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- If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term
. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
- If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is), and post the results on TRS Queue and wait your turn if a problem is present. The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
- You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
- Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
- If a wick check is too much for you, you can leave the issue at Tropes Needing TRS citing the discussion.
- Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
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Welcome. Grab yourself a sandbox like Sandbox.Male Gaze Wick Check, for starters. You can check out the wick checks for active TRS projects in thread OPs and copy over their folder formatting, if that'd help. Using the "related" tab on Male Gaze, you'll have to grab yourself 65, maybe 66 wicks to check (since the sqrt of the current wick count is 65.49). Come over to the Wick Check Project thread and folks can help you out.
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Double-posting for the wick cleaning update:
Fewest remaining wicks: Coitus Ensues (799), Speedrun (770), Everythings Better With Dinosaurs (492), Widow Woman (376), Gainaxing (365)
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
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Everythings Better With Dinosaurs thread has concluded so pinging ~War Jay 77 (who's next in line on TRS Queue)
Macron's notes
Discarded and Feeling Blue
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What determines a TRS cleanup thread being relocated to Projects versus remaining open here?
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Fast Eddie merged Baby Got Back into Male Gaze. (Baby Got Back was basically Shes Got Legs but for butts).
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If a cleanup is more complicated (entries need detailed discussion regarding what counts) we consider moving the thread to one of the cleanup forums. However, that hasn't always worked so threads get sent back to TRS when the cleanup thread loses steam.
Most threads that have been sent to projects have pre-existing clean up threads.
Macron's notes
Professional Wick Checker
So, I was cleaning a characters page and found Memetic Hand Gesture... and it's a mess. The title name suggests that it's a ymmv page but it's both used for In-Universe and Real Life cases. Some of the examples also are a mix of ZCEs not explaining how the hand gesture is memetic/iconic or just mention a universal hand gesture like the middle finger that's not iconic in any way. It needs a rename and/or limiting its scope to either In-Universe or ymmv examples, and clean up. Should it get taken to TRS?
the Retromancer
"title name suggests that it's a ymmv page"
Doesn't sound like that for me and it's not in YMMV.YMMV. If most examples are in-universe then the trope is used correctly.
ZCE however would be a problem, and I'd question tropeworthyness of it as a concept.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Professional Wick Checker
Well, if it has "memetic" in the title, then I expect the examples to be of hand gestures that became a meme (mostly in real life). The trope has more than one idea in it: hand gestures that became a meme (YMMV) and hand gestures that became iconic/a Running Gag (In-Universe). How come Memetic Hair is on YMMV but Memetic Hand Gesture isn't? What made the latter YMMV and the former not?
the Retromancer
"memetic" means "contagious expression" and is used off-site about things other than memes. Not everything "memetic" is necessarily a Memetic Mutation (which points to Instant Web Hit for In-Universe examples, which may not be accurate) subtrope, at least in my understanding.
It's a rather convincing argument to me to instead rename Memetic Hair to Iconic Hair / Signature Hair.
I can foresee a broader Trope Talk what is Memetic Mutation and what is Signature Tropes.
Also found out we have Memetics in Fiction and Memetics, which pretty much repeat my point.
Edited by Amonimus on Dec 17th 2022 at 3:55:30 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Professional Wick Checker
Then we may or may not need to rename Memetic Hand Gesture to Iconic Hand Gesture, as well.
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
I actually agree that Memetic Hand Gesture should be in YMMV like other "memetic" tropes are, and the one-line description is just "Any hand gesture that's become emblematic of the character, series, or situation in which it appears"... which is an Audience Reaction and not a trope to be found in the work. If it's not YMMV then it's trivia. Either way, it's external. I did however file it on Tropes Needing TRS under "should be YMMV" a few months ago, so suffice to say I agree with Selkies.
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Where do we draw the line between "Memetic" tropes and "Signature" tropes?
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Discarded and Feeling Blue
IDK, but either way both are typically classed as YMMV.
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Determined Widow / Widow Woman thread's wick cleaning is finished so a new spot will open once a mod closes the thread
Oops, my bad for being unclear. I meant tropes like Signature Headgear, not Signature Scene.
Edited by FernandoLemon on Dec 17th 2022 at 3:04:27 PM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
the Retromancer
I'll go analyze Signature Tropes for the discussion since I've brought it up and I have nothing else to do.
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Since a thread will open soon, paging ~Phantom Dusclops 92 just in case
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
Oh. Well, I feel like I should elaborate more in an actual thread, but I feel like the difference here is that "memetic" tropes are about things that catch on with fanbases and culture, while a "signature X" is used by the work itself to represent a character and it becomes an identifier in and out of universe. It's not a "meme" because it's not being spread around or altered in any way... it's just "you can tell that it's this character because of their signature trait".
Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 17th 2022 at 1:25:43 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Professional Wick Checker
Amonimus, War Jay 77 & FernandoLemon, I made a thread for Memetic Hand Gesture so we can continue the discussion here.
Edited by selkies on Dec 17th 2022 at 11:41:18 PM
the Retromancer
Should I queue WebAnimation.Animutation as "A trope in everything but the namespace."?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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I'd personally say yes, though I don't know what the rules are about "tropes in all but namespace". I definitely think animutations are a genre, not a specific work—I've actually watched a few. They're basically the early 2000s Adobe Flash predecessor to You Tube Poop.
Speaking of, is You Tube Poop a genre, or a specific work? Because it too is listed under Web Animation.
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