Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
. Launches
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
Well, if it's not already on the cutlist, Equality Sue can be nuked from orbit. We don't need any more Sue tropes(especially not run through YKTTW)
Sorcerer in training
I could swear that, months and months ago, it was Fighteer who said that we don't need any more Mary Sue tropes, in the edit banned/suspended thread.
Whoever and wherever they said it, it is very true. Sic a killsat on that thing.
@Septimus: I like that term 'firebottle'.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Today's worklist:
- Lords of the Fallen: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Red Sun: Stub work page without a description or indexing by ~ebec89.
Last edit to that Instant Mon page dates back to Aug 2012, zero stats. Speedy cutlisting is the way to go.
edited 22nd Jan '15 4:42:11 AM by NemuruMaeNi
I think that can be said of both tropes we are currently discussing (Equality Sue and Instant Mon).
Otherwise, Myst V: End of Ages is a stub work page whose creator has been messaged.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Today's worklist is just Fourth Moon Of Xyth, a stub work page whose creator has been messaged.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Today's worklist:
- Academy of Merlin: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Emmure: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Keio Flying Squadron: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Nightly Show: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Today's worklist:
- Dawn of Steam: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Monster Under the Bed: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Mortdecai: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- National Lampoon's Men in White: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Transparent: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Today's worklist:
- Riverbed Soul Saver: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Vivere Militare Est: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Today's worklist:
- Brave Trials: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Shopping Spree: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Veronica Mars: Stub work page; creator messaged.
Re: Mortdecai: Work pages made for upcoming films. I hate seeing those. *Face Fault*
Sorcerer in training
Two words: Sandbox. Namespace.
Best thing for pages-in-waiting that haven't had the work released.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Yeah, these pages are a major eyesore. Anyhow:
- Missie Aarde: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Punchline: Stub work page; creator messaged.
I just found a weird page: TB Abrams
I'm not sure if it's a troper page mistakenly put in main, or somehow a character page. Also, it's in the Just for Fun index. Whatever the case, it's not at its correct place.
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
I moved RTP Style Period Piece Location Shooting off hyphenated title. Lord Gro thought it was my trope, but it wasn't and now it's moved I don't have a clue who made it because I put the original article on the cutlist. I think it's been around for a while, though.
ETA:To Lord Gro - if you're reading this, it was St Fan who put the page on Administrivia.Hyphenated Titles, not Septimus as I assumed (Septimus posted on the forum about finding all pages that were hyphenated. I think we've caught most of them using the page type by namespace tool - you can search the list for "-" and it shows up any hyphenated pages.)
edited 28th Jan '15 5:22:43 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Today's worklist:
- The Academyofthe Almost Gods: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Boy Who Fell: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Gassy Mexican: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Last American Vampire: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- TB Abrams: That page is so old, that any documentation is almost certainly gone. There is a troper with that name in the system who was banned in 2012 for being a ban evading sockpuppet, but it doesn't seem to be the same person.
- Top Boy: Stub work page; creator messaged.
An extra evening worklist, so that I have time free tomorrow for exam:
- The Bard's Tale IV: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Jambareeqi Reviews: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Eyes of Heaven: Stub work page; creator messaged.
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Creator of BT 4 article here. How is a "stub" work page defined? Your PM contained no suggestions on improving the article.
Sorcerer in training
BT IV's description needs to be at least a couple paragraphs, not a few sentences.
As someone who has just now heard of the game or the series, I find two of your three examples confusing rather than informative. Trilogy Creep's example makes sense, but feels incomplete.
One typo, under The Bard: It's is it is. The version you meant is its.
Since it's "upcoming", you might want to work on it in the Sandbox namespace until it's released and playable.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Mastermind Rational
Do we do that now? I mean the Sandbox thing. Back in my day, pages were just created in the proper namespace and grew from there. :-/ Is this one of those unwritten rules that non-forum goers don't know but the mods enforce, anyway? (Like the rule I recently learned of that all Recap/ pages must be contain either summaries, or indices of summaries or be cut.)
About the description and the examples, there isn't a whole lot of info on the game yet, so they are sparse. I will try to expand them as new information becomes available, but right now, it's all I have.
One can create a work page for an "upcoming" work, but if it's a stub and it can't be expanded within 3 days it will be cut. The problem is that unreleased works usually don't have enough info for a good work page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Mastermind Rational
That game will probably go onto Kickstarter in observable future, so there will be plenty of info on it long before release—just not within three days. With that in mind, I fail to see what harm is done by a single brief page staying in its proper namespace until then. In fact, such attitude to stubs was the reason I quit German Wikipedia, where they cut all pages that aren't at least five pages long with fifty citations at the time of creation. Are we also heading that way?
Speaking of which—if we're already cutting pages that don't conform to some "good work page" criteria, we really need those criteria written down somewhere for future reference. The closest I can find is Work Pages Are a Free Launch, and it just says that good pages are not stubs and stubs are not good pages.
edited 30th Jan '15 3:59:19 AM by Koveras
Sorcerer in training
Pages are no longer automatically locked when cut. So there's no need for a 'placeholder' page to stay if it's not up to standards.
The Sandbox page isn't a rule or guideline, but it falls into the realm of "highly recommended" for works that haven't been released/had adequate information released yet. Since they're supposed to be works-in-progress/rough drafts, they don't have to conform to the no-stub rule.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Mastermind Rational
I get what you're saying but this still needs to be written down. How hard can it be to start a Administrivia.Stubs page?
I will backup the page to the Sandbox namespace, but I respectfully ask that the old page remains where it is for the entirety of three days it is allowed to stay per our Unwritten But Binding Policy(tm)—just in case Fargo is gonna surprise the fans with new reveals before then.
edited 30th Jan '15 4:50:48 AM by Koveras
An extra worklist:
- Equality Sue: Badly spelled stub page without YKTTW we can probably do without (it's both likely to become a soapbox and connected to the Mary Sue firebottle); the creator has been suspended.
- Heavy D: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Persona EG: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- Stevie Riks: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- VanossGaming: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- The Wedding Ringer: Stub work page; creator messaged.
- UsefulNotes.Haakon VII: ~Eilevgmyhren, that page needs indexing and to mention some works he's appeared in; we don't make Useful Notes pages for everything.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman