Fixing zero context examples

Looks okay to me. The "solid" part is covered, at least.

"Romantic" Two-Girl Friendship is FULL of ZC Es. I just went on an aggressive commenting-out spree and to say it was a bloodbath would be an understatement. Going through the edit history with ctrl+f, I come up with 184 double percentage marks from my edit. I also cut a few examples that were too extreme on the romance for this trope or too general.

Edited by Acebrock on Nov 9th 2021 at 4:54:40 AM

Double post, but I want to go to town on Cast Full of Gay next. The problem is, I'm not sure what proper context is for that trope.

Probably by saying that many characters in the work are LGBT and giving examples of major characters' identities if there's a variety of identities.

Commented out a couple on The Western Animation page on Ukefication. Couldn't really do much 'cause I'm on my phone.

Kidnapped — any examples which might have context have been, dare I say, kidnapped?

The page for Transformers Battle Universe (and its YMMV page) is nothing but ZCEs. They're stubs too. Permission to take 'em to the cutlist?

I've already cutlisted the YMMV page; the only entry managed to be complain-y in spite of a ZCE, and the page has been untouched for almost 9 years.

Made a request for the main page for the game itself to be cut too.

Edited by Wafer on Nov 10th 2021 at 6:51:44 AM

Do the following examples from Transformers: Energon look like they have enough context?:

• Accidental Innuendo: Alpha Q...hehehe! Needless to say, the famously snarky TF Wiki Dot Net had a field day with his page.
• Author's Saving Throw: Kicker is characterized radically differently in the Dreamwave comic, and is much more likeable there.
• Awesome Music: While there are instances of odd Soundtrack Dissonance, the soundtrack is generally very solid, with the openings of both versions especially being a joy.
• Ensemble Dark Horse: Misha/Mika/Meeka is popular for....different reasons.
• Memetic Loser: Ironhide in general is this. His toy is even worse in the regard, generally considered to be among the crummiest designs for a Transformer, ever, so much so that it blanketed store shelves as a "shelfwarmer" for being too ridiculous-looking to buy and many a trans-fan can remember seeing wave upon wave of it in stores like Agent Smith.

All look like ZC Es to me

Someone who knows Forever's End may want to take a look at it, in the code half of the examples have already been commented-out beforehand, and quite a lot remaining are too short or nattery to explain how the tropes happen.

The Difference One Man Can Make

A relatively new fanfic page, too, made this year. Maybe the creator can be pinged...

Jeanne d'Arc may also need cleaning with its single-word examples.

Are these from Relationship Writing Fumble zero context:

• iCarly:
  • Carly and Spencer had a vaguely incestuous dynamic similar to Justin/Alex or Ellie/Chuck.
  • The blatant Sam/Carly undertones. Although the fumble may have been deliberate considering Dan Schneider and his penchant for including hidden Homoerotic Subtext in his supposedly teenage focused shows.
  • Spencer/Sam. One episode had Spencer lean over and tongue Sam's ear so she could hear his pop rocks crackling, and a later episode stated that she had a crush on Spencer.
  • A meta fumble, with the writers creating two opposing Shipping sects, with the Just Friends Carly/Freddie romance vs. the Belligerent Sexual Tension couple Sam/Freddie, and then pushing each in multiple episodes, only to turn around and tell the audience they were watching the show wrong.

Any entry about sibling relationships being read as incestuous is a red flag for me.

I hate those things, but I digress. The thing is apparently I have to know other shows to understand and I have never heard any fans comment on them. So I can't rewrite.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 18th 2021 at 9:16:33 AM

Our mission is to be descriptive rather than prescriptive, but yeah, all of these strike me as ZCE enough to delete them even if legit. If someone has the know-how for a legitimate example, and if that many Shipping Goggles-less people did read a sibling relationship as incestuous that it's worth talking about, then they can just write a better entry themselves.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 18th 2021 at 12:20:32 PM

iCarly had a massive shipping fandom but I have never seen anybody ship Carly and Spencer. I'm sure it exists but it isn't mainstream. The show makes them pretty clearly siblings, IMO — you'd be more likely to mistake Spencer for her father.

The Spencer/Sam thing I have seen pointed out but I'm pretty sure some episodes implied Sam has a crush on him?

The last one I don't think counts, the ships always existed in the show, the writers just didn't want the show to be about them (until I believe Executive Meddling pushed them to include a shipping arc).

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 18th 2021 at 12:23:18 PM

Okay I am leaning towards cutting those three. Though I am not sure what to do with the Sam/Carly. I might cut that one as well as I don't remember the show that much to expand it or know if it was deliberate or not.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 18th 2021 at 11:34:50 AM

The Sam/Carly one fits better under Ho Yay anyway.

I mean, can't Ho Yay lead to this trope?

Either way I cut them.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 18th 2021 at 5:24:20 AM

I may actually lose my mind.

~R3Ked, do you truly believe "has some elements of this, with cogs and robots and pipes" is sufficient context for Eternal Engine?

no

was i the one that put that one there? if so i've changed my mind about that, comment it

also i thought the comment tags were just broken, sorry

Edited by R3Ked on Nov 19th 2021 at 11:18:08 AM

I found this on The Great Mouse Detective:

• Love to Hate: Ratigan, mainly due to Vincent Price's love of hamming it up.

This zero context. Correct?

Edited by Bullman on Nov 20th 2021 at 12:39:35 PM