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TheMightyHeptagon
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I\'m sorry if you found my language \
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I\\\'m sorry if you found my language \\\"rude\\\", but it was also incredibly rude of you to outright delete another troper\\\'s entry just because it mentioned a work that you don\\\'t like. You\\\'re not in any position to declare any and all references to another work \\\"forbidden\\\" on a page; that isn\\\'t your call to make.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan may have failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that a plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan may have failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that a plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
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I\'m sorry if you found my language \
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I\\\'m sorry if you found my language \\\"rude\\\", but it was also incredibly rude of you to outright delete another troper\\\'s entry just because it mentioned a work that you don\\\'t like. You\\\'re not in any position to declare any and all references to another work \\\"forbidden\\\" on a page; that isn\\\'t your call to make.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan may have failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan may have failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
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I\'m sorry if you found my language \
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I\\\'m sorry if you found my language \\\"rude\\\", but it was also incredibly rude of you to outright delete another troper\\\'s entry just because it mentioned a work that you don\\\'t like. You\\\'re not in any position to declare any and all references to another work \\\"forbidden\\\" on a page; that isn\\\'t your call to make.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling.
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I\'m sorry if you found my language \
to:
I\\\'m sorry if you found my language \\\"rude\\\", but it was also incredibly rude of you to outright delete another troper\\\'s entry just because it mentioned a work that you don\\\'t like. You\\\'re not in any position to declare any and all references to another work \\\"forbidden\\\" on a page; that isn\\\'t your call to make.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling a bit.
Like I said: I agree that references to \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\' should be avoided on the page--but they should be avoided because they\\\'re generally off-topic and irrelevant, not because the miniseries isn\\\'t fit to be acknowledged at all.
Once again: regardless of your personal feelings on \\\'\\\'Doomsday Clock\\\'\\\', it\\\'s still an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Watchmen\\\'\\\', and it makes sense to treat it as such. Its level of commercial and critical success doesn\\\'t change that fact, nor does the original author\\\'s disapproval of it. And for the record: \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t an officially licensed follow-up to \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\'; \\\'\\\'Jane Eyre\\\'\\\' is in the public domain, effectively making \\\'\\\'Wide Sargasso Sea\\\'\\\' a legally published fanfic.
But all of those issues are completely separate from the RealityEnsues example. To address that entry:
Yes, it\\\'s merely \\\"implied\\\" that Veidt\\\'s plan failed in the end. But when that implication was clearly intended by the author, it makes absolutely no sense to call it \\\"YMMV-speak\\\". It\\\'s true that those implications are ambiguous and open to interpretation, but that isn\\\'t the same thing as saying that they don\\\'t exist at all. The last pages also aren\\\'t the only part of the novel that imply that Veidt failed; Doctor Manhattan\\\'s line \\\'\\\'\\\"Nothing ever ends\\\"\\\'\\\' was also clearly meant to hint at that possibility. And there\\\'s no reason that one plot point can\\\'t be an example of both LeaningOnTheFourthWall and RealityEnsues. Those tropes don\\\'t cancel each other out.
I genuinely have no idea what Truman and the atomic bomb have to do with anything. You appear to be rambling a bit.
