Ambiguous Name: Relationship Writing Fumble

The "Platonicity Not Perceived" suggestion sounds decent.

Since this thread is clocked, should we just put the sandboxes (Sandbox.Relationship Writing Fumble and Sandbox.Friendship Writing Fumble) in place with the supertrope being exampleless (as with a lot of other supertropes) and Main.Friendship Writing Fumble (or a different name if we hold a new vote) having the examples currently on Main.Relationship Writing Fumble?

I suppose any wick cleanup that needs to be done (it was already done for Designated Love Interest) can be moved to Short-Term Projects if this clocks out.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 8th 2020 at 11:47:20 AM

OK, this is evidently not going to work out. Closing.

Since some wicks are staying under the name Relationship Writing Fumble instead of being moved to Friendship Writing Fumble, I made Sandbox.Wick Cleaning Fumble to keep track of which namespaces have been gone through.

I added this to Launch Displacement, which I forgot to do earlier.

OK, so since I closed two threads, I'll probably work on this next; I previously worked on Relationship Writing Fumble's now-subtrope a couple of years ago. Most wicks are already on YMMV subpages, so for those pages it would be a matter of moving ones that fit Friendship Writing Fumble to that name while leaving the rest alone.

I'm not going to bother adding on-page examples since this is such a broad supertrope (with subtropes including Audience Reactions with thousands of wicks like No Yay, Fan-Preferred Couple, and especially Ho Yay).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 25th 2022 at 5:00:32 AM

To kick this off. From YMMV.Once Upon A Time:

• Relationship Writing Fumble:
  • Emma and Regina's interactions often come off more romantic than the simple friendship the creators say they intended it to be. In earlier seasons, the chemistry between Jennifer Morrison and Lana Parrilla led some fans to believe that they were being set up with Belligerent Sexual Tension, not helped by how often the two love to invade each other's personal space. Season 4 took this to the extreme, with one episode being devoted entirely to Emma attempting to rebuild her friendship with her and showing that once she does, the two have eaten lunch together enough that Emma knows Regina's dieting routine. Emma's devotion to Regina is also startlingly like that of a lover, especially in the Season 4 finale, where she sacrifices herself to save Regina. While the creators and Morrison have tried to spin it as her saving the town, the Season 5 premiere has multiple characters, including Emma's actual love interest Hook, refer to it as her sacrificing herself for Regina. Some fans have also interpreted Regina's constant insulting of Hook as jealousy over his being with Emma. Despite both of them having canon love interests, many fans are convinced that Emma and Regina are the show's Official Couple. It helps a bit that they share a son in different ways — Emma is Henry's biological mother, while Regina is Henry's adoptive mother. Both are devoted mothers to Henry, so Emma and Regina's relationship to each other and Henry can play as Has Two Mommies.
  • Snow and Red are incredibly close, and most of their scenes are full of Les Yay. Red even chooses Snow over her own family in a scene that would still make sense if they were lovers. Red may be a Shipper on Deck for Snow and Charming, but some of their scenes are written like they're a couple.
  • Emma and August have killer chemistry Most of their early scenes - particularly in "7:15 AM" - have lots of flirting that suggests they may have been planned to hook up eventually. Season 4 lampshades this, with Hook getting jealous when August returns.
  • Ariel's debut episode does revolve around her interest in Eric, but she has only one scene with him. Far more screen time is devoted to her friendship with Snow - with whom she makes a strong emotional connection. She even chooses to help Snow rather than go after Eric.
  • Emma and Lily...good God! Their story plays very much like two runaway teenage lovers, and their last scene together is pretty much a break-up. If Lily had been a boy, the situation would immediately be interpreted as a love story. Naturally the Les Yay is played up even more in their further scenes.
  • Charming and Anna of all people. While the episode makes it clear they have a platonic friendship - he knows she's Kristoff's fiancee within their first scene together - the two have lots of chemistry and the scene after he's defeated Bo Peep has them getting quite physical with each other. This was before he met Snow, so he could have had a crush on her, but nothing comes of it.

These seem to fit the friendship part. Should I simply change the wick to Friendship Writing Fumble or rewrite them as the first one is very long and the others are short?

Edited by Bullman on Apr 27th 2022 at 2:48:01 PM

I'd definitely rewrite the first one to see if you can cut down the size of it.

How is this:

• Emma and Regina's interactions often come off more romantic than the simple friendship the creators intended it to be. Season 4 has one episode being devoted entirely to Emma attempting to rebuild her friendship with her. One scene shows the two have eaten lunch together enough that Emma knows Regina's dieting routine. Emma's devotion to Regina is also startlingly like that of a lover, especially in the Season 4 finale, where she sacrifices herself to save Regina. While the creators have claimed it was her saving the town, the Season 5 premiere has multiple characters, including Emma's actual love interest Hook, refer to it as her sacrificing herself for Regina. Some fans have also interpreted Regina's constant insulting of Hook as jealousy over his being with Emma. Both are also devoted mothers to Henry, so Emma and Regina's relationship to each other and Henry can play as Has Two Mommies.

From 247 words to 150.

That's an improvement.

@Twiddler "Platonically Not Percived"

I Like it, that should be the name.

Okay from American Horror Story: Coven:

• Relationship Writing Fumble: According to show creator Ryan Murphy and Cordelia's actress Sarah Paulson, Cordelia and Misty Day have a mother-daughter relationship. However, they are a popular ship within the fandom. Misty's quick hero-worship of Cordelia comes across more like a student who has a crush on her teacher. While Cordelia teaches Misty magic, she even tells her husband to get out so she can do so, making Misty stay when she tries to leave and acts like someone mad that their ex is interrupting their date. Cordelia also quickly grows attached to Misty and is crushed by her death, which haunts her for years, and which she takes harder than the death of her husband. When Misty is eventually revived in Apocalypse, Cordelia is overjoyed at seeing her again and says that despite knowing her for such a short time, she's missed her forever. The last we see of either is after Mallory brings Misty back, with the two embracing each other. Paulson and Lily Rabe also have a natural chemistry which makes the two come off a lot closer than they should be in the story.

I am the one who made this entry. But I am unsure if it still fits under the new trope. Like the two aren't really related but they are suppose to have a mother-daughter like relationship which just didn't come across that way to a lot of fans. Would that still fit as a friendship writing fumble?

If you aren't sure if something fits Friendship Writing Fumble, I don't see why it would be a problem if you left it under Relationship Writing Fumble, since the latter being a supertrope to the former means examples of the former are already all examples of the latter. The wick cleanup is simply because listing examples under subtropes takes priority over listing them under supertropes.

We already decided to call it Friendship Writing Fumble two years ago. This thread is only open so any wicks that fit the subtrope can be moved there.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 29th 2022 at 12:19:45 PM

OH. Okay. I will leave it then. Thanks.

Is the redefinition of Designated Love Interest to unintentionally platonic as opposed to contrived/rushed examples implemented/ready to begin cleanup yet?

Designated Love Interest's wick cleanup was finished two years ago. This thread is for completing the Trope Transplant between Relationship Writing Fumble and Friendship Writing Fumble.

Edit: I unhooked the crowner to help clear things up.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 2nd 2022 at 12:31:00 PM

On Relationship Writing Fumble, I moved Foe Yay Shipping, Incest Yay Shipping, No Yay, Fan-Preferred Couple, and Derailing Love Interests out of the "subtrope" list to a "see also" section.

No Yay because it includes intended squick reactions.

The shipping ones because they are not necessarily based on how a canon relationship is perceived. Also the definitions that were being listed for them were incorrect.

Derailing Love Interests because it's not YMMV.

Edited by Twiddler on May 16th 2022 at 4:39:04 AM

I added a link to Sandbox.Wick Cleaning Fumble to the pinned post since I made it to keep track of which namespaces have been cleaned.

I added a video to VideoExamples.Friendship Writing Fumble, just running it through here to ensure it counts (it's listed as an example on FriendshipWritingFumble.Anime And Manga).

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 5th 2022 at 2:32:43 PM

I think I just directly moved Relationship Writing Fumble's examples to Friendship Writing Fumble after moving the descriptions to Main/. Any examples that don't fit the latter might still need to be removed; I don't think the former needs on-page examples since it's a broad supertrope.

(Also, I completely forgot that I resurrected this thread on my birthday.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 5th 2022 at 2:38:09 PM

Is Friendship Writing Fumble meant to include familial relationships coming off as romantic?

Also looks good to me.

Edited by Twiddler on Jun 5th 2022 at 1:03:37 AM

The intention was to allow any platonic relationship. I guess we can file this under Tropes Are Flexible.

I'm pretty sure there were other crowner options that included the word "platonic" and permutations thereof instead of including the word "friendship", but they were downvoted. (But there's no way to check since the crowner seems to be gone.)