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Darth Wiki Dethroning Moment Of Suck Discussion
Virus on a website.
Some ASS put a trojan on the Freelance Astronauts stream page and by the time it was removed something came in that FUCKED UP my computer! Is that a dethroning moment of suck?
The events of the past couple of days have led me to ask this question.
What is the difference between a Justifying Edit, and a proper excuse as to why a reason should not be here?
Sorry about the over-the-top edit a couple of days back (and missing the bullet point about not using the index to complain about the index).
Even so, I think a slightly more moderate version could be worthwhile. Would it be acceptable to break the four "please bear in mind" bullet points out into their own heading and possibly reword them a little?
Since at least one person missed them, it might be worthwhile.
Would anyone object if I went through these pages with a chainsaw and destroyed any instance of "this troper?"
Given the highly subjective nature of this trope, do you think it'd work better with the Perverse Sexual Lust format? No examples in the main page, but the Troper Tales divided into subsections?
Just a suggestion.
Can we just delete this trope? Because frankly, Wall Banger and Just Bugs Me fufill the same role.
I'm thinking of adding an extra bit to the Your Milage May Vary saying it goes both ways since people are actually questioning how others could like this moment in their entries. What do you guys think?
why are the rules to post so much more strict on here then on crowning moment of awesome? should'nt your username be needed be needed for CMOA as well?
Uh, what happened to the D Mo S section for Professional Wrestling?
Should this be renamed Moment Of Suck?
Is this an exclusively meta trope or is it also an in-universe trope? I've seen it listed a couple of times referring to character's actions that, while not crossing the Moral Event Horizon, have a similar effect in making the audience permanently despise that character, but not necessarily in a way that badly impacts the work (much as Moral Event Horizon is not necessarily Bad Writing).
I've also seen it listed for characters who may not be favorites of the authors or popular amongst the fans, or even relatively minor ones, which would seem to contradict the laconic definition.
Since show is often better than tell.. say the people of Aliceland are being genocided by Boblandians, and Charlieland does absolutely nothing about it, despite being a close ally of Aliceland and having ample opportunity to intervene. This is not detrimental to the story about it, and it's not a Moral Event Horizon (which is almost always a sin of commission and not omission) but permanently damages the audience's view of Charlieland, though Charlieland may have only been a minor character beforehand.
Compare to say, Maude Flanders death, which is not a character based action nor a Moral Event Horizon but is immensely detrimental to the show's quality and firmly indicative of a nadir in writing quality, which is what I would use as a textbook meta example for this trope.
I've read Wall Banger and I've read this trope, and I'm not entirely certain I understand how they're different enough to warrant being separate pages. Can someone explain why we still have both?
Why exactly aren't real life examples allowed here? What kind of "trouble" might it start and why?
Should the Pro Wrestling section of dethroning moment of suck be re-added? Because I thought there was a reason why it was eliminated.
Is it allowed to have this trope linked in YMMV pages? The header seems to imply it isn't. But I've seen some of these in some YMMV pages and want to know if they should be deleted.
Too much of this page seems like whining about things that are too minor to really matter. That's what we have the Complaining About Shows You Dont Like and Ruined FOREVER pages for, right? I realize DMOS is for venting and it's Flame Bait to begin with, but I feel some changes are in order.
Why not make this consensus-based? Rather than having people say that some really, really minor scene or joke (like the Haruhi episode 2 example or half the Family Guy page) completely damns the whole series in their eyes, we could just have the moments which fans generally agree were awful. Everything else we can just move to a thread in the forums.
How do we get rid of that Myth Buster's page? There's only one example on it.
Okay, I know that entries such as "Everything [the character] said" and "The whole show" is forbidden for entries, but what about plot twists/pairings? Is that allowed or would it fall within the same category as the above?
You know, since Family Guy's dethroning moment of suck page has their moments listed out by seasons, shouldn't most of the other Western Animation pages have this as well. I mean, I know something like Total Drama has only three seasons and there really is no justification for listing it by season, especially when you consider the fact that they name the Total Drama series by different names per season, but for the long runners — shows that have been around for about 10 years or so — I think they should have some justification for listing the moments by season. That way, people who may want to find the episode where the sucky moment came from can easily do so.
I could be wrong but the second Victorious entry seems like someone's way of putting a Real Life entry. Whoever wrote it vaguely says that the episode had bad jokes than goes on to complain about a guy who guest starred for the rest of the entry.
This whole page is absolutely depressing. Is there any good series that hasn't had a Dethroning Moment of Suck?
So, the Moment Of Awesome pages, generally speaking, are about when a character or group of characters get a moment of awesome, with the examples of a show getting a moment usually being explicitly labeled as meta. The Dethroning Moment Of Suck pages are about the show on the whole getting a moment of suck, with few exceptions.
Was that intentional, or was the DMOS page just taken as an excuse to complain by the members rather than MOA's evil twin and no one bothered to rerail it?
I doubt half of these entries are real DMOS's and are nothing more than just moments in the recently aired episode that didn't satisfy them. For example, the Family Guy page. I see a lot of "DMOS's" from recent episodes than ones that aired longer than two years ago, to the point where there are more "sucky" moments in the supposed Growing The Beard season (9) than there are in the Seasonal Rot season. (7)
Should the Yu-Gi-Oh franchise as a whole get its own page on the Anime DMOS page? There are enough examples, after all.
Okay, dal0525 seems to be deleting any links to the iCarly page (Despite other shows having their own pages). Either he's a an iCarly fanboy who can't stand the idea that there are dethroning moments or is there something I'm missing?
Am I the only one who's really bothered by some of these subpages, i.e. Family Guy, specifically, how some of them seem to pass some moral/ethical judgment on whoever found joke so-and-so funny? Stating your reasonable and well-thought out opinion of a show's, err, spottier moments is all fine and dandy, but this is actually pretty demeaning. YMMV but dude, that's going a bit too far...
Okay, this may have been brought up before, but I would like to just flat out ask why this even needs to be a trope. I don't really see what a long list of parts of a show that people find sucky has to do with the wiki's mission, and anyways doesn't it completely disregard the many anti-natter messages we spread? It isn't really that hard to make a blog if you disliked part of a show.
I feel that the main issue with Dethroning Moment of Suck pages in general is that people assume that any listed entries are unanimous among the fandom, when it's pretty clear that they are anything but unanimous. I'd suggest a system where people vote on adding the moment like whenever a new trope is added. Otherwise we end up getting a very biased entry, a massive Flame War, and the page getting locked.
Adding to that, the fact that people have to sign the entries seems identical to how Troper Tales would require people to do the same, emphasizing how personal most of these moments are. At this rate, I think the Dethroning Moment of Suck page will just end up as another entry for Troper Tales.
Is it wrong that I'm incredibly amused by this page and turn to it whenever I'm feeling down?
The complaining, it's just so....delightful. I just read it, and I imagine babies crying and pooping their diapers because their bwankies were taken away to be washed, and the hilarity increases when I realize that most of these people are my age.
It gets even better knowing that these are likely the same people who complain about Jack Thompson expressing the idea that fiction can influence people negatively, and yet they're throwing tantrums and questioning the morality of anybody who isn't as devastated by that fictional moment as they are.
I just look at the page, and this spiteful little devil rises up in me and cackles over their whining. I sometimes get the urge to troll them, but I can usually suppress that easily by reminding myself that I want to stick around and actually bring good things to this site despite my mean-spirited amusement at the outlandish reactions of my fellow tropers.
Am I a bad person for finding this all so amusing?
I have a moment that doesn't go with the other categories so I made an "Other" page. Is that a problem? Am I in trouble for doing that?
(Just to clarify, it's a Radio example.)