"Moments" cleanup and maintenance (Awesome, Funny, Heartwarming, Shocking, Tear Jerker)

All those links go to the same page for me.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 16th 2021 at 12:07:04 PM

Same with me. The second one is that Viva Piñata webcomic, the others I think can be easily found by their topics or titles.

Edited by BigJimbo on Sep 16th 2021 at 9:16:29 AM

Unfortunately, it seems they cannot be "easily" found that way.

I attempted a lookup on one of the comics linked in the examples posted.

• The navigation on the VGCats official website is in a very broken state. A lot of the links on the site go to incorrect comics, or redirect back to the most recent comic. I could not find the comic I was looking for on that website because of this issue.
• VGCats comics appearing on social media and websites other than the above are, in fact, embedded image links to the official website. Which means that they, too, link to incorrect comics, or else show broken image frames.
• I found pirated copies of the correct VGCats comics on image-hosting sites. Many of which are paywalled, or require that you create an account in order to read the comic unhindered.

I wrote that Jetsons entry; but I was actually shocked and not trying to be edgy. I find it embarrassing when people say things like that and I hope I'm not a big baby.

I don't find it edgy personally, I just think it's not all that shocking since the target audience- people who grew up with the show- probably didn't find it shocking.

Admittedly, when it comes to older works it's hard to know what the standard is.

I'm sorry if my wording made you feel that way, I'll try to be a bit more lenient when analyzing entries.

The following entries are from Pixar:

Real Life (That's right, Pixar has brought its powers of heartwarming into real life.)

• Cancer-stricken girl holds on long enough to see ''Up'', then dies seven hours later.
  • Pixar sent an employee over with a copy of the film to watch with her, but did not credit them so as not to make it look like a publicity stunt.
• It Gets Better - Love, Pixar
  • Now with an added message from a certain cowboy doll.
• Pixar employees put together a fund to help an animator whose apartment was burglarized.
• John Lasseter catching wind of the studio's declining critical popularity and postponing the Troubled Production The Good Dinosaur so that they wouldn't continue their streak of less-than-stellar films, despite the films still making decent money. It really shows just how much he and the studio care about their audience.
• Andrew Stanton changing his mind about using French cabarett music in WALL•E because he didn't want to seem like a sore winner for beating The Triplets of Belleville for "Best Animated Feature."

I'm pretty sure these are all meta moments, right?

Yep, cut them.

Thanks, they're gone.

So this was just recently added to a Simpsons recap.

This seems like your typical "The actor just died." I don't know if you could make a case it's because this was a future episode and the person didn't actually make it to the specified year, so I wanted to check if there might be any objection, of should just be deleted.

You'll need the Hindsight cleanup thread for that one.

Funny.Zombie Land Saga has a large section headed as "Meta". However most of them are to do with tie-in events by the cast and the company that are just as fictional, just not aired with the show itself. I believe most of them can stay, but they need a better heading. "In Promotional Material", perhaps?

That could work.

TearJerker.Loreena Mc Kennitt needs a look. We have ZCE's, and I swear there's a general example or something close to it.

I did some cleanup. Commented out several lines, including one that was trying to be a Harsher in Hindsight entry.

Some of those entries almost come across as gushing. The third bullet point especially. I'm also wondering if the last bullet point is bordering a little bit on Fridge, at least in the way it's currently written.

The fourth bullet point is a generalisation about multiple songs, which I think means it's probably not an example as written. The fifth bullet point is also a red flag with it's "Anyone who is an animal lover will surely tear up..." assumption about others. Moments shouldn't be written from the opinion that someone, somewhere, must surely be reacting in the specific way that is relevant to the Moment in question. If they're writing about their reaction, or about someone else's reaction that they know happened, that's one thing — but as written, it's coming across as a hypothetical.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 25th 2021 at 2:07:38 PM

What, didn't you know? The Tear Jerker pages are the litmus test for having human compassion. If you didn't weep when Ganondorf said "AAARRGGHHH" in Smash Bros (yes, that's a real entry), you may have no soul.

The Sesame Street Heartwarming page has a weird, almost fetishistic entry about guest star Buffy St Marie nursing her baby. It seems the baby needed to be fed while she was on set, so they decided to make a brief segment about her explaining the basic idea to Big Bird. The entry acts like it's some groundbreaking idea to teach kids about nursing, even though every kid watching the show has been breastfed in the last 5 years and most probably have younger siblings going through the same thing. It also mentions that it's good that Big Bird realizes it's "natural", seemingly a slam against women who can't lactate and are forced to use artificial means.

And there's a big deal about it airing in 1977 (because we all know women only grew breasts in the last 10 years or so) Yes, in 1977 it was illegal to feed your baby. Women had to just turn a blind eye and let their children starve or visit underground milk speakeasies.

And, not to belabor the point, but Buffy's son is a real person, y'know? He's alive today. Gushing (if you'll pardon the term) about the time his mom nursed him on TV 45 years ago just feels creepy. Nursing isn't heartwarming. It's the bare minimum for being a mom. Like bathing and changing diapers, but of course we have to make a big deal about this because it involves boobs.

Edited by easytorememberhandle on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:17:55 AM

Yeesh. That’s a whole bunch of red flags.

Okay, let's look at the context:

• Buffy teaching Big Bird about breastfeeding, in a kids show no less. How Big Bird is so quick to see it as normal is something truly both awesome and heartwarming. Keep in mind, this was also in 1977.

Yes, it's true that most kids know breastfeeding is a thing. But thanks to weird double standards where boobs are sexualized even when used for their intended nonsexual purpose, public breastfeeding is still taboo even in the 21st century, and in some places people still get in trouble for doing it. I mean, the fact you took the entry, which has no signs of lewdness anywhere, to mean "somebody must be fetishizing breastfeeding" and not "breastfeeding is normalized on television as a nonsexual and appropriate action that shouldn't get mothers in trouble" is kind of self-demonstrating of the point.

That's presumably what the entry means by "How Big Bird is so quick to see it as normal is something truly both awesome and heartwarming" (not "natural," that's a misquote, and also... not wrong, because lactation is a natural thing, the fact that some people don't do it doesn't debunk that fact). You know just because something happens in real life doesn't mean Moral Guardians will allow it on kids' television, right?

That said, the entry is a ZCE relying on a weblink and doesn't explain why it's heartwarming very well. It could stand to be rewritten.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 25th 2021 at 12:22:57 PM

We can rewrite it . . . but I don’t know how to focus on the actual scene instead of the meta aspect.

Good point. I've seen some bizarre things sexualized on this site in the past and it looks like I jumped the gun.

I didn't know nursing was so controversial. Maybe standards are different in the States? Where I come from women just toss a blanket over themselves in the middle of a restaurant or theatre and nobody bats an eye.

Yeah, America's strange when it comes to things like this. We're opposite in some ways from a lot of the world, in that for our media violence is totally cool, but anything even vaguely sexual is stigmatized, and that carries over into real-life too. There's been a push to make public nursing more acceptable, but it's not easy.

If nothing else, this could be a decent Values Resonance entry.

The UK and US are outliers compared to the rest of the world (even many developed nations) in how stigmatised breastfeeding is, especially public breastfeeding. So, I agree that the entry doesn't look problematic in concept, but it could stand to have a better description.

I'm not familiar with the scene in question, so I can't offer any suggestions. I do, however, agree with the Values Resonance idea.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 26th 2021 at 10:24:49 AM

Survivor has an entire folder dedicated to "Moments off of the show", filled to the brim with real-life examples about the (former) contestants (i.e. two characters who previously had Romance on the Set breaking up, substance issues not seen in the show, deaths of ex-contestants in general, and even "For those who don't hate Richard Hatch, his financial issues after the show could be considered this").