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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
Angry babby
Critical Dissonance also allows for the dissonance of "One side loves/hates it, the other side finds it just So Okay, It's Average."
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
pragmatic scientist
I asked this before in some other thread but didn't get a definitely resolving answer, so...
Does Intimate Hair Brushing also cover intimate hair drying ?
There are quite a few scenes of it, especially in anime - I remember such scene in Strawberry Panic or in Ojamajo Doremi. And there's definitely more.
The thing is, is Intimate Hair Brushing flexible enough to cover this or does the drying make enough difference to make it tropeworthy?
Edited by sohibil on Jun 4th 2021 at 12:16:05 PM
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
I'd widen it to Intimate Hair(Something).
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Peeks from Under Rocks
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Intimate Grooming? (Includes stuff like shaving another person's face being depicted as close and trusting...)
That works. Some relation to Dangerously Close Shave.
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I think it's flexible enough. The actual trope is bonding while grooming; the exact nature of the grooming isn't as important.
Angry babby
Intimate Grooming might be mistaken for something creepier like child grooming.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Peeks from Under Rocks
Yeah... I realized that about five minutes ago. At least for the purposes of this thread, I hope it helped define the scope of what the trope is trying for.
I agree, Intimate Grooming for me immediately calls to mind child grooming.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Ditto. Maybe Intimate Hair Care would work better, especially since the last two words rhyme.
Veteran Editor IV
I'd be fine with Intimate Hair Care. I think we should wait until an actual thread opens, though.
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IHC sounds good.
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I mean...do we need a rename? How many non-brushing examples are we talking about here? Could it not be swept under tropes are flexible?
Angry babby
Yeah, this issue felt more like a misplaced "Is this an example?" question than a TRS issue.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, let's not immediately jump to "better name ideas".
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I've just updated all the on-page thread tags so that they point to Trope Repair Shop rather than the old Welcome thread. All except the various The Con subtropes and Wiki Tropes items as I don't have time for them too.
I've also done a bit of updating on Trope Repair Shop.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gentleman Troper!
I came across the page Hero Ball... it reads like a trope, but has no on-page examples for some reason, and according to the description it's essentially "Idiot Ball but restricted to heroes, and I don't like that".
I'm confused why this is a separate page; its definition (the hero acts stupid because the plot demands it) is literally what Idiot Ball means. I'd start a thread, but it's hard to do the mandatory wick check if there are no wicks. What do people think of this page?
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It has 141 wicks. Wicks and On Page Examples aren't the same thing, and you don't check the on-page examples.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I am quite willing to accept on page misuse as evidence of a problem.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, sure, but my thought process is always that we need to account for the tropers who don't crosswick, and people who don't bother crosswicking are likely to make mistakes since there's a good chance they haven't visited the actual trope page or read the description (as we know people don't do that ever). So if you only account for the on-page examples, there's often entire patterns and trends that go completely unnoticed because the sort of people who use the trope that way are also the sort of people to not crosswick the example back, or at least there's enough overlap between those categories.
Looking only at on-page examples can skew the results. They should be taken into account if possible, but basing the entire thesis around them is making the bold assumption that the entire wiki is like that one specific page, and since wick checks are meant to show how the trope is used around the wiki...
It's moot here anyway since Hero Ball has no on-page examples, and Spark was confusing those with wicks.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 8th 2021 at 4:49:48 AM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
On the other hand, on-page misuse can bespeak a definition/description issue if the examples aren't right even on the page that hosts the definition.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Like I said, account for them if they need to be accounted for, but relying only on them is just too much to assume with too little evidence.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 8th 2021 at 4:53:09 AM
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pragmatic scientist
I remember somebody saying in some other TRS thread that tropes have to influence the story.
How does sideboob or other fanservicey tropes influence the story?
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
Redmess
You could argue that a trope like Sideboob affects the mood of a story. A story with a lot of fanservice will feel different from the exact same story without the fanservice.
Optimism is a duty.
I think there’s a notable difference between Acclaimed Flop and Critic-Proof (critic score and box office profit dissonance) and Critical Dissonance (critic score and audience score dissonance), as for a work can be liked/hated by critics and audience alike, but still flop/succeed at the box office.
For example, Hugo was well-received by both critics and audiences
, but nevertheless failed for multiple reasons (such as its director mainly being associated with R-rated films and the cast having little big names). On the other hand, Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen was poorly-received by both critics and audiences
, but was nevertheless a box office success, because people want to see blockbusters.
back lol