Misused (alt titles crowner 7/7/2019): In The Blood

What was the winning item? The crowner is borked now.

Viillainous Lineage.

Will be best to start up sandboxes. I'll put in courtesy links:

• Sandbox.In The Blood
• Sandbox.Villainous Lineage

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 2nd 2020 at 9:55:53 AM

Oh thanks. I will start the Villainous Lineage sandbox when I have time.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 2nd 2020 at 11:04:32 AM

So I did the draft of Sandbox.Villainous Lineage. all I did was dump 3-4 paragraphs from In the Blood and did some minor tweaking.

EDIT:Started Sandbox.In The Blood the same way. I just added the first paragraph.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 3rd 2020 at 2:36:05 PM

Any ideas to improves the descriptions on either sandbox?

Sandbox.In The Blood could use an opening statement establishing what the trope is exactly (it's just about any trait being passed on?).

I'd also add to the end: "Compare Strong Family Resemblance, where a character physically resembles their relative, and Family Eye Resemblance, a sublter way of hinting at the inheritance using eyes."

For Sandbox.Villainous Lineage, I made some minor changes to the beginning and end. I also think what is now the 3rd and 4th paragraphs could be combined and shortened.

I added "In fiction, characters not only inherit their parents' physical traits and genetics, but they also inherit their personality traits, behaviors and moralities." As the opening. I will put in the other suggestions too.

How do they look now?

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 6th 2020 at 12:59:16 PM

Also do I need to run Villainous Lineage to the TLP or is it ok for a mod to move the sandbox over once I am done move and sort the examples for both pages? I have seen the latter be done in a few TRS threads before.

Villainous Lineage is the new name for the trope currently located at In the Blood, rather than being a new trope, since the consensus was to do a trope transplant due to In the Blood being used more broadly than the actual definition. The name In the Blood is to be reused for a new supertrope after the move; not sure if the supertrope needs TLP or if a sandbox can be used instead.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2020 at 11:02:06 AM

Oh I made Sandbox.Villainous Lineage for the new trope and Sandbox.In The Blood for the supertrope. No example on either because I haven't sorted them yet

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 7th 2020 at 12:08:36 PM

You might want to double-check for and remove any "title drop" potholes from the phrase "in the blood" in the sandboxes.

Noted.

I moved the example list to Sandbox.In The Blood and I am now sorting through the examples. Quite a few of them had natter issues or had information that's not fully incorporated in cohesive fashion.

Like this:

• The Uchiha Clan from Naruto is the embodiment of this trope with the clan founder, Madara, even saying that revenge is the destiny of each and every Uchiha.
  • However, there are a few subversions: first off, Itachi. He is easily one of the strongest Uchiha and possesses many typical Uchiha traits but, by all appearances, he is avoiding going too far overboard in the pursuit of his revenge, and seems indifferent to the idea of revenge. Instead, Itachi's primary motivation appears to be a weighted utilitarianism, trying to preserve the greatest possible amount of what he values, with slight adjustments made for innocence, as opposed to revenge.
  • Recently, it was revealed that Shisui was also a subversion. This is revealed through flashbacks, where he tries to prevent the coup from occurring, but Danzo being paranoid gets in the way.
  • And now that Real Madara has appeared in zombie form, he seems to be a fairly equal-opportunity asshole who cares more about himself than in getting revenge for anything.
  • Kakashi's long thought dead friend Obito was a subversion. Now he's an example that is horrifically played straight.
  • Chapter 619 reveals that the Uchiha Clan's tendencies of nihilism and self-destructive behavior are literally In The Blood. According to the revived Second Hokage, Uchiha experience love, friendship, and attachment more than any other clan, and are thus affected worse than anyone else at losing someone they care for. The Sharingan and its advanced forms are triggered by a change in brain chemistry caused by these negative emotions... a change that also triggers a shift in thought patterns that more often than not leads the Uchiha in question to nihilism, anguished rage, and madness. The entire Uchiha Clan is cursed by their core genetics to become monsters if they lose someone they love. And given the profession nearly all of them go into, losing a loved one is a near-certainty.

How do I fix this?

Bumping for

Hopefully I will get a response this time...

Ok so I so I believed I sorted everything that belongs on Sandbox.Villainous Lineage from Sandbox.In The Blood.

Can someone double check?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 4th 2020 at 12:19:19 PM

I think the Villainous Lineage sandbox looks fine, but the In the Blood sandbox still has natter and other indentation issues.

Also, I fixed a few typos; the former was missing a few first-level bullet points, and the latter had a stray line break.

Thanks.

Yeah that page a lot of natter. Wasnt able to get to all of it yet

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 4th 2020 at 4:21:35 AM

How do I indent this? I don't know what to put this all under.

• Orion, son of Darkseid. Orion's a good guy, but he inherited Darkseid's inherent rage and bloodlust, and requires a Mother Box to keep his temper in check. However, he was also raised well by the Highfather and aided by his friends to channel that rage become a hero in defense of his adopted home.
  • In the DC Elseworld Kingdom Come, Orion has deposed Darkseid and taken over Apokolips. Apparently, he tried to institute a democracy and positive change, but the people just elected him dictator and didn't participate in changing anything, so he's ruling hell and says that "all men eventually become their fathers." He seems resigned to being Darkseid. Only without the universe-conquering ambitions, so that's something.
  • Scott Free, Mr. Miracle the escape artist superhero, is the son that the High Father who raised Orion traded to Darkseid in exchange. He was raised with the other children of Apokolips under Granny Goodness, but he and his Apokoliptan girlfriend, Big Barda, broke out. It's hard to say how much of a factor his New God blood was, but that he developed a coherent sense of morality under Granny's regime probably has to be attributed there.
  • Scott and Barda are working among the groundlings, trying to raise awareness and instill morality in Kingdom Come. Superman gets them to come build a superpower-proof gulag in the nuked remains of what used to be Kansas. In a nod to Orion, Scott now resembles a younger version of his birth father, only while Orion wears a white version of Darkseid's clothing, Scott dresses as High Father but in black.

I think these examples are too independent from each other to be under the same bullets.

How do I fix this? I can't believe In the Blood has this many problems with natter and example indentation.

• There are several examples of this in The Mortal Instruments. Jace thinks he is evil because he is the son of Valentine, and because he believes that Valentine has been experimenting with demon blood on him and that it is corrupting him into evil. But Clary realizes early on in the plot that Jace is not half as bad as he thinks he is, even though he sometimes behaves like a jerk.

  • As it later turns out that he is not the son of Valentine, and was not even made by him partially demonic, his attitude changes. He is still the son of fanatical demon hunters.

  • Clary Fairchild is actually the daughter of Valentine. But she also inverts it, because she is not evil at all.
  • But it's playing straight with her brother Jonathan Morgenstern. He is a cruel and sadistic person. The reason for this is not that he is the son of Valentine, but that he was partly a demon due to the experiments with demon blood, and thus was corrupted into evil. Valentine hoped to create a stronger kind of nephilim, but he was horrified by his demonic leanings.
  • There has been a long history of racist reservations about warlocks who are born between demons and humans. Demons are always evil, but warlocks are not very different in their morale from humans.
  • Fairies are also considered evil. They are the descendants of angels and demons, and they are said to be as beautiful as angels, but as evil as demons. However, the books also show many benign (or at least neutral) fairies, and even the most vicious fairies are not as evil as demons.
  • Mark and Helen Blackthorn from The Dark Artifices are two half-fairies and they will be cast out of the community because the shadowhunters believe that the fairy-blood in them will lead them to evil and they will betray the nephilim. But actually it is nothing more than a racist reservation.

A couple of bullets don't explain enough what makes them the trope. And that third-level bullet can be pushed right behind the parent bullet and the paragraph started after "Mortal Instruments". I would suggest cutting the natter/unclear examples.

Edit: many edits

Edited by Tabs on Jul 29th 2020 at 8:30:48 AM

I went over In The Blood again. I removed natter and commented out some badly written examples. Hopefully I didn't miss anything this time.

Bumping

This example is pretty problematic.

• YuYu Hakusho:
  • Yusuke has distant demon ancestry. Though it's not dwelt on much, partly because by the point in the series it comes up things have gotten to be semi-pure action, far far away from the series' roots as a chronicle of the reflective character-building experiences a delinquent can have while a ghost, probably because Togashi had gone mad with power by this point, a while after our hero has come back from the dead as a demon because of Mazoku ancestry, he has become relatively okay with the less uncivilized gradations of human-eating, and when Raizen is about to die due to self-imposed starvation offers insistently to go find him someone to eat right away. Earlier in the series he got incredibly angry about any cannibalistic tendencies, and drew huge lines between 'killing demons,' which he had done a good deal of, and 'killing humans,' which he really really did not want to have to do. Could just be an implicit redrawing of the Fantastic Racism lines, with demons no longer suffering from What Measure Is a Non-Human? because he wasn't human. So it might just be a really strange form of a perfectly reasonable Aesop, and/or Reverse Getting Crap Past the Radar due to not treating it like it's important. Intended to cause Fridge Logic, probably. Altogether weird.
  • Hiei, on the other hand, turns out to be the victim of the idea of this in his back story: being male shows he has outcross blood, which among the Ice Maidens means (precedents apparently show) that if they keep him around he will grow up to kill everyone. So they throw him over the side of their Floating City, the woman doing the throwing whispering that she expects him to come back and please kill her first. They may or may not have been correct: yes, he is a psychopath from childhood, and actually mellows out the more grown-up he gets, and yes, judging by his facial expressions he was one evil baby, but that could be a combination of Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (though come to think of it, it doesn't), the trauma, and the fact that all babies are extremely selfish little creatures and if they were, like Hiei, sapient they probably would be kind of evil. He understood everything. (The 'source of evil' here is either 'every race except our own' or 'the male sex,' or both, because they don't have males. They clone themselves every hundred years.)

I didn't know how to trim the word cruft off of them, maybe icould remove them for now or something?

Park them on the discussion page with instructions to not restore them until they are shortened, is what I would do.