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openFake Brit and Voice Acting
On Trivia.Valkyria Chronicles, troper gjjones deleted a Fake Brit entry with this edit reason:
To knowledge, unlike Dawson Casting, which is strictly live action, Fake Brit (and related tropes) can be applied to voice acting since it is about hearing an accent than physical appearance. Any other thoughts on this?
openPossible edit war
On YMMV.Touken Ranbu Warriors (and it's previous name Touken Ranbu Musuo):
- Troper biggestSoap added an Esoteric Happy Ending entry on its previous name before I moved it.
- I removed it, citing this comment on the "Is this an Example" thread".
- Soap added it again (albeit rewritten) on the new named page.
I'm not sure if edit warring counts when a page is moved from its original language title to one that is officially localized so I wish to know.
Edited by Ayumi-chanopenCrosswicking RL
Just making sure the exact policy on this one. Since plenty of trope pages allow Real Life examples, but you're not supposed to trope a creator's personal life, does that mean you're not allowed to cross-wick the RL examples from the trope page when it pertains to people who have Creator/ pages?
openCoolNickNack (again)
In a previous query I reported Cool Nick Nack for continuing to make Example Indentation errors despite notifiers, and apparently they were suspended. However they're still editing and still making indentation mistakes, in particular tacking on "sub-bullets" like replies or extensions of the previous example. And it's not as if they don't know how to indent properly either, as shown by this edit.
openEpic Fail
Today, I found that Tropers/kuchiki222 moved the content of several subpages for Epic Fail to the main page, specifically the pages for Comic Books, Comic Strips, Animated Films, Literature, Tabletop Games, Web Animation, and Web Original. Later, Stalker Gamer removed the links to those pages. Was this discussed anywhere? Neither of them left an edit reason.
openPage for an Abandoned Project
I found this page, Rebuild Of Pocket Monsters The Animation, which seems to be about a webcomic that only had two or three pages drawn before it got abandoned. I noticed that the page was made in May 2020 and that the Tumblr that page links to was last updated in June 2020, meaning that it was made by a troper who got hyped up by an ambitious project that quickly got cancelled before it actually went anywhere. This means that the page is almost exclusively troping Word of God tumblr posts about future ideas and plans that were never drawn.
My question is that do we keep a page for an abandoned project? Do tumblr asks and some page sketches and character drawings give enough tropable material for a page?
openHeavy-handed "badge of honor" troping Live Action TV
rr3elite appears to have a major Single-Issue Wonk focused on showing off the villainy of the character Zein from Kamen Rider Outsiders and their appearances in other Kamen Rider media, including this week's episode of Kamen Rider Gotchard. I initially reported them on ATT before for shoehorning in Fan Myopia-laden comparisons to other works through misuse of various tropes, but it is now clear that was a symptom of a much bigger wonk, mostly afflicting Zein's sheet, the page for Outsiders itself, and various pages for Gotchard (YMMV, antagonists sheet, Nightmare Fuel, #33's recap) where Zein's appearance is concerned.
I haven't sent any notifiers because there's too many offending edits to comb through, but a lot of their edits consist of what they have previously been reported for, plus Bold Inflation, countless sentence structure and grammar errors, and "look at how horrible this person is" examples. They also added Speculative Troping examples to Gotchard #33's recap suggesting Zein would have had a darker and more dramatic role in the episode, when in reality he only appears to kill one of the unambiguously-evil villains in the episode and leaves just as quickly to promote Outsiders.
I'm not sure if this is a policy violation in its own right, but I cannot deny in good faith that it is starting to compromise their writing and thus the quality of the pages they are editing.
Edited by TrocyteVopenWhat can I use for example images Anime
Hi there! Long time lurker, newbie editor of pages. I decided to do a baby step of fixing some dead links on the *K-ON!* page. However, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly is fine to use as an example image. Are archive.org okay to use, or is first-hand source preferred? I was able to replace one with another example image (since they demonstrated the same thing), but some of the others don't have exact replacements. I have found an archive log of one example, but am unsure if I could use it.
Also, what should I do if a link is dead, and I can't replace it? Three out of four video links have since been deleted, unclear if by copyright or by the user, so I'm worried I might not be able to find replacements. Should I remove the links if I can't?
[PS: if one could redirect me to a source that explains this, it would be much appreciated. ^^ I've tried but I didn't find one as of typing this]
openHow do gendered redirects work?
Say I wanted to suggest "Anti-Education Papa" as a redirect for Anti-Education Mama. Is there some place I could go to do that?
openDiscarded draft
Has this draft been rouge nuked? It has plenty of hats (almost twice as many as bombs), it wasn't discarded by the sponsor, and the person who discarded it didn't say anything nor has had any discussion in the draft before.
Skimming over it, I don't seem to see anything bad enough to warrant an immediate discard; perhaps some concerns about misuse and bringing up aesop tropes going to the TRS, but other than that based on the hats it may have been doing decently. Am I missing something?
openUploading Format Mistake
I accidentally uploaded a sizable batch of images as .webp instead of .png like they were intended. And TV Tropes isn't compatible with webp, including keeping them out of the image list page, so I'm not sure how to delete them. (Darn Wikia, converting them to that useless format...)
I don't upload images that often, so I'm not sure what to do in this situation.
openPage needs renaming
I noticed the page for Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea goes by a translation of the film's Japanese name, when in English it's known as just Ponyo. TV Tropes has a policy of going by a work's official English name whenever possible. The normal solution would of course be to manually change everything myself, but I don't know if I'll have the time or resources to do everything. Is it possible to tell a moderator to do this for me? Thanks in advance.
I should also mention the film has a bunch of subpages that go by Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea and need changing as well.
Edited by SparkPlugTheTroperopenEdit war over the terms "performer" and "player"
I think an edit war happened on Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus over the terms "performer" and "player" when refering to the main protagonists:
On 16 October 2023, immblueversion changed the main protagonists' section header from "The Performers" to "Players".
On 18 October 2023, RandomInformation changed it to just "Performers", as "[they] believe they're more often described as this".
On 26 April 2024, immblueversion changed said section header, and every instance of the word "performer" on the page, to "player", with the reasoning that "[t]he "performers" don't actually perform at the circus, so it's an obsolete term".
So, which term should be used for the main protagonists? "Performer" or "player"? "Performer" is the term used more often by the fans, but it's a misnomer, given that they don't perform in the Circus. "Player" would be a more accurate term, but it isn't used as much.
resolved Not sure if it's an edit war, but...
DR34DN0UGHT has added an iffy piece of text to a Tainted by the Preview on this page, then added a similar-sounding paragraph after much of the entry was cut down for being a ROCEJ violation.
open2 Strange discussion posts on Kingdom of Heaven
Chet120 did something weird on Kingdom of Heaven 's page. (EDIT: Its Discussion page)
For context: this is a film set in Jerusalem during the Crusades. It was also controversial at the time it came out, because it portrays the Muslims mostly as good guys and the Christians, except for the main character, as bad(der) guys; and this came out relatively soon after 9-11.
Chet 120's first post was an insanely long list of what they claim is history. Their 2nd post is even more bizarre, and seems to consist of conspiracy theories, and to be politics-based. Also to maybe attract visitors to his website? (because he also states his, I assume Real-Life, name).
None of this has anything to do with the movie itself, or tropes. The user also is quite new, and has made 0 edits of the Wiki.
I sent them a PM, but it seemed serious enough to also mention here.
Edited by LB7979openMajor Real Life Troping on Dear Zachary
This is a documentary that while using some tropey (As when Zachary's death is announced and the screed turns red and an scream is heard) stuff to convey the horror of what happened, is pretty much just the Real Life case with absolutely ZERO narrative reframing. It's just the case being conveyed with no narrative re enactments.
And tropers naturally could not resist treating like a piece of fiction in really ghastly ways, most notably the "DONT READ BELOW IF YOU WANNA WATCH UNSPOILED" and commenting on factual footage from Real Life as if it was a horror movie.
I was going to bring this up in the thread but I dont know what thred we use for this.
EDIT: Guys I REALLY appreciate the thumbs up I got but I have to remind you it does absolutely nothing. Please just post here and help me figure out what to do here.
Edited by AegisPopenExamples Are Not Arguable clarification
It's always been my understanding that the intention behind Examples Are Not Arguable is to state that either something is an example of a trope, or it isn't an example, and that entries that read along the lines of "X/Y is arguably an example of this trope" should be clarified or deleted.
However, lately I've noticed several instances of users seemingly interpeting the policy to mean that the words "arguable", "arguably" and other variants thereof aren't allowed to be used on the site in any context short of directly quoting a work, even on YMMV or Darth Wiki pages. Is this a correct reading of the policy, especially given that YMMV tropes are by their very nature something that people are going to potentially argue over?
openEdit War Live Action TV
- On the YMMV page of Kamen Rider Gotchard
- ddyingle added a lot of Natter on various elements of the page.
- I removed all of them and sent them a notifier.
- Not only did they re-add one of them in a different place, but they added more instances despite the notifier I sent them.
I have reason to believe Wilben unilaterally and prematurely took down several images as per the current Moments Images cleanup crowner. Should they be restored for at least the next few days? And what, if anything, should we do with Wilben?
Edited by JHD0919