Do you have trouble remembering the difference between Deathbringer the Adorable and Fluffy the Terrible?
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Useful Tips:
- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
Lost in Space
That one is sourced and is a very genuine issue with the marketing of the film's tie-in merchandise.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No question on the correctness of the entry. Just wanted to make sure it is a legitimate example of Internet Backdraft.
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Lost in Space
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Hmm, you know what? It doesn't really fall into the definition. The Rey merchandising backdraft is not one that a "hapless newbie" is going to stumble into by accident on a discussion board.
That Hilarious in Hindsight example looks legit to me.
edited 26th Jan '16 1:02:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ah. Thanks for the feedback. I just deleted the sub-bullet, will go ahead and delete the other one.
If Internet Backdraft is meant to be "no examples, anywhere, ever," then it should probably have the YMMV banner (which specifically directs tropers to put examples on works' YMMV pages) removed or replaced with a Flame Bait banner.
Lost in Space
It is currently not set for "no examples, anywhere, ever". Whether it should be is a matter for TRS.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Posted this example from Ultimate Fantastic Four twice and never got a proper response.
- Lean and Mean: Compared to his mainstream counterpart, Victor Van Damme is quite skinny. The fact he's a man of living metal rather than stomping around in a huge armored suit justifies it.
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The only context present is "thin". You have to explain why "thin" implies VVD is evil for sufficient context.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
These were recently added to Divergent:
- Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work: In Insurgent, Tori, one of Tris' friends, kills Jeanine near the end of the novel to avenge her brother. In its film adaptation, it's instead Evelyn who does the job, likely to foreshadow the fact that she is much crueler than she appears to be.
- Can't Kill You, Still Need You: This is the only reason that Tris spares Peter at the end of Divergent, although she does shoot him in the arm to make him cooperate.
- Defeat Means Friendship: In Allegiant, after Nita’s failed rebellion, she gets imprisoned, but is freed so she can work together with Tris and the others to stop David from releasing the memory serum.
- Disc-One Final Boss: Nita is the antagonist for the second act of Allegiant, even though Tris originally collaborates with her to take down the Bureau. When she fails, she gets imprisoned and later redeems herself by working with Tris to stop David's plan.
- Easily Forgiven: Tris's parents forgive her for going into the Dauntless regime, especially when her father has to go into hiding with the Abnegation.
- Forgiven, but Not Forgotten: Tris in Divergent takes a while to forgive Christina and Will for not protecting her when Peter, Drew and Al kidnapped her, molested her, and tried to throw her down a chasm. By the time she does, she realizes that she can't trust anyone in the Divergent army except for Four.
- I Need a Freaking Drink: In Divergent, Tris's fellow initiates pass around a silver flask with something strong right before Al's funeral. She refuses to partake in it.
- This Is Unforgivable!: Will, Christina and Tris treat Al this way after he assists Peter and Drew in attempting to kill Tris. They become more ambivalent after Al kills himself but never speak of it again.
I've found a story where a man tells two of his nephews he'll bequeath his whole estate to the one who finds out what his most treasured possession is. Does it count as an example of Game Between the Heirs in spite of the benefactor still being alive to see the heirs playing the game? If not, which trope(s) is this an example of?
No, the other one.
I think it's certainly related to Game Between Heirs, but as it is, I don't think it's an example. There are a lot of stories about inheriting someone's business or whatever, with or without games and stuff for it, with the current head still alive, and I think that's closer to it. Not sure what trope it is, though.
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Does Informed Attribute have to be for characters, or can it be for something in the narrative?
Like this:
RWBY: In the world of Remnant, there are a group of humans with animal traits called Faunus that are said to receive a lot of discrimination from normal humans, to the point that an extremist group called the White Fang has cropped up to fight for their rights. The only time the discrimination is ever actually shown to exist outside of exposition is through three characters, one of which is a Hate Sink and one being an antagonist.
edited 30th Jan '16 12:19:44 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
...That doesn't really sound like "not shown".
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Agreed
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The racism is supposed to be widespread is the issue, but it's never portrayed that way.
Whatever, I guess it's not an example.
edited 30th Jan '16 4:37:07 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
The Unknown
For Hype Backlash on YMMV.Super Smash Bros:
- This can apply to characters who aren't in the roster but are requested by many people, ranging from characters who aren't traditional video game characters, like Goku and Shrek, to characters already in the game in some form like Chrom, Waluigi, and Ridley, to characters who are more reasonable like Issac, Banjo-Kazooie, King K. Rool and Daisy. Any mention of these characters will bring up Internet Backdraft. In particular, some popularly requested characters in the latter "more reasonable" group have been known to raise overzealous fan support and arguments that they absolutely need to be in Smash and that one isn't allowed to argue otherwise and/or that Sakurai is anything from a "bad director" to a "horrible person" for not including them, causing even more of this trope.
- Even playable characters already in the roster - such as Mario, Link, Captain Falcon or Cloud - can turn some people off due to their popularity and end up being slapped with the "overrated" label.
edited 30th Jan '16 10:11:32 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Queen of Good Things, Honest
That's a pretty big paragraph for an entry about troping things that aren't in the Work.
There's a fine line between documenting fandom reactions and outright troping the fandom. That entry is doing the latter.
edited 1st Feb '16 11:24:41 AM by TobiasDrake
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No, the other one.
If as trope can apply, then it also can not apply. It's not a specific example. Either it applies, or it doesn't apply. There is no could.
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x10. So it's been about 6 days, so is there any chance I could get a response to the examples I posted?
Grease has parts of the play omitted from the movie, but retained in Grease Live!, listed under Adaptation Expansion. Does "we kept some parts that another adaptation cut out" really count as "expanding"?
X12 It's now been a week, so is there any chance I could get a response to the examples I posted?
Context wise, they look okay at first glance, though I think Can't Kill You, Still Need You could use a little more, such as why he's needed alive.
Don't have time right now though to double check that they match the tropes themselves.
edited 3rd Feb '16 8:32:58 AM by sgamer82
@sgamer82: Thanks for taking a quick look, I appreciate the help.
If anyone else would like to take a look and see if the examples match the tropes, that would be great.
What about the other example that's the first bullet?