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Appeals to the troper hivemind...
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Premium Irritation: Somebody Servbot: Troper by name of punhaver turned Pink Girl Blue Boy into a redirect of Red Oni Blue Oni with no discussion despite the fact that they're different tropes. Can't revert beck. Need help. Same troper is threatening to do the same with TomboyAndGirlyGirl Pro-Mole: So, why did the search go completely offline now? Madrugada Another attack via the site text-search. Satanic Hamster: I've tried to cut this page: Lord Of The Rings. It refuses to be cut. Has this page somehow gained immorality? I want it cut for a few reasons. The proper name for that work is The Lord Of The Rings and were several satellite pages spread out between The Lord Of The Rings and Lord Of The Rings' pages. I copied and pasted those pages to The Lord Of The Rings to make surfing around those pages a bit easier. Janitor: It's a useful redirect for people who are less sensitive about using the exact title. Right on the border of fussiness, to insist on the 'The'. Satanic Hamster: I think I should've been a bit more specific. I'm advocating cutting, WMG/LordOfTheRings not Lord Of The Rings. I'm bit of a neat freak at times. Looney Toons: Okay, that's weird. I zapped that yesterday at lunchtime. It's still there? Madrugada Look at the page your first link delivers you to, Satanic Hamster: it's been made into a redirect to The Lord Of The Rings.. Satanic Hamster: Uh, I know that. What I don't understand, I requested SugerWiki/LordOFTheRings and JustBugsMe/LordOfTheRings to be cut and they got cut. However, WMG/LordOfTheRings just doesn't get cut. Those cut pages I mentioned did have redirects at one time. I do not understand why this is so. If it's some obscure policy concerning that, I would love to read a detailed explanation. For me, it's just to reduce the amount of hits with the search. I actually didn't know there were other satellite pages for The Lord Of The Rings until I looked closely at search page. I know Babylon Five has a similar problem. Rogue 7: How does one go about putting up a review for a work that doesn't have a link to the "Reviews" bit in the top bar? Because I want to do one for The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button and I don't see that option. Janitor Edited the article (you have to change something; add a space or something) and use the "This article describes:" thing to set it a "a work". The reviews link will show up after you save. Freezair For A Limited Time: There seems to be a bit of an Edit War going on over the Spyro The Dragon page between someone named Beta Ray and a couple others. He deleted the Award Bait Song example a couple times (though seems to have stopped) and now seems to be fighting over Synthesizerizitis (though it can be objectively said that original games relied heavily on synth music), and attempting to be a fandom mouthpiece. Any word on what to do? Jack Butler: What is the official stance on an editor injecting his own political views into a politically charged trope page? User 69.47.217.100, who apparently calls himself Chuck G according to what he left on the discussion page, has insisted on promoting his own political views on Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters, an article I tried to make as apolitical as possible for such a thing when I launched it. Pro-Mole: I can't help bu wonder: why none of the other index pages are auto-indexable like Trivia? That'd be lots of practical... Micah: It's not quite the only one: Troper Tales, Laconic Wiki, and Quotes Wiki work that way too. I think it happens on all the indices that span entire namespaces and were created sufficiently recently (I seem to recall auto-index code being created specifically to deal with the ballooning Troper Tales index). Pro-Mole: So, what are the odds of we having a total revamp on WMG and Just Bugs Me for some quick indexing? I've seen poor orphaned pages around that deserved a place there... Cryptic Mirror: What is the cut off date on Older Than Radio, the discussion page gives 1888 but many page examples are younger? The Other Wiki gives the first "As we know it" broadcast being 1906 Freezair For A Limited Time: OK, I've wondered this for a while now. Why do some usernames, or collections of letters and numbers that are probably not IP addresses, sometimes show up in orange the way IP addresses do whenever an Unknown Troper makes an edit? Lizzie:How do you upload an image? Freezair For A Limited Time: "Tools -> Image Uploader" on the sidebar. Looney Toons: Does anyone else have a problem with Grognor 76.3.185.225's jihad against "This Troper"? I've noticed that he's not often bothering to rewrite examples with the offending words, instead deleting them outright. Freezair For A Limited Time: Me too, if it counts for anthing. Nate The Great: I can understand being against the usage of This Troper as a substitute for a name, but if he's removing entire examples just because he's ticked; he's a jerk. Is substituting "one troper" really so much work? Willy Four Eyes: Wiki Vandal spotted at 81.83.216.179. Offense: blanking the Let's Play page and replacing it with "this page sucks". Motion to terminate? Looney Toons: Seconded. Neo Chaos: Brought this up in the forum Premium Irritation: Somebody apparently took it upon themselves to make some rather petty edits to the Survival Of The Fittest page. Here Mullon: I don't know why, but sometimes when I'm typing in the editing box, it scrolls down so what I'm typing is at the very bottom. Any ideas why? Freezair For A Limited Time: ...OK, what? Some Bluenose Bowdlerizer went through the Perverse Sexual Lust Video Games and changed about half the examples, including creating nonsense redlinks like "Memetic Paragon." The edit history in question. Zadia: How do alternate titles work? Freezair For A Limited Time: Alternate titles are redirects. If you make a redirect for a page (by using the redirect markup available on the "Wiki Markup" page), then in about an hour or so, the maitinence widget that adds alternate titles to pages will come along and auto-add it. Zadia: Thank you. Mullon: I asked this before, but would it be wrong to overwrite everything in Hey Its That Voice and replace it with one giant list of everybody by their last names? Madrugada. I'd suggest keeping it separated by media and in folders, rather than lumping it all together; but separating it by voice actor's name is fine. Mullon: But that leads to redundancy. I was hoping amking one giant list would avoid having the same people emntioned over and over again. Roy Campbell has been mentioned so many times... Madrugada: Hmmm... There is that. Put everyone's entries together under their name but separate out the names by the predominant medium? There are only a few who really cross over into several media as far as I could see, but there are a lot of entries that mention the character's name but not the voice actor's, so there may be far more than I think. How about separating out those who really only work in one medium by medium? Mullon: I don't know...certainly it would work for the Anime section and some of the older Western Animation folks. But it would tear apart the Videogame section. And then there would be fights about what someone is more well known for and there would still be redundancies. I still don't really see what is wrongwith one giant list. Sure it would be different, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The only thing I feel bad about was that I had to cut out all the times someone listed a show instead of a specific person and didn't give much detail. I wonder if this is something that the forum would be helpful with, or maybe I should listen to the policy of The Other Wiki and Be Bold. Madrugada: Be Bold, and do it the way you think will work the best. I'm not a gamer, so I tend to not be terribly conscious of the Games Sections. And don't feel bad about cutting incorrect or useless examples. If the trope is about people and all that's listed is a show, don't worry, just cut it. Enlong: What's going on with the newly-formed Trivia section? It's an interesting concept, but precious few of the pages discuss actual trivia, while the rest seem to have been used as a dumping ground for examples from the recently blanked IAmNotMakingThsUp pages, utterly devoid of context. What gives? It seems like a massive cleanup of the section is in order. Pro-Mole: seconded. I didn't understand what Trivia was supposed to be about... Freezair For A Limited Time: Someone keeps going around and trying to change pages that have been redirected to their "original" forms. They tried to change Moe back to Moe Moe (which isn't the proper term) and someone else (possibly unrelated) keeps trying to restore the merged Papa Wolf page, which became part of Mama Bear. lee4hmz: 71.165.122.216 was the one responsible for the vandalism on Moe; looks like he/she/it also Starscream: What the hell is with the sudden rush of pages being deleted? Is someone trying to turn us into Wikipedia-lite or something? ninjacrat: Everybody drink! Starscream: Haha. I want a serious answer. Rissa: Which pages? Ethereal Mutation: A user at 74.76.189.55 Gemmifer: Does anyone have an explanation for this: I uploaded the Spiegelman strip as a picture for Tough Act To Follow. The picture shows up much smaller than the one on my computer. Why could that be? I would try again, but I think the same would happen and I don't want to clutter. Janitor: All images are restricted by the system to 350px width if they appear on a wiki page. A link to the image you uploaded will be full size. Perhaps the point you wish to illustrate can be serviced in that way. Gemmifer: Alright, I cut out the first panel. Thanks! Rothul: Slight issue with search engine, don't know if it's a one thing or maybe a symptom of a larger issue: Searching for '30 Rock' (no quotes), brings up no results. However, when you search for 'Rock' (no quotes), 30 Rock (as written, but punctuated title) is the first link shown. Pro-Mole: pmWiki's article titles cannot start with a number, unless it's a punctuated title. You should be looking for 'Thirty Rock'. Micah: So, I'm trying to categorize my watchlist using the new drop-down thingy, and there's some pages I don't know what to do with:
Clever Pun: How do you add the alt titles box to the top of a page? I know how to make a redirect to a page, but this doesn't seem to be anywhere else. Janitor: It happens automatically. A thing runs once an hour that adds the new ones. Rothul: Incredibly minor issue, but could someone with access edit the Home Page to add the four dash line ("- - - -") above the index box? Having a line there seems to be the aesthetic standard for most other pages. Rebochan: We're having trouble with the anon at IP 67.159.41.120 blanking the Fallen Creator page and discussion, plus constantly removing the Sonic entry. lee4hmz: And now he's put in bad-faith cut requests on both Fallen Creator and Polygon Ceiling. I sense that some Sonic Fan Dumb s to blame here. Janitor: Block installed. Freezair For A Limited Time: Aaaand s/he's at it again with a new IP. Janitor: Please specify IP address and specific page. Komodin: This time, it's 67.159.5.76. S/he/it cutlisted Ruined FOREVER. His/Her/Its "justification" is that, and I quote, "Thos trope sucks." Janitor: Thanks. Block installed. There actually are issues to examine here. Page-blanking is an automatic ban, of course. Ethereal Mutation: Again at 66.90.104.63. Fallen Creator. Janitor: Block installed. lee4hmz: If anything, he's persistent. All those I Ps are owned by fdcservers.net; I think it may be time to get their abuse department involved, since this makes it three times and he's also been threatening people (however shallow, it's not something I'd tolerate). Freezair For A Limited Time: I can't tell if s/he's serious or a troll. (Well, s/he's obviously a troll, but I meant an intentional one.) Their insults are so friggin' ridiculous that they're impossible to take in serious malice. lee4hmz: The language is almost like /b/tard-speak, and the pages in question all have some mention of the later Sonic games on them, so my mental image is of a tweenage Insufferable Genius that hasn't learned the meaning of tolerance quite yet. So Yeah, I'm probably overreacting a bit, but just knowing that Trolly-kun probably got grounded for a week would be fine by me. :D Komodin: "Somdosk" returned? Oh dear, what did s/he/it do this time? lee4hmz: Same thing as usual; blanking Fallen Creator (and cutlisting it again, I've noticed), blanking the discussion page, and saying things like "I'LL KILL YOU FAGGOTS" and "STOP REVERTING ME OR ELSE" when people revert his edits. Komodin: After looking over the latest edits for Fallen Creator, I'm left utterly confused and appalled. Why did s/he/it target me and Rebochan for his childish mini-tirades? Komodin: Oh dear. Somdosk's back again... lee4hmz: And from an entirely different ISP this time, which means those are all open proxies — something we're going to have to check for in the future, it looks like. Janitor: Block installed. Saves a step if you note the IP Address here. Lee, how do you spot an open proxy? lee4hmz: I don't know all the details off the top of my head; it used to be that proxies hung out on port 8080 but other proxies may use different ports. I had a suspicion that the fdcservers.net IPs were possible open proxies after scanning them with nmap, and seeing a bunch of Windows services running (they did filter port 139, at least). Janitor: Not much to automate there. It seem like these nuisance people always have a selection of IP addresses to use. Wondering how they collect those. T Paradox: How do I start a new Crowner? I want to do a Page Action crowner for Distaff Counterpart, since it's been suggested that it should have a more gender neutral title. (I previously Blue Shifted the Spear Counterpart link into a redirect to it, but that doesn't seem enough). Fast Eddie: Click a crowmer of the type you want (here's one Morgan Wick: Idea: Have a link to TV Tropes Forum on the forum's front page. Would be useful for newbies to know what each forum is for. Fast Eddie: That's in. Mullon: Idea: Have a link to those polls where the title gets changed appear on the page that's getting it's title changed. Like, if you want change the title for a trope, you type the trope into a box and an icon appears on that page.
Enlong: Why is it that instances of show up as if they were redlinks? Fast Eddie: See this thread Starscream: What happened to the "search for term in the body of an article" part of the search function? I refuse to use the Google search for my own reasons, and besides, the wiki's custom one is a lot more precise. If it's gone permanently, I am not going to be a happy troper. Madrugada: Some (deleted) has been attempting a D Do S using full-text site-search flooding (to the tune of 10 to 15 Thousand search requests per second). The full search has been disabled until Fast Eddie comes up with a solution. See this thread in the forums for details Pro-Mole: Anyway to indicate that a launched page is a redirect to another in the "New Edits" view? I'm tired of clicking those interesting titles only to find out they're just redirects to older tropes I've already seen(and hasn't changed much since). Freezair For A Limited Time: Did somebody get the liscence plate number of that truck? * Fast Eddie: Under investigation. Not a very satisfying answer, but the best we've got right now. UPDATE: Someone is running a script that is hammering the search utility with 10's of 1000's of search requests per second. Search will be down until we find all the IP addresses they are operating from and block them. Freezair For A Limited Time: A D.o.S. attack, or just someone being an incredible douche? Mullon: Oh God, I've been wandering around here for days looking for someone else. Just going from link to link looking for some signs of life. T Paradox: So I got tired of being a redlink, and made myself a contributor's page. But even though I put myself on the Contributors' Pages index page, the bottom of my page still shows that I'm unplaced. Did I do something wrong, or does it take the server a while on this?
Seanette: Again, does Why Did It Have To Be Snakes really need a page image? I know I'm not the only severe ophidiophobe around, and would appreciate at least some warning about pages that are going to be too scary to use in normal view mode. Madrugada: I removed it, again, and added yet another request that no image be put on that page. I'm afraid, Seanette, that you're up against people who really have no idea what a phobia feels like. I've added it to my watchlist, so hopefully, I'll catch any more images before our phobics do. Seanette: I do appreciate it, Madrugada (and thanks also to Micah for pitching in on this one). I'm sure other ophidiophobes on the site do, too. Freezair For A Limited Time: What happened to that "folder the image" thing? Looney Toons: (rolls eyes) <deadpan>Oooh, I share Nikola Tesla's phobia of human hair. I demand every picture of someone who isn't bald be removed from the wiki so that I am not inadvertently frightened.</deadpan> Sorry, I'm not sympathetic. If you have a snake phobia, why are you going to a page about snakes? Rebochan: Seriously. Why should the page be altered for a handful of people? There's things I have fears of (though not clinical phobias). I avoid them. I don't always succeed, but I don't get upset if I clicked a page with that in the title. That page should be allowed to have an image. Seanette: There is useful information on the page (which is NOT exclusively about snakes. Looney, just has an overly-specific title), but you'd ban several tropers from going there just so you can have your picture? How kind and thoughtful of you. Remind me to find something you're afraid of and shove it in your face and then show no human compassion about the matter. After all, allowing for another human being's weaknesses is just so unreasonable. Rebochan: We're not shoving anything in your face. Did I send you an e-mail of disguised snake photos? No. I don't see the point of stripping a trope page about phobias of an actual image of relevance just because some people have a phobia. At the very least, I see no reason why it can't be foldered instead of things like obscuring the link or even hiding access to it. An actual clinical phobia, in other words, a mental illness that directly impacts quality of life, is not an extremely common phenomenon. Accusing people of having no compassion for pointing that out is childish. Fast Eddie: Chill. We just don't need images that much — squicky or otherwise. Not worth a fuss. Earnest: Interesting. The Quotes Wiki markup for Didn't See That Coming has it as the "first" trope, right before A Date With Rosie Palms, and it doesn't appear on Quotes Wiki at all. I'm guessing the ptitle is throwing it off. Goliathus: I'm a bit chuffed, or a bit confused. It seems that the initial titles (MGS 2/3/4, MGS) have been cut, creating over a hundred redlinks in their wake... But I can't access the discussion about the cuts. It just seems to have vanished. I don't even recall their being any support aside from the nominator, but it was only Madrugada and I when I last saw. Also, I can't find the policy where "Initialism" is described as bad form. So, was there a huge discussion and opinion swayed? And if so, where? Is it lost forever? Micah: For policy, see here (under "adding redirects"), here (near the bottom—"don't use acronyms for show titles"), and here. Rissa: Is there a correct way to do potholes in folder titles? The one for 'Ash's Father' on Grand Unifying Guesses is messed up, it looks similar to how the AC: folder titles would mess up the Close button. Fast Eddie: There shouldn't be a link of any sort in a folder label. I removed that one. CanvasWolfDoll is it considered in bad taste to make a page for one's own webcomic? Fast Eddie: Nope. Writing up a work and listing the tropes used by it are what we're for. Remember, though, it's a description, not a review. Editable by anyone. Pro-Mole: Is there a way to find the red links for a Cut List entry? I'm trying to find the ones for RetConned to fix them alreadt, but a search for "retconned" finds all the references to the term, not only the links. Rissa: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/RetConned Rebochan: The Batman And Robin Edit War just. Never. Ends. *bangs head into wall* If the movie isn't that big a deal, why is this one person so focused on reverting the article over and over? And then repeatedly by her own admission refusing to ever stop? Madrugada An edit war does take two. You aren't entirely innocent, either. fleb: Hey I'll admit I wasn't exactly 'innocent' either, but Rebochan and I both at least tried to work out the disagreement by talking with EM, like wiki-editors are presumably supposed to do, and instead of getting the same courtesy we were repeatedly ignored. It was...frustrating. (Hopefully it's all moot now. Micah: At the moment, the wiki doesn't let you write reviews of things from the "works not in nice indexes" section of the Works page. Is this likely to change? If not, that section should probably be split off into its own index so people have somewhere to review theater/game systems/ccgs/etc. Kizor: Okay, we have a problem. There's an article of a webcomic, Dominic Deegan. The comic has an immense Broken Base and a large Hatedom, but the article has been getting along without much of a hassle. For instance, the description links to a strip and gives both its intended interpretation (cartoon slapstick violence) and its creative misinterpretation (serial murder) to illustrate the difference in viewpoints. Admittedly, my work. That was until today, when ULALA ( 70.255.207.18 ) zapped all the tropes critical of the comic and cut off the description at the part where it mentioned criticism, removed the hatedom fanon "caste system" from the characters page and straightforwardly vandalized the It Just Bugs Me page by replacing it with "hurrdurr this comic sucks, I'm going to write thirty pages of fanfiction snarking on it (I say snark because british ppl do and british ppl are soooo cool!)". Selior then restored the lost material in the main article. I'm going to fix the rest. ULALA had previously vandalized Protectors Of The Plot Continuum to insult the authours of that Shared Universe. These are his only contributions. Fast Eddie: Block installed. Kizor: Thank you. Unfortunately 70.216.105.58 is now at it with the edit reason "reverting faggotry Inkblot: I moved this here from It Just Bugs Me: The fact that Complaining About Shows You Don't Like (along with the discussion page) was removed bugs me.
Gemmifer: *Sigh* I seem to always be asking about stuff that is considered self-evident. Anyway: How do I add the little "reviews" button to a page? Fast Eddie: The page should get one automatically if it is on one of the indexes listed on the Works page. Sometimes it can take up to a half hour for a new page to be recognized by that system. If your works page isn't picking a up a review link, let me know which page it is. Gemmifer: It is for Limyaaels Fantasy Rants. Which is indexed under Books On Trope. I added that index to the Works index a few hours ago but the reviews button still doesn't show up. Gemmifer: Alright, thanks a lot! Rogue 7: Is there a way to delete images once they're uploaded? I have a really wonky way of cropping pictures to fit, and so I uploaded a few extraneous ones that'd just take up space. Fast Eddie: Not really. There is a thing that come along every six months or so and deletes images that are not referred to on a page. Mullon: Is there a code of conduct for a gross overhaul of a trope, or can you just go ahead and do it? Looney Toons: It's polite — but by no means mandatory — to discuss what you're going to do on the discussion page, especially if you're going to be doing some major revision work. You don't usually need to do that for something like sorting, categorizing and foldering examples, though. Mullon: Well, it doesn't matter now, someone beat me to it. Now I'm debating the merits of overwriting someone's overwrite. Citizen: Hey, It's That Voice!, right? Mullon: Yep. last batch removed 2 May 09 |
