Nightmare Fuel cleanup and maintenance

That seems nice.

I just noticed the quotes about the bodies' states are from the other wiki. That breaks our plagarism rules, so I have to rewatch the movie, see what descriptions it uses

This entry on An Inconvenient Truth:

• Nightmare Fuel: Some of the implications of global warming discussed in the film are legitimately frightening. The time lapse of worldwide flooding destroying coastal cities? The graph showing how much CO₂ below the line equalled "a mile of ice over our heads", and then how much above the line we are now, and the projected level getting higher and higher until it was over twice as high as the ice age level was low? The calm, simplistic way in which this is all presented makes it even more chilling than if they had made a high-budget dramatization and played melodramatic music.

Does this count as a real life example or is it fair within the confines of this as a documentary?

That one might be fine because it discusses the music and stuff.

Agreed. I believe it's a keeper.

Sounds like it falls under the Real Life Troping "artistic elements" exception for non-fiction, as it's all about how it's presented. So, as said, should be good to keep.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:26:12 PM

This is a sub-bullet from NightmareFuel.Arthur:

• Hell, Francine in this episode alone can sound rather fierce when she's angry. For instance, "If an incandescent lamp had air holes, it wouldn't work. DON'T YOU (The Brain) KNOW ANYTHING?!" and of course, "If you (Arthur) don't do it right, i'll UN-INVENT YOU AND YOU WON'T BE IN MY PLAY AT ALL!!!!!".

Threatening to kick someone out of a play doesn't sound scary enough.

Square Root of Minus Garfield has a massive problem with examples giving no context. i don't know what examples actually count, since this is a website that posts garfield edits daily.

edit: i drafted some rewrites for some, but not all of the examples. i feel like my style of describing the freaky stuff may be boring at the moment, but i hope it isn't.

Edited by akumeakumeakume on Nov 25th 2023 at 8:50:57 AM

Your rewrites look good.

thank you. so describing the freaky stuff is good?

i'm thinking, there are examples that claim themselves to be nightmare retardant. we remove those, right? i have some second thoughts about the comic where jon cries over garfield's corpse too. i feel like second opinions would be helpful on this.

edit: i would also like to discuss the possibility of entries like "ANTS HAVE EATEN THE FABRIC OF REALITY" being too silly to be taken seriously, as well as entries like "for want of a grip" possibly being too mild or "regular" in the comic's standards(?). my view on what is nightmare fuel is biased based off of the general mood the pages give me, though. i am willing to hear other views on this.

Edited by akumeakumeakume on Nov 26th 2023 at 7:56:42 AM

From NightmareFuel.Death Battle:

• Goku vs Superman 3: Both fighters are incredibly cavalier about collateral damage. Superman accidentally blows up the moon while Goku's Ultra Instinct Kaioken Kamehameha shatters the Earth. The final blow destroys the universe, which neither side seems to care about. Goku does mention that they can just wish things fixed with the Dragon Balls, but both godlike heroes destroyed a universe over a friendly spar.

Planets and universes being destroyed is commonplace in this show when really powerful fighters are involved; it's almost always portrayed as cool rather than scary (in this episode, the moon being blown up is Played for Laughs with Superman getting a Sweat Drop and Goku going "Oops!"). The fact that it's explicitly mentioned that they can undo it should only make the scariness of the example even weaker. The whole episode has a very positive vibe and I can't imagine anyone being scared by it.

The "Game consoles" folder in NightmareFuel.Video Games has examples related to game discs that urge the user to eject them from normal CD players, lest their speakers become damaged when they attempt to play game data. Fair enough. They can be quite alarming. Problem is, there's unnecessary natter concerning how harmless game discs are on more modern, sophisticated hardware.

• Have you ever been curious enough as to put a Sega CD disc into a CD player? If so, you'll probably remember the experience of hearing a female voice telling you to press pause and to eject the disc, as it contains CD-ROM data which can damage the speaker system. All of this sounds creepy enough already, but to make matters worse, SEGA decided it would be an even better idea to have an extremely loud, distorted guitar riff that sounds like it's playing from the utter depths of hell. Of course, if you skip past the data track, you'll most likely find the game's soundtrack on there; since most Sega CD games used red book CD audio for BGM. If your CD player is relatively modern, though, it will intelligently realize that it's reading a data track and gracefully skip to the next track.

• The voice returns for Sega Saturn CDs, this time swapping out the demonic guitar screams for an even more unsettling Creepy Monotone and a questionable British accent. Except that some games would have specially recorded versions by a prominent character, which could range from Nightmare Retardant to The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You, making it even more tempting. Even worse is, like the Sega CD example above, some games do come with red book CD audio containing the game's BGM. However, by this time, most modern CD players do perform a sanity check on the read data and will gracefully skip the track if it recognizes the track as containing data (ie an ISO9660 file table) from the first few bytes read, making this a blatant lie.

• The voice returns for the Dreamcast discs, which is identical to what they did for Sega Saturn CDs. However, in reality, the damage done to a Player would be minimal to none since almost all CD players won't be able to actually read the data track (unless you're using one of those very old CD players that will practically try to play anything with a shiny reflective surface), which is burned at a different wavelength at a different focus point with a much finer groove (think DVDs). Sega could've just chose to not even bother because as far as the CD players are concerned, the disc can't be read at all. Instead they included a red book session on the disc to be helpful or as an Easter egg.

Edited by Riolugirl on Dec 6th 2023 at 11:19:31 AM

I think it would be good to get rid of the stuff about how new CD players will skip data tracks, and instead mention the loud jarring static and high pitched noises that play if you select track one.

After sleeping on it, I realised I have something to contribute to the Dreamcast example!

Dreamcast game discs actually have unique warnings not just for different games, but for different regions, too — I'm aware that variants for North America, Japan and Europe exist. While the vanilla North American and vanilla Japanese warnings are comparatively tame, the European warning is in multiple languages (English, French, German, European Spanish and Italian) and — of interest to Nightmare Fuel — has an unsettling reverb delay effect. It certainly freaked me out when I first learned about it. I'm also assuming that Europe has no game-based variants because it would be impractical to record foreign language dubs for each game, but that's not worth mentioning until I can find solid evidence of this.

With that in mind, I'll cut the skipping natter and add the Dreamcast regional variants point — that example desperately needs it, since the natter takes up the majority of the text. I'll also cite this thread in the edit reason.

Cool avatar, by the way!

Edited by Riolugirl on Dec 7th 2023 at 9:38:05 AM

Ive been looking over at the Godzilla Minus One page. Its got a lot of stuff on it, but I don't think even half of it is proper examples

For starters I've got the trailer section, since i don't think we need that for a movie that's already out

The trailers

• The trailers alone provide plenty of reason to be terrified of this incarnation of Godzilla and his Unstoppable Rage. What makes this one different? He wants to kill humans. And not incidentally killing humans; he's targeting humans specifically.
  • As countless civilians in a street in Tokyo desperately try to run away from the monster, Godzilla simply turns around, his sweeping tail plowing through a row of buildings and the resulting debris collapsing upon the masses. Not helped by how Godzilla seems to be speeding it up by turning faster as he does. It also doesn't help that the debris and the tail are coming right at the camera.
  • With a single step, Godzilla displaces the pavement, sending slabs of concrete and asphalt upwards — and sending people flying. We don't get to see them land on the ground or if they're in any shape to keep running from a monster so close and so intent on killing them.
  • A building breaks apart and falls to the ground, and the camera sticks with the rooftop, along with the people who had escaped to the doomed building in desperation.
  • One overhead shot shows Godzilla directly stepping on some fleeing people, something that Godzilla films have largely avoided showing. Knowing this Godzilla's hatred for humans, he's clearly crushing them on purpose.
  • The fact that the camera is seeing these from the perspective of the fleeing civilians makes it so much worse. The audience is forced to share in the terror and despair that they are experiencing.
  • Related to the above point: An explosion — very likely a third nuclear weapon — goes off in front of Godzilla. But we see it from the perspective of the Japanese unfortunate enough to be caught in the blast radius, who watch in despair as the shockwave heads right for them. Then we see the shockwave disintegrate entire city blocks. It's the same worst-case scenario that people were fighting to avoid in Shin Godzilla — except it becomes a reality in this film, and at the worst possible time.
    • Later trailers propose an even worse possibility: this is just what Godzilla's Atomic Breath does now. But wait, it somehow gets even worse than that! Assuming that the events of the latest trailer are accurate, Godzilla used this massive overkill attack to destroy four tanks. That's akin to using a bunker buster to deal with gophers!
    • Confirmed. His Breath Weapon is now effectively a nuclear bomb, and he used to it destroy four tanks (and kill as many people as he could). And the destruction is shown from the POV of the people on the ground.
    • Further, we see the pressure wave destroying and sending debris a mile or so away from the impact point. Then we see a lot of that debris flying back the other way. This implies Godzilla superheated the air so much that it created a vacuum like a lightning bolt does.
  • Like in the original, Godzilla bites down on a train, where it hangs helplessly from his mouth. However, in this film, we also see this from inside one of the cars, where Noriko Oishi (Minami Hamabe) holds on for dear life as one end of the cabin breaks off and falls, leaving little to block Oishi from potentially falling to her doom, as the other passengers around her had.
  • The October 18 teaser has a glimpse of Godzilla coming up on a fishing boat in the open sea, with one character firing a mounted machine gun directly at the monster's half-submerged face. And yet, Godzilla only glares back at these little ants in his waters.
  • This Godzilla is about 50 meters tall, like the 1954 original. This incarnation of the Kaiju King — who has dealt such cruel destruction and slaughter upon Japan — is shorter than Shin Godzilla and Godzilla Earth, yet that makes the destruction he causes feel much more personal and deliberate.
  • The charge-up sequence for the Atomic Breath now has a new wrinkle. While the blue glow is still here and even travels up from the tip of his tail like his Monstervese incarnation, but now Godzilla's dorsal spines now painfully extend from his back at the same time before slamming back in to release it. Not so nightmarish, and even awesome on its own, but a number of viewers have noticed that this process bears a striking resemblance to how the control rods of a nuclear reactor function. It's been said throughout the franchise that Godzilla's heart is essentially a nuclear reactor, but this marks the first time it's been taken so literally.

I've got a curiosity on an entry that isn't on a page, but I want to run this through here.

A flash game series called Castle Cat, which has four games, has a horrific game over screen for its fourth game. Namely, it depicts a black-and-white photo of what appears to be a real dead cat. In a game that's otherwise pretty silly (if crude at times). The reason I wanted to bring this up here, and why I didn't just put it on NightmareFuel.Video Games, is that while it's universally considered NF by those who know of the series, it also falls into trappings of that one SiIvaGunner video that this thread decided to outlaw from the NF page, in that it tastelessly presents real horror in an otherwise goofy work. I wanted to ask here if this would be held to similar standards.

If this is a discussion, then it should be noted that plenty of things listed and linked on NightmareFuel.Public Service Announcement and its subpages also contain real death and suffering of both humans and animals. I'll try to make a list of them for discussion.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Dec 11th 2023 at 12:56:33 PM

If I'm correct, the problem with the Siiva Gunner example wasn't necessarily the disturbing content, but that (assuming this is referring to the Cailou/Worldcorp one) the speculated source of the disturbing clip was from CSAM, which goes from "disturbing" to "skirting the borders of legality". That said, I don't remember the exacts when it was discussed in this thread, so anyone that does remember feel free to chip in if I'm wrong.

Edited by plakythebirb on Dec 11th 2023 at 2:10:03 PM

I believe so, yeah. It was a weird situation, but merely being disturbing wasn't enough to get it removed. This is Nightmare Fuel.

i was a part of that discussion. i didn't know that we considered the siivagunner caillou video child pornography. during the discussion, the most that came up during that discussion was the term "child abuse" which made me imagine physical violence instead of sexual abuse. that's why i got confused on the standards concerning real life violence being brought up on tv tropes, especially since we went as far as reconsidering current P5 standards.

I guess I also didn't know it was porn, but I do remember the pulling reason being more complicated than the clip simply being disturbing. Maybe it had more to do with it technically being a real life example? In which case we may need to go through these similar examples after all.

After a lot of work collecting them all, linked PSAs with real human and animal harm that may be under debate.

Personally, I think a lot of these can still stay (the page warns pretty well that it is the scariest on our site), but some should probably have video links banned. It's all up to you, though. These are just the notable cases that may be disagreed against; I'm discounting some cases like (then)-alive smokers and firework victims talking about their experiences for instance, as I dont think those would violate content policy despite some horrific injuries and illnesses these real people have/had. Feel free to forward this to the folks at content policy. I hope I actually did this for a reason instead of just wasting 4 hours of my life when you probably replied to what I said earlier by now :P

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Dec 11th 2023 at 3:50:09 PM

The content policy has nothing to do with gore. It's purely about porn and pedo-pandering.

So I guess I really did just waste 4 hours of my life watching the most horrible shit getting increasingly paranoid 🙃

I still think the link to the one with actual child trafficking footage is like, extremely dubiously legal though.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Dec 11th 2023 at 3:52:40 PM

I mean, yeah. I don't think it's bad to go through the links, it's just that there's no actual policy disallowing these types of things — at least not from the standpoint of "it's too gory". Some may be removable as NRLEP violations, for instance.