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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
I went into my Playing Gertrude wick check thinking it would be an easy Trivia move and went out of it advocating for a cut, lol. It's on the queue now, feel free to read it over.
Just stoic wisdom.
How does Useful Notes/ get IUEOed? The universe notes pages exist in is this one, after all.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Peeks from Under Rocks
Literary Necrophilia just seemed wrong, so I did a wick check. It seems to have been designed as a complaining magnet, among other issues. Post on the queue.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
it's also starving, which is reason enough to bring it in
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Paging War Jay 77 regarding Caffeine Bullet Time since I waived the Three-Day Rule for a Not Thriving thread.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Paging ~War Jay 77 properly this time.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Wasn't a ping, but lucky for you, I have no life and was checking the forum at the right second anyhow :P
Anyway, we're really flying through these, god dang. Thread comin'.
Edit: And then you had to go and ninja me with the actual ping I see how it is Gaston 
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 20th 2022 at 12:19:02 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I could say that about myself. Why else would I be on TRS just before midnight? (It's after midnight now, but it wasn't when I made my previous two posts in this thread.)
Well, there's the whole insomnia thing that makes my sleep schedule incredibly screwy, and it's not like there's really anything else to do when it's dark outside and nothing's open.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 20th 2022 at 12:02:44 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Paging ~Nitro Indigo since they're up next.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
~Tropers/badtothebaritone : I saw you put The Vitruvian Pose as a Not Thriving for only having 22 wicks, but the page is under a year old. 22 wicks is acceptable at that age:
- 0-23 (0-11 if newly made or 1-3 years old): Starvation
Missed that part. My bad.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Between a recent ATT query and the misuse I've seen over the years (even shortly after I joined), I wonder if Dark World might need TRS because it's about parallel worlds that resemble a twisted version of the world the character(s) originally came from, but the name is often interpreted literally to refer to grim worlds in general. It might be a case of Trope-Namer Syndrome because the name came from the Dark World in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, which is the kind of twisted parallel world the trope is about.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 21st 2022 at 12:46:44 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Mirror Universe seems to hit a lot of those beats already.
the Retromancer
Bizarro Universe and Shadowland may need to be kept in mind in that case.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
So I've seen a few tropes whose usage seems to be broader than what its description implies, but I want to make sure if they still fall under Tropes Are Flexible before doing a wick check:
- The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask: Described as an Always Female trope where a woman being put in a position of authority must act more emotionless, ruthless, competent, etc. than she really is and generally "defeminizing" herself in order to be taken seriously as a leader. A lot of examples don't really touch on the gendered aspects and comes across as a more general "being a leader is hard because you have to suppress your personal feelings & desires for the sake of the people/crew/country/etc."
- Overprotective Dad: Described specifically as a father who is hostile towards his daughter's prospective love interests because no man is ever going to be good enough for his baby girl. Often used as a more general overprotectiveness towards their child's safety and well-being, including sending a bodyguard with them wherever they go, or not allowing them to go adventuring/do activities that is deemed "dangerous".
The Overprotective Dad one sounds like Trope Decay because of the name, since it doesn't specify what the dad is overprotective of. And there'd be no real need to split off by gender what is just "overprotective parent".
The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask also has issues but I can't tell if it's just a misuse thing or something more fundamental about the trope itself. Because it's about women having to either fake or become tough, cold, ruthless to be taken seriously, the clearest way to know this trope is happening is if it explicitly explores that struggle. But if a female leader is shown to be all of those things without the exploration, is it fair to say it's an Implied Trope?
I don't think so, personally, but that's probably where those examples are coming from. (I also think this and Iron Lady are effectively treading the same ground, tbh)
Stumbled upon Brainwashing for the Greater Good and Heel–Face Brainwashing which, from their definitions, are seemingly the same trope. There was a previous TRS thread opened advocating for a merge that no one ever responded to, so I'll probs bring them in for a merge at some point.
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 22nd 2022 at 1:00:44 PM
Can't make a thread since the forum is full, but someone said I should post it here.
I propose renaming Australian Culture to Australian Media, to bring it in line with every other national media index.
IIRC, a previous discussion about The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask, the difference between that one an Iron Lady is that in the latter the woman is genuinely tough and masculine, while in the former, she's not really so, but is forced to adopt a different persona for the leadership. Not sure if that's a meaningful distinction, or if the examples actually follow that distinctive. Might need to wick check that one as well when I do start checking The Woman Wearing The Queenly Mask.
Edited by Adept on Oct 23rd 2022 at 8:29:30 PM
Just stoic wisdom.
What do I need to prove with a wick check, if anything, for a trope I think is being held back by its similarity to a different trope's name? Both of them were launched in 2009. The first has 24 wicks while the second is only a few shy of 1.8k. Should I just state my case with an unsandboxed wick overview "Not Thriving"-style?
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
24 wicks is literally one wick above starvation, so I don't think you can use Not Thriving.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 23rd 2022 at 7:21:57 AM
How sweet it is
I asked the rest of the staff, and got a ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to move. We can probably handle it without a TRS thread.
Well, 24 wicks is definitely still not great for a trope that old.
Hmmm, interesting question. I wonder if this could be one of those occassions where you don't need a wick check to bring it in. After all, a single example above the cut off isn't all that different from being at the cut off. If you can make a convincing case in your OP based on definitions that might be enough.
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 23rd 2022 at 11:06:42 AM
IUEO examples should be in the songs/music videos/promotion material themselves. So, a name being acknowledged as cool in a song or music video should count.
Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 20th 2022 at 3:36:27 PM
Macron's notes