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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#701: Aug 15th 2023 at 12:08:16 AM

[up][up] Due to the Dead is a narrative trope, I believe Big Damn Heroes is as well but I'm less sure of that.

[up] I think it was agreed that all death tropes (minus They Killed Kenny Again) are narrative tropes, so it should be removed again (and I'd double check it wasn't removed form he recap page as well).

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#702: Aug 24th 2023 at 1:20:10 PM

Bringing this up again, since when it was first discussed there were conflicting answers, but what about Costume Evolution? Would that fall under character pages or the work page?

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#704: Aug 24th 2023 at 10:43:38 PM

Are attacks (ex. Sword Beam and Attack Its Weak Point) character tropes since I see them sometimes in character folders.

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#705: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:39:55 PM

I guess if it's a consistent part of a character's combat repertoire

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#706: Aug 27th 2023 at 12:16:25 AM

[up] So, for example, a character has an attack that involves them shooting a Sword Beam is a character trope (especially if the character is from a video game)?

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#707: Aug 27th 2023 at 1:08:11 AM

So, on the wider Death Tropes topic...

Killed Off for Real and We Hardly Knew Ye are typically only relevant to a character once, but in a pretty significant way.

As they're things that happen to a character, not things about who they are, do we still count them as character sheet tropes?

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 27th 2023 at 9:08:47 AM

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#708: Aug 27th 2023 at 5:00:48 PM

Someone re-added this trope I removed from the Guardians of the Galaxy character page

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#709: Aug 28th 2023 at 4:51:39 PM

Are “X but Y” (like Simple, yet Awesome) tropes character tropes?

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#710: Aug 28th 2023 at 5:12:27 PM

Almost always no.

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#711: Aug 30th 2023 at 2:53:56 PM

Mrph 1: Killed Off for Real, probably.

I question how a character for whom We Hardly Knew Ye applies is important enough for their own section. If we barely knew them, how many tropes can they have?

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#712: Aug 30th 2023 at 2:58:11 PM

I'm sure they may reappear in flashbacks or something, but yeah for the most part they wouldn't have enough to warrant a section.

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#713: Sep 1st 2023 at 1:59:25 AM

Popping in again for Comically Missing the Point and Meaningful Look and its subtropes.

CMtP, I imagine, is one of those that can fall into either, depending on how often a character does it.

I imagine the answer for Meaningful Look will also apply to most of its subtropes. I think Death Glare is an either/or depending on frequency, but I'm particularly interested in Held Gaze, Longing Look, and Long Last Look.

ETA: Also, would Abusive Parents be moved to the parent(s) folder(s) if they have one, or does it stay on the child's folder?

Edited by Hello83433 on Sep 4th 2023 at 12:16:23 PM

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#714: Sep 4th 2023 at 4:10:13 PM

[up][up]A character only needs a couple tropes to qualify for a section, so it's entirely possible.

[up]Meaningful Look (and subtropes) are almost never going to be character tropes. Death Glare can at least be a recurring thing.

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#715: Sep 5th 2023 at 3:58:18 PM

Should Adaptation Tropes relating to a specific character be sent to the character page? Adaptational Name Change specifically in this case.

From Valor (being cleaned up so it's about the actual work of that name instead of a cross between it and the character in general). Would this be under Legion of Super-Heroes: Silver Age or Legion of Super-Heroes (2020)?

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#716: Sep 6th 2023 at 8:10:46 PM

Can DLC be character tropes? Because browsing Characters.Trails Series, it seems to be a recurring thing, mostly in regards to character costumes.

[down] Alright, I'll remove any example of that on character pages if they are listed as a trope.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Sep 7th 2023 at 12:00:19 AM

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#718: Sep 8th 2023 at 9:31:14 PM

On the "Barbaric Bully" page it states that the trope is "on it's way to being discredited". It also mentions that the trope is still truth in television in the UK because of Values dissonance. What does that mean when it said value dissonance makes this an omniscient trope in the UK? Does this apply to any other countries too. If so please list them.

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#719: Sep 24th 2023 at 3:45:45 AM

Should Awful Truth entries be on character pages or work pages?

The entry triggering my question is this, which is on the Big Bad's character page, but is entirely about how the heroes responded to a secret the Big Good was keeping. While it's about the in-universe belief that Salem is an Invincible Villain because of her immortality, the trope Invincible Villain is already listed on her character sheet as an in-universe example. It doesn't seem correct to place it under the Big Bad, so I'm trying to decide whether it belongs under the Big Good or on the work's main page.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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#720: Sep 24th 2023 at 1:26:25 PM

That belongs on the work page.

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#721: Sep 24th 2023 at 9:44:50 PM

Should Too Dumb to Live be on character pages?


EDIT:[up][up]I don't feel that's a character trope so I agree with[up].

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Sep 24th 2023 at 9:45:57 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#722: Sep 26th 2023 at 5:03:32 PM

Does "The Reason You Suck" Speech belong on the character pages or the work pages? A troper has moved one example from one RWBY character sheet for being a story trope, but hasn't moved any other examples from any of the other character pages (there are many). I'm therefore not sure whether to move the other examples off the character pages or put the single moved example back on the character page it came from.

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#723: Sep 26th 2023 at 7:50:43 PM

Given how often it gets shoehorned onto the recipient's page, I feel we should just put that one on work pages and get it over with.

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#724: Sep 26th 2023 at 7:52:59 PM

I agree it should default to work pages.

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#725: Sep 27th 2023 at 11:44:24 AM

In the past, I also moved a bunch of "dialogue" tropes such as "The Reason You Suck" Speech into the main work pages from the character pages after discussing it with other tropers in this thread.

It's one of those dialogue tropes that require at least two people (sender and receiver) anyway.

However, the How to Create a Character Page was updated on October 2022 to include "The exception is when an action is a recurring character trait; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such."... so maybe, it could only be justifiable adding it to a character's page if they happen to constantly give out "The Reason You Suck" Speech to many people they meet?

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