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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#7603: Feb 17th 2019 at 4:21:57 PM

Re: John Reed of Jane Eyre: He's an awful person as a kid and as an adult, but he's not a villain. He dies young, too.

ETA: What I meant by this was cut John Reed as misuse. [down]

Edited by XFllo on Feb 17th 2019 at 8:42:50 PM

11111001011 Since: Dec, 2018
#7604: Feb 17th 2019 at 4:58:47 PM

How should we change the entry?

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#7605: Feb 17th 2019 at 7:31:17 PM

As a magical portal changes memories and names and concepts to fit a new world, there's an implication that language would change as well? But that it doesn't is a subversion of that implication, right?

Fanfic.A Certain Magical Friendship:

  • Translator Microbes: Subverted, no magical translation of any kind here. Only the characters who know both Japanese (Neighponiese) and English (Equish) can talk to the cast of both series.

Edited by Malady on Feb 17th 2019 at 7:31:25 AM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#7606: Feb 17th 2019 at 9:32:43 PM

From The Legend of Korra:

  • Invincible Villain: The Big Bad of each season, to varying degrees. They regularly trounce Korra and her friends, and very rarely does Korra achieve unequivocal victories over any of them. At several points, the villains score clear wins, either in direct physical combat with the Avatar, or outmaneuvering her politically, leaving her with no recourse. The finale of each season often focuses on Korra and her friends dealing with the repercussions of the villains' (sometimes posthumous) successes, rather than celebrating their defeat.

It seems like it's trying to frame a fairly typical aspect of storytelling (the villains are a serious threat and not defeated until the end) as a flaw. The final part is also only true of the third season. Should I cut?

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#7607: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:27:46 PM

I'd say yes, cut.

(What the hell even is Invincible Villain?)

11111001011 Since: Dec, 2018
#7608: Feb 18th 2019 at 5:25:20 AM

I made a few tweaks involving gender in The Dick Tracy Show.

Here's the original.

  • The Smurfette Principle: Incredibly averted. Except for the brief appearance of a female in some episodes, such as the girl Go-Go Gomez is wooing at the start of his episodes, the show is one big sausage fest.

Here's my first change.

  • The Smurfette Principle: Incredibly averted. Except for the brief appearance of a female in some episodes, such as the girl Go-Go Gomez is wooing at the start of his episodes, the show is one big sausage fest.

I deleted that entry and made another.

  • Chromosome Casting: Except for the brief appearance of a female in some episodes, such as the girl Go-Go Gomez is wooing at the start of his episodes, the show is one big sausage fest.

Which one do you find the most legit?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#7609: Feb 18th 2019 at 5:27:31 AM

Definitely the latter. The Smurfette Principle is about how, in an all-male cast, there will be a single female who gets to do all the girl tropes. If there isn't a regular female character, then the trope simply doesn't apply. There is no "aversion" here.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MathsAngelicVersion Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music from Gensokyo Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music
#7610: Feb 18th 2019 at 8:27:09 AM

I find this example on DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.Live Action TV questionable:

How is this Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy? I get that Trump supporters and people who are sick of hearing about the election were alienated, but that's not the same as DIAA, which is about the world being so dark that the audience doesn't care what happens next.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#7611: Feb 18th 2019 at 8:52:48 AM

Yep, complete misuse of the trope, and a RL rant to boot, which makes it doubly inappropriate.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Birdy18 Birdygamer from Home Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Singularity
Birdygamer
#7612: Feb 18th 2019 at 6:54:01 PM

I thought about the Splatoon series and one thing came to mind: On one side, you have the selfish Inklings who only care about style and sports while the Octolings are destructive and militarized. Because of the these two sides, isn't this case of Gray and Gray Morality?

Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#7613: Feb 18th 2019 at 9:20:51 PM

[up]No, the Inklings are not particularly selfish.

BlazingFlames88 Since: May, 2016
#7614: Feb 18th 2019 at 9:45:04 PM

Hello! I was just asking, would this image from the Dragons: Race to the Edge Episode Dire Straits count as a Separated By the Wall Scene, or a Window Love scene? Link Here: http://thetvshows.us/displayimage.php?pid=1553282&fullsize=1. Also, here is a You Tube Video Link to the scene from the episode. Link Here: https://youtu.be/KYSfAq5W1HI?t=45.

Thank You! :)

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7615: Feb 19th 2019 at 2:53:50 AM

Apart from poor formatting I am almost certain that this Necromunda example isn't correct (as it was intentional) but it is YMMV so I would like some confirmation before deleting it:

  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Years later the initial release of Necromunda, the Tau would be introduced to 40K, and the names of the Spyrers' suits all happened to be words in the Tau language that accurately described the suits' abilities. Note that when they were first introduced, the Spyrers' suits were said to use alien technology. Later, Games Workshop just happened to add an alien race to the setting who are technologically advanced and much more open to other races than just about anyone else in the setting.

      At least one Tau Codex actually makes the connection between the Spyrers' suits and the Tau explicit, with a note that it has the Inquisition deeply concerned about the flow of xeno-tech that deeply into the Imperium.

      However, making all the more confusing is that Spyrer gear is supposed to be ancient. Far older than the 300-or-thereabouts years the Imperium has known about the Tau. What the implication of that are is anybody's guess.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
#7616: Feb 19th 2019 at 12:48:47 PM

I don't think this is an example of Chainmail Bikini since it doesn't describe the item in question as "armor". Quite the opposite, it points out that it isn't for self-defense, yet it was still posted there.

  • Ranma from Ranma ½ has to wear a literal metal corset in the French-style diners arc while infiltrating and trying to learn the ultimate dining technique as a girl. It's not for self-defense, but for making him wearing weight as a form of harsh training that the long-tongued huge-mouthed French creeps force on him. Ranma is trapped in it (it's locked) until he loses so much weight due to hunger and it falls off him. He accidentally gets hit with hot water once and deliberately in a self-training session while he's still in it, which results in an excruciating spectacle of a guy painfully and awkwardly having a rigid metal corset and garter belt stocking on him.

This example was originally added by Tropers.Bakadude.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#7617: Feb 19th 2019 at 4:49:55 PM

In Doctor Who S37 E3 "Rosa".

Recycled Title example, namely the episode Rosa is contended to be an example of this with regards to the episode Rose. But they're both Character Titles about two different characters, so is that a legit example?

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
#7619: Feb 19th 2019 at 6:19:51 PM

Can I get a second opinion on the example I've presented? I want to know for sure if it's Not An Example.

Edited by TheNerfGuy on Feb 19th 2019 at 9:20:17 AM

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#7620: Feb 19th 2019 at 6:38:11 PM

[up] Doesn't sound like it's an example, you can probably cut it.


Should Bumblebee still be listed on Transformers Film Series, even though it's a reboot and therefore not part of that series?

If we need a dedicated series page, then I think we should rename the current page to something like Michael Bay's Transformers, and make a separate page that covers Bumblebee, Optimus Prime and all other Transformers movies going forward.

The Working Title for Bumblebee was Transformers Universe: Bumblebee. No idea if they're still using that umbrella title, but it could work for the new page.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
#7621: Feb 20th 2019 at 5:47:40 AM

[up]The Ranma ½ example has been deleted.

isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
#7622: Feb 20th 2019 at 8:43:39 AM

The Dragon Prince has two past characters, Queens Annika and Neha of Duren die in a heroic sacrifice to take a macguffin back to save their people from starvation. During this action, a court mage from an ally Kingdom tries to help them, fails, and is then saved by his Queen Sarai, who dies from attacks by the Dragon King. Annika and Neha are a married couple.

Does this qualify for Bury Your Gays if in the same conflict a non-gay person dies?

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#7623: Feb 20th 2019 at 9:15:25 AM

[up]If its an even split of gay and non-gay characters getting killed, i wouldn't considered Bury Your Gays.

isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
#7624: Feb 20th 2019 at 9:30:11 AM

So, in your opinion, since it is a 2-1 gay to straight deaths, then it does qualify for Bury Your Gays?

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#7625: Feb 20th 2019 at 9:40:40 AM

Is the cast mostly made out of LGBT characters? The trope is about gay characters getting killed off more often.


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