noob Bridge, but with complaining".
• Ley Line Setting has an awful name (it has nothing to do with Ley Line) and was immediately abandoned, but it could be worth yarding.
• Major Plan Minor Demand is in much better shape than Ends Justify the Convoluted Means above, but it's still covered by Complexity Addiction.
• Mytheme: Another winning draft from D Harbinger N, who expected everyone else to do the work on it. The description is nothing more than two Wikipedia links and a request for help, and it just looks to me like "tropes used in mythology", which I'm sure we have an index for somewhere. If not, I guess we could yard it.
• Natterdemalion: Not related to Natter, this is Motor Mouth meets Street Urchin. It has a two sentence description that doesn't attempt to justify why the "raggedly dressed, generally young" part is necessary or how it adds anything to the trope, and the "examples" consist of three ZCEs that aren't formatted correctly.
• Proxy Marriage has a confusing one-line Alice and Bob Example as a Thesis description. I think I know what the trope is from the name ("an Arranged Marriage happens, but someone else acts as a stand-in for either the bride or groom"), but that awful description doesn't help at all. It also has no examples. I guess it could be yarded, but I'm not sure there's enough examples for this to be a legitimate trope.
• Selection for Societal Sanity Plan: D Harbinger N's third draft here. I have absolutely no idea what the terrible description is trying to say, the laconic may or may not be complaining about religion (I don't know because the description is just that bad), and it only has one zero-context example. The sponsor's comments attempt to clarify it, but even then, it just seems like it's trying to make a trope out of a Metal Gear Solid game.

Edited by Serac on Mar 17th 2020 at 8:50:10 AM

~Water Blap, can you please remember to use nuke-reasons when discarding a draft- even just so people know it was discussed here?

Is that a requirement? I thought that was unnecessary.

It's not a rule I guess, but it's preferred for transparency's sake.

Yeah, so no one gets in trouble for rogue-discarding, and people looking through the discard list know why something was nuked. It only takes less than a minute to link to the discussion ongoing on this thread.

i think Tabs should edit the OP to state that a link to this thread is required after discarding the draft, so everyone looking at the thread for the first time will see it.

Perhaps it'd be good to pin the first post, too...

I've pinned the OP.

Alright, here's a bunch of drafts from outside of the Mothball List (still need some action taken with the tropes mentioned here, anyway. If we don't do it all now we'll have to talk about it again later.)

• Diamagnetic Morality: No examples, the discussion is all just people trying to figure out how other tropes relate to the idea. The one single example anywhere is a ZCE.
• Corruption of the Pure Art might be worth a bump; it seems like a solid idea with some solid examples, so a sponsor can easily make it launchworthy.
• Reality TV Show Family/Friends Visit seems a bit niche, with the only real (and fleshed-out) example being Survivor, and the sponsor not having actually returned after the second day of editing it. There might be a tropeworthy idea from this, but as-is, it seems a little too rare.
• Accidental Cuddling Position has six hats because the TLP gods hate me or something. I think there might be a trope here, but there's no examples on the draft itself and the description seems too narrow.
• Consistent Clothing Preference I'm worried is an Appearance Trope with not much meaning other than "character likes to wear a specific type of clothing"...which is true of real people, too. (You could count the number of times I'm not in sweats, a t-shirt and a jacket on one hand). Doesn't feel tropeworthy to me.
• The Future is Better Than It Used To Be is an example-less trope that's really only saying that, in real life, things didn't immediately turn dystopian and horrible like people predicted. Besides, saying that "The Future Is Better" is more or less Chairs, as a dystopia is pretty much the only time when the future isn't somehow better than the past was, even if just because we're less likely to die in our mid-30s now.
• Ambiguity Denied is a draft with no (properly formatted) examples, edits, or comments, but the actual idea behind it might be tropeworthy.
• Unfortunate Implications - Busted! is a low-effort draft that somehow has 4 hats. It might be enough of an idea to work, but I'm not sure.

I think Diamagnetic Morality should be yarded. It's describing something that could be a trope, but I don't know if enough examples exist.

I bombed Consistent Clothing Preference (because I agree with it just being yet another meaningless appearance "trope") and The Future Is Better than It Used to Be (because I feel like all of the examples will be redundant with the various flavors of Dystopia).

I am not sure what Diamagnetic Morality is supposed to be in practice but I suppose it could be yarded.

Accidental Cuddling Position is a valid trope but the Example as a Thesis in the description doesn't seem to be needed. There's a way to describe without basing it around a specific hypothetical example.

I think Consistent Clothing Preference can folded into Meaningful Appearance if it actually tells something about the character. Otherwise, I don't think it's needed.

Ambiguity Denied could be yarded on the basis that there was no further discussion. Or I guess it can bumped to generate some feedback?

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 24th 2020 at 12:43:45 PM

As for the Mothball entries:

I say leave the following alone; in fact, we can just take them off the list as they're too viable to actually consider throwing away:

Fad Starter Fake Orgasm Fantastic Plagiarism The First Supers

Removed Feed The Monster and Fortune Telling Tropes for recent activity.

I don't really see what's so tropeworthy in what Finish With A Flourish is describing, but judging from the votes, I'm in the minority.

Five-Victim Ensemble: I hate ensemble tropes, but if this pattern is actually true in practice, I guess it's tropeworthy. It has the hats to launch so I don't really see yarding it.

Furnace Execution/Cooked To Death: Ehhh, it's hard to say. There's pretty significant overlap on the Venn diagram of these two tropes. I think Furnace Execution is the broader of the two, but Cooked To Death, at least theoretically, allows for examples that wouldn't fit under Furnace Execution. I'm okay with both of them existing, but I guess it depends on how much differentiation between tropes is required.

Heart Motifs: Honestly I think it should be combined with Heart Symbol, if only because the latter seems to be an example of troping "any & everything a person may encounter in media" than, well, an actual trope.

^ - Heart Symbol is used a representation of a cardiological heart and love.

While the latter is part of Cardiovascular Love, it isn't a requirement that it be a Heart Symbol.

Also as a suit of cards, but that's not really part of the trope.

Heart Motifs TLP... I'd rather re-name to Heart Symbol Motifs so we can say that it's a Sub-Trope of Heart Symbol and not duplicate entries. Instead, allowing it to rip Heart Symbol examples out.

From Heart Symbol, the only examples that aren't Heart Symbol Motifs is:

• Asian Animation
• Web Original
• Western Animation

Like, if I represented the "Heart of the Castle" on a map with a Heart Symbol, it'd be Heart Symbol, but not "Heart (Symbol) Motifs".

Ya know?

Edited by Malady on Mar 25th 2020 at 4:41:02 AM

By the way, I have restored The Protestant Reformation draft because I haven't finished this one after being collecting in pixel dust.

I'm held accountable for not finishing it because of preoccupation and initial loss of interest, but discarding it without letting me finish it in due time is just discourteous in my part.

Ask me first before you want to discard it again.

The last batch of garbage was dealt with a while ago, so here's another one.

• A great Thunderbolt! is an abandoned stub with no examples, but it could be worth yarding.
• Big Brother Loves You: This is "We Care, but performed by a dystopian government rather than an evil corporation". I'm not entirely sure what to do here. My first instinct is to discard it for redundancy, but I guess we could yard it. But either way, it should be discarded for being in pretty bad shape.
• Chin Moving Animation is a specific type of Limited Animation.
• Comically Unaccepted Apology is an abandoned stub with no examples. It could be yardable if there are actual examples to be had, but I don't know of any.
• Electrocution is Always Visible, despite the name, is actually Harmless Electrocution.
• Genius Equals Insanity is covered by The Madness Place and Science-Related Memetic Disorder, and the original sponsor agrees that it's not worth its own page.
• Killer Blink is Five-Second Foreshadowing, but as a Freeze-Frame Bonus. It's also a zero-effort stub.
• Mirrored Climactic Battles is Counterpart Combat Coordination.
• Mook Race is covered by Slave Mooks and Henchmen Race.
• Ophidian Reiteration is Parrot Exposition with an obtuse reference in its name.^note "Ophidian" means "of or relating to snakes", and the main character of Metal Gear is known as Solid Snake.
• Pathing to Nowhere is a specific type of Artificial Stupidity that's saturated with complaining.
• Stretch-print is an abandoned stub with no examples. It could be yardable if there are actual examples to be had, but I don't know of any.

Edited by Serac on Apr 8th 2020 at 12:21:39 PM

Fair enough, but at this point might it make more sense to restart the draft? The bomb count is pretty bad.

Besides, the draft was technically Up For Grabs, so at that point it's a little more "fair game" to discard it (and most sponsors wouldn't want to come back to abandoned drafts anyway). I get what you're saying, but try and see our side of it too, yeah?

"In due time" means "within a natural or appropriate period of time," not "abandon something for more than two years without a single comment or update, and then get huffy when someone discards it for being abandoned."

Fair enough if you want to finish the draft now, but spare us the accusations of being rude. You'd be well within your right to complain if the draft was only abandoned for a month or even three before discard, but after more than two years any reasonable person would assume that it's been given up.

Sound point. Pardon my accusations and rudeness.

But then again, the draft is a Useful Note, so that can be discardable once the draft is fully fleshed out and there are enough examples related to the time period.

Honestly, when will there be a namespace for Useful Notes? Everytime a Useful Notes draft gets launched, they always end up in the Main/Usefulnotes[Topic] namespace.

That's because you can't (and are apparently not required to) use the TLP to create something in the Useful Notes namespace. You'd create it the same way you'd create a work page.