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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
I found this under Vomit Indiscretion Shot:
- Because of the psychological stress and abuse caused by his own parents, Falcon Heene, the supposed Balloon Boy, vomited on screen during a CNN interview.
Isn’t Real Life always "onscreen"? The trope requires characters to vomit onscreen, but this feels like Chairs when applied to RL.
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After having a look back at the conversation on this, Women Drivers has now been added to the Crowner. I'll do the ATT post.
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it is not chairs when they were being recorded during the interview...
looking at the cut RL for Asian Drivers, about the only thing id keep are the sexist language terminologies, and even that is a weak keep. im fine with removing it
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
I don’t think you’re getting what I’m saying. Someone in real life being recorded vomiting doesn't count as this. There has to be narrative intent behind it.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jan 30th 2024 at 12:56:06 PM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
What's that intent? The description discusses edginess and shock value, which can happen if someone chooses not to edit the scene out of a recording (which is a choice on the part of the person with the footage).
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I am in favour of making Former Child Star NRLEP.
After all, many KRLEs have been re-evaluated and some of them are now NRLEP.
Kirby is awesome.
You know what I'm talking about. An author decides to have a character vomit on screen. The news isn't scripted, and it wasn't intended on the news to have the person vomit.
Am I a weirdo?
The problem with that argument (other than the accusatory tone) is that all we need is a decision to show the vomiting rather than cutting away. And while the news isn't scripted, there's certainly a director choosing which cameras the audience is seeing.
I'm not completely opposed to removing the example. I've just seem some variant of the "requires narrative intent" argument overused and misused way too many times in this thread.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
Maintenance?
Deconfirmed Bachelor sounds gossipy and is a sexuality trope.
I'm back!
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Right. In edited footage, everything kept in is there by choice. By intent.
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If it's live news, it may not be narrative if there's only one camera. Maybe. Otherwise it's an editorial choice.
If it's pre-recorded, it's definitely an editorial choice.
I'd question why it's in RL rather than Live-Action TV, though. We're taking the view that it's only tropeable because it was onscreen, as RL doesn't have an "offscreen".
News Broadcast also falls under the broader Non-Fiction rules on Real Life Troping, so if this is an "artistic element", which seems to be the argument, then it's going to be tropeable regardless of RL.
Konstruktor
Looking at the footage (the video link is dead, by the way), I'm unsure. Most of the segment focuses on the dad, with Falcon just barely hidden by the news ticker. When Falcon vomits, the camera zooms out, turns to him, zooms in, turns back to the dad, and then switches to a shot with all the family visible. After this, it goes back to focusing on the dad as Falcon continues to vomit. So, I dunno, I can kinda see both arguments for "Did they mean to show the vomiting?". It is live by the way.
Maintenance?
I think it's been 24 hours now. Proposed new crowner items:
- Arab Beoble Talk: Invites mockery of Real Life languages and their speakers.
- All Muslims Are Arab: Stereotype.
- Vomit Indiscretion Shot: Narrative trope, as it requires on-screen.
I haven't gotten a word back about an objection that Deconfirmed Bachelor should be NRLEP, but I can wait another 24 hours for that.
I'm back!
i really dont see anything gossipy about Deconfirmed Bachelor; if people insist, then the marker should be "bachelor themselves lampshade the fact they never knew they would be getting married"
for example: Charlie Brooker, Caustic Critic menace of The Guardian who was decidedly very unromantic in his writing, states he thought marriage happened to other people (ofc until he got married lol)
"sounds gossipy" should not be grounds for adding to NLREP; if we can prove the gossip like w/ Women Drivers and Asian Drivers, then yes
also plasmapower, the news is still a narrative
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Jan 31st 2024 at 7:02:04 AM
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
he/him
If we're doing Arab Beoble Talk, I'd suggest we add Japanese Ranguage (with its "Lear Rife" section) and Vampire Vords as well.
if one comedy accent/language trope deserves to go, so do the others.
he/him
Arab Beoble Talk, All Muslims Are Arab and Vomit Indiscretion Shot are now on the Crowner. I'll do the ATT post in a minute.
speaking as someone not white: id rather do cleanup of the general examples while keeping historical shibboleths in use. im torn on leaving the dumb jokes from white people up since they are documented if they cannot be moved to the comedy subsection because a lot of the historical examples came from white writers (see: the Green Lantern pic for Japanese Ranguage)
(i am a little biased, being Asian and all
if All Muslims Are Arab goes, then i second moving it to a Useful Notes/Analysis page
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
- In an incident caught on video, an annoying tourist demonstrated exactly why you don't mess with the King's Guard: He stupidly grabs the guard by the shoulder, only to find himself immediately at the business end of a SA80 rifle with mounted bayonet in the hands of a very angry trained soldier yelling in his face. A spokesperson for the Ministry of Defence said that the guard had an entirely appropriate reaction.
- On a lighter note, this guy posed for a photo with a royal guard at Buckingham Palace and engaged in some good-natured comic riffing, proving that it is possible to succeed in getting a guard to break up laughing.
- Sometimes human nature takes its course and even the King's Guard aren't immune from slipping and falling.
- In 2012, a particularly brainless tourist decided that he would try to climb the gate to Buckingham Palace, an event that was caught on camera. The Coldstream Guard stationed inside the courtyard beyond was carrying a loaded SA80 rifle, and had carried out the full procedure prior to firing the gun before the tourist relented. Had the moron been any slower, he may well have been shot for his idiocy.
- During the Trooping of the Colour ceremony in 1981, an unhinged assailant fired what turned out to be blank rounds at Queen Elizabeth II, causing her horse to bolt and gallop away, giving her an uncomfortable minute or so in the saddle until she was able to calm and control her mount. The first two people to confront and capture the attacker were soldiers of the Scots Guards who were lining the parade route. Even though their rifles were unloaded for ceremonial duty, and they were confronting a clearly armed man, neither hesitated in literally defending the monarch's life. It is believed that both men were formally admonished for breaking ranks without permission - but their commanding officer apologised afterwards and shook both by the hand, then promoted them.
- In one video a guardsman posed in a photo for a child's birthday and in another video, a guard in Sweden played with a child. It's still not the best idea to test them or mock them, as they will give strong responses to people who cause too many problems or break too many rules.
- Canada has those too, which makes sense since it's a Commonwealth nation. They are also more ceremonial in nature, with many of them not being issued live ammunition outside of heightened security risks. They're active at the Citadel of Québec, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and Rideau Hall. Some have also crossed the pond to serve at Buckingham Palace.
- South Korean soldiers in the Joint Security Area at Panmunjeon, the demilitarised zone that straddles both Koreas, are in sunglasses, short sleeves and at a tense alert. Like the bearskin-wearing Guards, they will not move or react to visitors but they are still working soldiers in an active warzone. Any attempt to interfere or, heaven help you, get passed them to the northern side will be met with resistance.
- The Presidential Guard in Greece is very similar to the King's Guard. Ceremony purposes? Check. Historical outfit that is wildly out of place in the modern era? Check. Complete refusal to leave their post until relieved even when their guard post is on fire and their uniform is currently smoldering and burning from the heat? Check.
- Vatican City has the famous Pontifical Swiss Guards, protectors of the Pope. While their colourful uniforms and old weaponry can make the tourists laugh, it is one of the oldest military units in the world and every one is a professional trained soldier (specifically having served the mandatory term in the Swiss Army and then received further training) and sworn to defend the Pope. They have been extra serious about their job since the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in 1981.
- If the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier guards in at the Arlington National Cemetery has to confront rowdy tourists, they will interrupt their routine and shout at the crowd in an intimidating manner. While the guards are there for ceremonial purposes and won't leave their post until relieved, they take their duties very seriously.
A lot of these examples seem like aversions to the stereotype. Not to mention the first and third examples read out like RL Too Dumb to Live entries.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 1st 2024 at 6:21:58 AM
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Calling Badass Israeli for NRLEP, as it's been a week.
Result: +54 (Yeas:56 Nays:2), 58 total votes, 28.00 : 1 ratio.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I went ahead and cut the sandboxes brought up in this post (and I think some others before it) because they're outdated since we no longer sort by category, and since we already have explanations for why tropes are NRLEP on the listings for the new, alphabeticially sorted indexes.
It's not a sexuality trope, it's a romantic relationship trope. There's nothing inherently sexual about romantic relationships; none of the examples on the page mention sexuality.
I feel like most of the pages titled "All ___ Are ___" could apply.
"We are all so afraid, we are all so alone, we all so need from the outside the assurance of our own worthiness to exist."
Is Food Chain of Evil morality? All the examples are just real world food chains, and real animals aren't "evil", they just gotta eat.
Very Spooky
Food Chain of Evil seems to focus on fictional creatures, so it’s impossible in Real Life anyway.
back lol
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