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  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Did Young Griff AKA Aegon VI react so juvenile to Tyrion because he didn't like the points he brought up or in fact he knew such facts already and was releasing his own frustrations with the plan and present situation?
  • Arc Fatigue: Daenerys' story arc, nicknamed the Meereenese Knot, is one of the most disliked plots in the series because it feels like she's just wasting time in Meereen when she should be taking her dragons to Westeros. By the end of the book, it still hasn't been fully resolved.
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  • Badass Decay: Daenerys spends the first three books building herself into an active conqueror. However, she spends most of A Dance With Dragons comparatively inactive and out of her depth. Her army is getting whittled away by rebels, her dragons are locked away, she's forced into a sham marriage and she's distracted by lust for Daario. And that's before she gets dysentery.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Tyrion becomes a much darker character in this book, having crossed the Despair Event Horizon that last we saw of him. While some fans consider this great character development, others are not pleased and have started to dislike Tyrion.
    • Quentyn Martell. While some readers find him interesting and his story arc as a deconstruction of a hero's journey, others find him boring and overly idealistic which many find his story arc as Shoot the Shaggy Dog and a complete waste.
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  • Harsher in Hindsight: The Sand Snakes are rightly enraged and horrified about finding out of Cersei's plot of having their younger cousin Trystane killed in an ambush on the Dornish party by a group claiming to belong to Tyrion. After their TV counterpart killed Trystane and his father by themselves this one leaves now a bad taste in the mouth.
  • Memetic Badass: Wyman Manderly has attained this status (with praises that sound almost Chuck Norris-esque, e.g. "Lord Manderly is a vegetarian. Meaning, he does not eat Freys until first he puts them into vegetative state with his fists."). His earned badassery comes from the fact that everyone underestimated the fat jolly man, and that he had the audacity to feed Frey pies to people like Ramsay and Roose Bolton without them even suspecting, and even having the bard sing "Rat Cook" right to their faces without them realizing anything, and finally surviving his throat being cut.
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  • Moe: Penny, the sweet, innocent dwarf girl Tyrion runs into.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Theon notices whip marks on Jeyne (who's 12/13) who also claimed to be trained to please a man. And once you realize what Littlefinger meant with "I'll take care of her"...
    • Varys arguably crosses it when he murders Kevan Lannister to deliberately destabilise the realm. Regardless of his supposed good intentions, he's dooming thousands more to die, even though it's supposedly for the realm's good.
  • Narm: Dany hears Quaithe talking to her in the stars, telling her "Remember who you are." This sequence is very close to events in The Lion King, preventing some readers from taking it seriously.
  • No Yay: Ramsay Bolton's very... fond of his Reek. This only makes being Ramsay even more terrifying, if that's even possible.
    "And what do you want, my sweet Reek?" Ramsay murmured, as softly as a lover. His breath smelled of mulled wine and cloves, so sweet.
  • One-Scene Wonder:
    • Wyman Manderly's granddaughter Wylla, who stands up for the Starks and gives Davos her support, despite her family's protests and attempts to silence her. Lord Wyman praises her bravado once he reveals his plan to Davos.
    • Lyanna Mormont, who doesn't even get an actual scene. One letter to Stannis from the ten-year-old daughter of Bear Island refusing to bend the knee, and she is everyone's hero.
    • Alys Karstark receives a lot of fan enthusiasm for her take-charge attitude. By fleeing her Evil Uncle on horseback, she avoids a forced marriage, and by entering a bold arrangement with the Magnar of Thenn, she stands to inherit Karhold with a house full of free folk backing her.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Theon Greyjoy becomes a lot more sympathetic, and arguably even heroic, in this book.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: Dany's teenage crush on Daario is one of the most frequently complained about things in A Dance With Dragons.
  • The Scrappy:
    • Dany's Meereenese supporting cast in A Dance With Dragons is very unpopular for a variety of reasons - difficult names, perceived blandness and the idea that the conflict in Meereen is ultimately irrelevant. Daario Naharis draws particular ire for his negative effect on Dany's character.
    • Dany herself to a lot of readers as a matter a fact. In a series where stupidity tends to be swiftly rewarded with predictable results, she gets away with plenty of blunders yet keeps on surviving because she happens to have a very strong army, very competent subordinates and of course, dragons. Far more competent characters can only dream of ever having such resources at their disposal. Her very unpleasant comments on Ned Stark don't help matters, showing how out of touch she is with reality.
    • Prince Aegon Targaryen, primarily to Dany's fans due to his brattiness compared to Dany's maturity (at a younger age, no less), as well as him coming completely out of nowhere and going to conquer Westeros before Dany can. Plus, he has a much more solid claim to the Targaryen throne than Dany does, which Dany's fans feel ruins the value of her being the last Targaryen. To put this into perspective the prevailing fan theory before his appearance was that he secretly survived despite his alleged murder by Gregor Clegane. When he finally did appear, the prevailing theory was that yes, he did die, and this "Aegon" is a fake.
  • Squick: The rather graphic depiction of Dany suffering from both dysentery and her period at the same time.
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