Hate Sink cleanup

to Hill, The Eliots, and the Vales.

Any more votes on James?

Hill, Eliot, and the Vales.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jun 29th 2019 at 2:14:38 AM

Here are the writeups for Hill and the Vales. Feel free to edit.

• Batman: The Telltale Series: The main antagonists - Lady Arkham, Penguin, and Two-Face - are all varying degrees of sympathetic. The same cannot be said for these particularly loathsome individuals:
  • Hamilton Hill is the corrupt mayor of Gotham City. Back in the day, Hill was in a partnership with Carmine Falcone and Thomas Wayne, and was complicit in having innocent citizens committed to Arkham Asylum in order to steal their land and riches. Among Hill and Wayne's victims were Esther Cobblepot, the mother of Oswald. In the present day, Harvey Dent, backed by Bruce Wayne, is running for mayor against Hill. Hill, teaming up with Oswald Cobblepot, gathers incriminating evidence against the Waynes to hurt Harvey's chances of mayorhood. When Bruce discovers Hill's partnership with Cobblepot, if he chooses to visit Hill as himself, Hill will try to convince Bruce to stop supporting Harvey in exchange for information, angrily throwing him out if he refuses. During a live debate with Harvey, Hill, under the influence of a drug by the Children of Arkham, reveals his desire to incinerate the city's poor. Under the mercy of Cobblepot, Hill pathetically begs for his life, before Cobblepot shoots him to death, avenging his mother.
  • John and Patricia Vale are the foster parents of Victoria Arkham, and one of the main catalysts for her descent to villainy. Taking Vicki in after her birth parents' deaths, the Vales would routinely abuse her and their other adopted children by chaining them up in their Torture Cellar and beating them with a belt. Years later, Vicki, now going by the alias of Lady Arkham, pays the Vales a visit, and brutally murders them in retribution for all the pain they put her through.

Edited by Connor2107 on Jun 29th 2019 at 7:59:08 AM

Yes to Elliot. Is Jeffershit the second candidate?

What's the work?

F.E.A.R. is a 1996 thriller where 16-year-old Nicole Walker falls for the local bad boy, and when she decides to break it off with him, he goes berserk.

Who is David McCall? What has he done?

David McCall, or as I like to (mc)call him, Luke Lerner all grown up. Without the intellect. He's the bad boy with what seems to be a heart of gold that Nicole falls head over heels for. But don't be fooled. At all. He runs a drug ring and hangs out with some pretty nasty people. His behaviors start off pretty mildly rebellious at first, like changing the time on Nicole's watch and later her dad's clock so they lose track of time and forget when her curfew is, but they escalate quickly. He sees her hugging her friend Gary when he comes to pick her up from school and jumps out of his car and beats him up, pushing her to the ground and elbowing her in the face in the process when he forces him off her.

Later, he tries to make it up to her, writing notes and sending flowers with a photo booth strip. She blows him off until he confronts her directly, and their relationships starts to get back on track, until she goes out to his house to see him one night, and gets a peep at him dragging her friend Margo away from her boyfriend to rape her (although she couldn't hear the conversation, so she didn't realize it was rape).

Still later, when Margo meets up with Nicole and flees, he threatens her believing that she told Nicole. He confronts Gary — who tried to protect Nicole from him — in the woods after school and snaps his neck. Nicole goes to the mall with her mom and brother, and David corners her in the bathroom and tries to rape her.

That night, after Nicole's father, Steve, trashes David's house, he and his boys go on out and try to murder her entire family, starting by killing and beheading the dog. They kill their security guard, and once they break in, ties up Steve and Nicole's stepmother Laura. But David wants her all to himself, so he shoots him. Then he tries to shoot her father in front of her and force her to say goodbye to him. Margo frees Steve, who then throws him out the window to his death.

What makes him personally despicable?

Aside from everything I just listed? Well, he does go out of his way to just be a plain Faux Affably Evil dick to Steve when he confronts him:

David McCall: You know, Steve, you're really not a f*ggot.
Steve Walker: ...What?
David McCall: No, I'm serious. You seem like a pretty solid guy; you should lighten up on yourself.
Steve Walker: We're not talkin' about me, we're talkin'...
David McCall: Yes we are. That's what this whole thing's about, Steve. Your inadequacies. Your fears.
Steve Walker: You just wait a minute...
David McCall: Listen to me. See, I'm hip to your problems. All of 'em. I know you abandoned Nicole when she needed you most... 'cause I licked her sweet tears. I know about things comin' apart at work. Maybe you fuckin' lost it in that department. I also know you ain't keepin' up, so to speak, your end of the bargain with the missus. 'Cause if you were she wouldn't be all over my stick. Relax, Steve. We're friends. We're practically family.

Then there's also his hypocrisy. He wants Nicole all to himself, sometimes it seems like she's all he thinks about. He even orders his boys not to harm her. But he's got no problem raping her best friend on the side. Speaking of his friends, he's totally willing to throw them under the bus once he meets Nicole.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

He acts like the part of a suave bad boy, and I'll admit a couple of his gang have a pretty cool aesthetic (being a long-haired dude with a leather jacket myself), but otherwise? Nah. He's a pure psychopath in the truest — and worst — sense of the word. What's also interesting is that he almost never gets in on any of the action himself during the home invasion, despite being, well, Mark Wahlberg. So really, I can't say that he's all that cool. Apparently, he does have quite the female fanbase (again, being Mark Wahlberg, though I personally think he's pretty average-looking at best), but being a Draco in Leather Pants isn't disqualifying. Regarding complexity, there are a couple times where he shuts down because Nicole doesn't want anything to do with him, which almost makes his remorse seem genuine, but it should be noted that it's all about how she makes him feel. As for his Freudian Excuse, he spent his childhood in orphanages, and everyone was scared of him there, to the point where the last one he was in just let him walk because they couldn't handle him. No mention of Abusive Parents or anything.

Verdict?

Yikes. Keeper.

Edited by Stellarvore on Jul 3rd 2019 at 11:13:17 AM

to David.

However, I have a concern about the Cross Ange entry regarding Zola. As written, it looks like this:

• Hate Sink: Zola Axberg is one of the captains for the First Allies but turns out to be a horrible Serial Rapist of the highest order. She first appears molesting Hilda by groping her, commenting that Ange will be her prey. Later in the episode, she attempts to rape Ange, slapping out her eyeball. Later in the story, several characters state that they were pretending to be in love with her so they can escape Arzenal. When one of the DRAGONs eats her, no one mourns for her.

As far as we know, Rosalie and Chris privately mourn her death and her relationship with Hilda is a bit more complex. Should we just remove it or keep it?

Would Light Yagami count? I really don't think he's meant to be rooted for and any Evil Is Cool moments are related to Draco in Leather Pants. He's very scummy, arrogant, and especially in the manga, has no redeeming qualities.

Light has lots of Evil is Cool moments; he obviously doesn’t count.

Edited by thok on Jun 29th 2019 at 4:12:06 AM

David.

Light doesn't count. There is a great deal of focus put on his intelligence and how he started out with good intentions, like when he saved a lady from a group of thugs.

It is a bit ambigious what the staff wants us to think of Light Yagami, especially in the anime where his death is portrayed as sympathetic and dignified.

I'd give Light an easy no. Demegawa and Higuchi would be the likely qualifiers from Death Note.

It's hard to tell with Light Yagami. Cut for now. If someone thinks he actually makes the cut, they'll effortpost him.

McCall, though.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 29th 2019 at 10:45:11 AM

Is there a proper write-up for Malty Melromarc from The Rising Of The Shield Hero?

I don't know. Contact Elfen.

Alright. Effortpost time:

What is the work?

Harry Potter is a youth fantasy series written by JK Rowling. It is about the eponymous Harry Potter, "The Boy Who Lived", who, as said moniker would indicate, is the sole survivor of an attack by Lord Voldemort.

In the third book, Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry believes that the man who betrayed his parents has escaped from Azkaban Prison, and is coming for him. However, it turns out that the escapee in question, Sirius Black, had trusted someone else with protecting the Potters, someone else who framed Sirius and faked his own death. Furthermore, it turns out that Sirius is looking to expose the real traitor, who has been hiding under Harry's Nose the whole time.

Who is Peter Pettigrew, and what has he done?

Peter "Wormtail" Pettigrew was once friends with Harry's father James, as well as Remus Lupin, and Sirius Black. Sensing that Lord Voldemort was after them, the Potters went into hiding, and in an attempt at misdirection towards Voldemort by Sirius, Peter was entrusted as the Potters' secret keeper. However, Pettigrew ends up caving at the first sign of hostility from Voldemort, and becomes the latter's mole, no pun intended. After framing Sirius as the traitor, and faking his own death, cutting off his own finger in the process:

• Pettigrew takes the form of a rat, Scabbers, and hides with the Weasley family, the latter oblivious to the unregistered animagus in their home due to Pettigrew playing the part so well.
• When confronted by his former friends, expresses more concern for his own worthless hide than the safety of the Potters.
• Escapes and rejoins Voldemort, assisting the latter by interrogating Bertha Jorkins, freeing Barty Crouch Jr., putting Barty Crouch Sr. under an imperius curse, and killing Frank Bryce when the latter overhears him and Voldemort talking.
• Gives Voldemort a new body, maiming Harry and killing Cedric Diggory in the process.
• Continues to serve Lord Voldemort.

What makes him personally despicable?

He is a coward who cares more about himself than the safety of his friends. He also does horrible things out of cowardice such as torture and murder.

Evil Is Cool traits? Freudian Excuse? Complexity?

Evil Is Cool traits? FEH! Complexity? FEH! Freudian Excuse? Well, he was not popular in school, but otherwise, FEH!

Pettigrew is a worthless lump of shit who only gives a fuck about himself.

Verdict?

Easy Keeper.

Sorry for being inactive due to laziness, I'll get into that soon enough. But first need to think on how the writeup should be like.

In the meantime, yes to the candidates I missed.

Let's see the Hate Sink I proposed: Yuuto, Malty, Konrad, La Tremoille, The Unknown Man, Tomoo...Anything else?

Also, before that...I might have one example of Hate Sink that I want to propose from my favorite films of all time. Not sure if he could qualify though

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jun 30th 2019 at 9:33:29 PM

to David and Peter.

The character page for John Wick has three characters with Hate Sink attached; I don't believe any of them have been run through this page. I'm pretty sure that one is a valid example (Iosef Tarasov, aka the person who shot John Wick's dog), one fails the Evil is Cool test (Ms. Perkins, who is despicable but also has a cool one on one fight with Wick), and one is from John Wick 2 (Santino D'Antonio) who might count, but I don't know enough about that film to do a proper effort post.

I think you're missing the details regarding to his death, which would be useful to clarify a few things since Dumbledore did indicated in The Prisoner of Azkaban that Peter would repay Harry Potter through a life debt. If people hadn't read The Deathly Hallows, they would assume that Peter would be given a Redemption Equals Death arc.

Damn, I forgot all about that.

Well, just to clarify, in the final book, when Pettigrew tries to kill Harry, Harry reminds Pettigrew that the latter owes his life to Harry. Pettigrew hesitates for a few seconds, seconds his magical metal hand interprets as disloyalty or weakness, and before he can overcome said hesitation, his own hand strangles him. His death does not make him any less of a prat.

In the movie, Dobby seemingly whacks him. Again, his death does not make him any less of a slimeball.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 30th 2019 at 4:57:57 AM

What's the work?

Warrior Cats is a Long Runner children's book series going back since 2003. Despite being targeted at kids there's mature themes such as Abusive Parents, Patricide, one night stands. And it's very bloody. Like Watership Down bloody. It was made by an American author who is really a conglomerate of three female authors. The story stars "kittypet" (a domesticated cat) turned Warrior Firestar and his descendants as they travel on adventures, uncover murders, and run their tribes of cats called Clans. It's actually a series that I grew up with and thus have a lot of knowledge of. But today we're talking about Ruby and Socks. Two stuck-up kittens who bully Scourge all his life, and thus are the cause of his tyrannical reign.

Who are Socks and Ruby? And what makes them personally detestable?

These two are Scourge's (formerly known as Tiny for his size) older brother and sister. They don't seem too bad as far as bullies go until they tell Scourge that unwanted kittens get drowned. Their cruel taunting was the reason Scourge is the way he is today. And for bullies they are pretty brutal. When Scourge gets savagely beaten up and nearly killed by Tigerstar (then Tigerpaw) they laugh at him and claim it was his own fault for leaving the nest. It's only natural when Scourge inevitably changes that he doesn't allow his siblings into BloodClan as their owners abandon them. Despite what you may think of Scourge, his siblings (two of them, as his half brother Firestar is unambiguously a good guy) deserve no sympathy.

Any Evil is Cool Traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

None. They have zero redeeming qualities, and don't even love their brother and yet they expect to be forgiven by him like the cowards they are. And they show no love or empathy for Scourge and think he'd be better off dead.

Verdict

I'll let you decide.

Socks and Ruby. Anyone else care to vote on Wormtail? Shadao, what say you?

I'll give a Yeah to Wormtail and Peter Pettigrew. I hated those two in the movies and they apparently even worse in the books.

Regarding to Wormtail, his undignified death and the whole life debt he owes to Harry Potter being a Red Herring (one that he immediately tries to break when he realizes that his Silver Hand is about to kill him) points to me that JK Rowling intended him to be a pathetic figure not even being capable of redeeming himself. So to him.

Wormtail is Peter Pettigrew.

And with that, here's my write-up.

• Harry Potter: Peter Pettigrew, otherwise known as Wormtail, is a former classmate of James "Prongs" Potter, Sirius "Padfoot" Black, and Remus "Moony" Lupin, having betrayed the Potter family to Lord Voldemort when the latter threatened his life. Initially believed to be dead at Black's hands, Wormtail had, in reality, framed Black as Voldemort's informant before faking his own death, killing innocent people and cutting off his own finger in the process before taking the form of a rat, Scabbers, owned by the Weasley family. When Confronted by Lupin and Black, Wormtail blames Voldemort's threats for his treachery, before begging for underserved mercy. Escaping from the encounter, Wormtail assists Voldemort in various tasks out of his own self interest, such as interrogating Bertha Jorkins, freeing Barty Crouch Jr., putting Barty Crouch Sr. under an imperius curse, and killing Frank Bryce when the latter overhears him and Voldemort talking. Wormtail eventually creates Voldemort's new body, maiming Harry Potter, and killing Cedric Diggory in the process. A disgusting, selfish, sniveling coward, Wormtail makes his mark on the series as a traitor.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 1st 2019 at 9:24:05 AM

Socks and Ruby.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jun 30th 2019 at 9:35:48 PM