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TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3452: Oct 22nd 2014 at 3:49:25 AM

Well, who else is commonly associated with alcohol and big round jugs?

Shinji works well with Werewolf. Under right circumstances, shy and meek; under wrong circumstances, a ferocious berserk.

Rei... Her being a doll creates a mental image of, when Asuka calls her a doll meaning that as an insult, Rei replies with a flat "yes", perceiving that as a statement of fact. I also like the ideas of a ghost or a yuki-onna. On the other hand, playing off her contrast with Kaworu might also be nice, thus making an angel (of which I'm fond) or a succubus (of which I'm not so fond) also a viable choice.

I would suggest first defining Kaworu's race, and then working from there. If he's a vampire, then Rei automatically has no (additional) reasons of being an angel or a succubus. If Kaworu is not a vampire, then the choice depends on how much their "kin" status comes into play, and which side of it.

I don't like dragon-type races, but I like centaurs even less. Besides, the tiger-dragon rivalry is a good point. So yeah, Asuka works well as a dragon-type. Or possibly some sort of a Salamander.

Mari... Cat-type is obvious. Kitsune is less obvious, but also viable. I would go for it for the "not obvious" factor alone - but then, it depends on what story you're trying to tell.

No comment on Mayumi. I might or might not have a few ideas for people other than Mana, Hikari and Bridge Bunnies.

Speaking of which, are Gendo and Fuyutsuki a factor, and how much?

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#3453: Oct 22nd 2014 at 8:42:39 AM

No comment on Mayumi.

Sphinx.

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#3454: Oct 22nd 2014 at 11:02:41 AM

... I'm kinda waiting for more of the story to be posted. ^^;
<Face Palm>

I really should've guessed.

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#3455: Oct 22nd 2014 at 11:10:21 AM

Didn't I tell you it's not enough to comment on? grin

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#3456: Oct 22nd 2014 at 11:16:24 AM

Tche.

I might have more to share tonight.

Or I might spend all evening watching let's plays of Fire Emblem Geneology of the Holy War. No telling at this point.

Hey. As maybe one of you might know, I also have an Evangelion x Kamen Rider Decade thing that exists. Currently, I need to finish writing the story arc for Kamen Rider Amazon, but regarding the eventual story arc of Kamen Rider Kabuto, I have a question.

In Kamen Rider Kabuto, the show's protagonist, Souji Tendou has a Catchphrase he uses to introduce himself, based on his own name:

"One who walks the path of heaven. Ruler of all."

Given that Shinji (who in the fic is Kamen Rider Decade) would inevitably cross fists with Kabuto at least once, I was thinking of Shinji on-the-spot coming up with a similar line to try and mock Tendou.

"Destroyer of everything. The son of God."

Based off of something I saw where "Shinji Ikari" can apparently be read as "wrath/anger of the divine child". Add in that whoever holds the Decade powers is functionally the Destroyer of Worlds ("Sekkai no hakkaisha, Decade")...

Thoughts?

edited 22nd Oct '14 11:32:25 AM by EvaUnit01

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3457: Oct 22nd 2014 at 12:20:23 PM

Well, I shouldn't be the one to comment, because to me it's all so much posing and waving of genitals.

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#3459: Oct 22nd 2014 at 1:11:39 PM

Well, who else is commonly associated with alcohol and big round jugs?
... That's actually a surprisingly fitting way of genderflipping the tanuki stereotypical depiction. This bears some thinking over.

Shinji works well with Werewolf. Under right circumstances, shy and meek; under wrong circumstances, a ferocious berserk.
Yeah, though this could work with other types of predatory werebeasts, so long as the Lunacy factor is retained.

Rei... Her being a doll creates a mental image of, when Asuka calls her a doll meaning that as an insult, Rei replies with a flat "yes", perceiving that as a statement of fact.
I have to admit, I wasn't actually thinking of this hilarious situation when I assigned this monster type to Rei. Good call.

I also like the ideas of a ghost or a yuki-onna. On the other hand, playing off her contrast with Kaworu might also be nice, thus making an angel (of which I'm fond) or a succubus (of which I'm not so fond) also a viable choice.
"Contrast with Kaworu", as in both are of the same type but behave differently?

I would suggest first defining Kaworu's race, and then working from there. If he's a vampire, then Rei automatically has no (additional) reasons of being an angel or a succubus. If Kaworu is not a vampire, then the choice depends on how much their "kin" status comes into play, and which side of it.
Your suggestion will be taken into account.

I don't like dragon-type races, but I like centaurs even less.
Why?

Besides, the tiger-dragon rivalry is a good point. So yeah, Asuka works well as a dragon-type. Or possibly some sort of a Salamander.
Dragons with elemental affinities are a thing, you know. I could easily have Asuka be a fire-elemental dragon, whose race adores volcanoes as a place to live in.

Mari... Cat-type is obvious. Kitsune is less obvious, but also viable. I would go for it for the "not obvious" factor alone - but then, it depends on what story you're trying to tell.
Kitsune is really obvious once you consider Cunning Like a Fox, the Japanese Shapeshifting Lover stories involving fox spirits, and then think about all those anime/manga trickster-type characters who rarely if ever open their eyes; those are described as "fox-faced" in Japanese terminology, IINM.

Really, doesn't Mari strike you as a mischievous trickster who loves to troll people as well as being a Ms. Fanservice and The Tease? Refer to Kanokon for a pretty good depiction of how such a fox-girl can be portrayed.

No comment on Mayumi. I might or might not have a few ideas for people other than Mana, Hikari and Bridge Bunnies.
I think I got some candidate races for Mayumi: ghost (if Rei isn't one), siren (either the mermaid kind or the original bird-woman kind; either way, melodic Compelling Voice is the distinguishing trait), .

Speaking of which, are Gendo and Fuyutsuki a factor, and how much?
A factor in what? The plot, you mean?

... Well, it depends on what the plot is. It could be an otherwise mundane High School AU that is more Daily Life With Monster Girls-style in nature. Or it could be like Xenogenesis Evangelion, where Second Impact is an event that triggered a worldwide phenomenon of subsequent births having a very high chance of being monster boys/girls. Or it could be something else entirely, like a human Shinji getting pulled out of his world in the wake of a disastrous worst-case scenario involving Leliel, and is thrown into a AU where there are alternate versions of the EVA cast, and most if not all of the females are monster-girls.

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#3460: Oct 22nd 2014 at 1:17:28 PM

Mari strikes me as an adrenaline junkie who probably enjoys trolling people, but I wouldn't think of her as a "trickster". You bring up Kitsunes and tricksters, and (rather obviously) the first character to come to my mind for that archetype is Mitsune Konno. And the closest equivalent to her that Evangelion has, would be Misato when she's off the clock.

like a human Shinji getting pulled out of his world in the wake of a disastrous worst-case scenario involving Leliel, and is thrown into a AU where there are alternate versions of the EVA cast, and most if not all of the females are monster-girls.
What, like a twisted mashup of Märchen Awakens Romance and Rosario + Vampire?

Anyway, any thoughts on my previous post, Marq?

edited 22nd Oct '14 1:20:06 PM by EvaUnit01

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3461: Oct 22nd 2014 at 1:39:15 PM

I think I got some candidate races for Mayumi: ghost (if Rei isn't one), siren (either the mermaid kind or the original bird-woman kind; either way, melodic Compelling Voice is the distinguishing trait), .

Hmm... never thought about her that way. I said sphinx above because of her bookworm nature logically implying "possessor of forbidden knowledge".

But Compelling Voice? You really liked her song, didn't you?

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#3462: Oct 22nd 2014 at 1:42:34 PM

Hrm... perhaps Hikari could be a Dullahan? <has resigned himself to the current topic>

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3463: Oct 22nd 2014 at 1:59:36 PM

Just for the reference, what I would consider incredibly badass is an exchange like this:

"I am the conqueror! The destroyer! The king of battle! You hope to protect something? You think you have a chance? Who do you think you are, daring to oppose me?"

"A family man."

Or just silently punching the boaster in the face.

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#3464: Oct 22nd 2014 at 2:08:13 PM

[up]Point, but not quite what I'm going for.

edited 22nd Oct '14 2:08:42 PM by EvaUnit01

TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#3465: Oct 22nd 2014 at 2:16:54 PM

A matter of preference. Anyway, this one goes to Marq.

"Contrast with Kaworu" - yeah, you could say that. Something along the lines of "just like there are different humans, so there are different {monster types}". Or maybe, something like "they might be half-siblings, but compare their {actions or traits}".

Why I don't like centaurs? Well, not centaurs per se, just centaur-type monster girls. For the same reason I don't like beans and pears - they don't appeal to me.

And I still refrain to comment on Mayumi, because I don't know anything about her. Beside the base "she's an NGE character". The similar reasons make me say: I defer Mari to your judgement.

Yes, Gendo's and Fuyutsuki's role in the plot. They might or might not fit a monster-type too.

And lastly (or maybe firstly):

... That's actually a surprisingly fitting way of genderflipping the tanuki stereotypical depiction. This bears some thinking over.
Wait, is that really the first time you've seen it? Haven't you heard of Touhou and their resident Tanuki? If that's the case, here's a link for you. And the name: Futatsuiwa Mamizou.

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#3466: Oct 22nd 2014 at 2:20:05 PM

A matter of preference. Anyway, this one goes to Marq.
While I do think there's something inherently cool about an understated reaction to an opponent's over-the-top badass boast, it doesn't really fit thematically with the universe in question. That pretty much constitutes the entirety of my objection.

Gendo: Incubus.

Also, it occurs to me that I don't think we've discussed Ritsuko, who would fit the Sphinx archetype considerably more than Mayumi would.

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#3467: Oct 23rd 2014 at 12:42:50 AM

Mari strikes me as an adrenaline junkie who probably enjoys trolling people, but I wouldn't think of her as a "trickster". You bring up Kitsunes and tricksters, and (rather obviously) the first character to come to my mind for that archetype is Mitsune Konno. And the closest equivalent to her that Evangelion has, would be Misato when she's off the clock.
Well, I guess I am rather influenced by how Mari's personality is commonly portrayed in fanfics and doujinshi, where she seems to utterly delight in getting under Asuka's skin the way Haruna Saotome and Mitsune Konno do to others in their respective works (especially when it comes to romance).

What, like a twisted mashup of Märchen Awakens Romance and Rosario + Vampire?
Not familiar with the former.

... Don't tell me that you're not familiar with EVA stories where Leliel's "devouring" of Unit 01 (and sometimes the nuking operation being pulled off before Yui goes Berserk) leads to Shinji being transported across dimensions to an alternate universe that is quite different from his to one degree or the other.

Anyway, any thoughts on my previous post, Marq?

Well, concerning this tidbit...

Based off of something I saw where "Shinji Ikari" can apparently be read as "wrath/anger of the divine child".

It's actually "divine child of wrath". In Japanese, the possessive works "backwards" compared to English.

Hmm... never thought about her that way. I said sphinx above because of her bookworm nature logically implying "possessor of forbidden knowledge".
Another suggestion to add to the list.

But Compelling Voice? You really liked her song, didn't you?
Actually, this dates back to an idea I had years ago when trying to come up with a fantasy character class that she could fit in. I read that she does a karaoke song in the ending of her game, and went Sure, Why Not?, making her a bard-like character. (It's actually more complicated than that, but it's neither here nor now.)

Hrm... perhaps Hikari could be a Dullahan? <has resigned himself to the current topic>
... You know, that could lead to hilarious comedy. Imagine it: Shinji, Asuka, Toji, and Kensuke visit the Horakis for some reason, and find Hikari's head sitting on the table in a grumpy state, complaining that she had tripped and spilled some juice all over herself, and her body had left her head there (Dullahan girls are quite prone to literally losing their heads due to sudden gains/loss of momentum) while it went off to get a change of clothes. She then suddenly starts blushing and struggling to maintain a steady breath, weakly deflecting all questions from her worried friends, and finally seizing up for a few seconds before going limp... well, as "limp" as a disembodied head can get.

Soon the door to Hikari's room opens, and her body walks out with a fresh set of clothes and a giddy skip in its step, with Hikari's head giving it a Death Glare for the rest of the day.

... What? Come on, you can't tell me that you don't sometimes think of regular Hikari as a Covert Pervert, can you?

Why I don't like centaurs? Well, not centaurs per se, just centaur-type monster girls. For the same reason I don't like beans and pears - they don't appeal to me.
... Oooohhh. I think now I get why.

And I still refrain to comment on Mayumi, because I don't know anything about her. Beside the base "she's an NGE character".
Add to it "genderlfipped Shinji" and "has a nice singing voice instead of talent with musical instruments", and you have the gist of her baseline character.

The similar reasons make me say: I defer Mari to your judgement.
Mari so far can be defined through her two most iconic scenes in the 2nd Rebuild film: Her Crash-Into Hello with Shinji, where she seems completely indifferent to the fact that she gave Shinji some Marshmallow Heaven and she has both No Sense of Personal Space and a strange fetish to the smell of LCL; and when she activates Unit 02's Beast Mode and goes Ax-Crazy Blood Knight with Glowing Eyes of Doom and a Slasher Smilenote  over Zeruel. (To no effect of course, but hey, it's the thought that counts!)

Yes, Gendo's and Fuyutsuki's role in the plot. They might or might not fit a monster-type too.
I'll think about it. Maybe Gendo would be some high-level type of demon — or a Half-Human Hybrid, to give him a Dark and Troubled Past that explains his general sociopathy and obsessive devotion to Yui (who in this case would be the first non-hybrid to show him genuine no-catches-at-all compassion).

Wait, is that really the first time you've seen it? Haven't you heard of Touhou and their resident Tanuki? If that's the case, here's a link for you. And the name: Futatsuiwa Mamizou.
Well, though I am rather familiar with Touhou, I never actually looked up Mamizou or other resident tanuki characters before. Loads And Loads Of Characters to consider, you know?

Gendo: Incubus.
A less sex-centric type of demon would probably be more fitting for him, but I'd probably end up naming it after Asmodeus the archdemon of lust anyway.

Also, it occurs to me that I don't think we've discussed Ritsuko, who would fit the Sphinx archetype considerably more than Mayumi would.
You are on to something here. <adds to list>

edited 23rd Oct '14 12:43:47 AM by MarqFJA

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#3468: Oct 23rd 2014 at 4:07:49 AM

I read that she does a karaoke song in the ending of her game, and went Sure, Why Not?, making her a bard-like character.

Not quite karaoke. If I understood the context correctly, the song was being recorded for a school event that gets canceled at the end of the episode due to the latest Angel attack.

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#3469: Oct 23rd 2014 at 6:51:38 AM

Well, I guess I am rather influenced by how Mari's personality is commonly portrayed in fanfics and doujinshi, where she seems to utterly delight in getting under Asuka's skin the way Haruna Saotome and Mitsune Konno do to others in their respective works (especially when it comes to romance).
Yeah, see, I consider that to be a point of contention. Mari, in my mind, is first and foremost associated with violence.

Not familiar with the former.
A fairytale otaku (voiced by Spike Spencer in the dub, no less!) gets to travel to a Fractured Fairy Tale world and be a shonen hero in it. It's a lot more awesome than I probably just made it sound. Anyway, due to being the first thing that introduced me to the Trapped in Another World trope (although in the case of MÄR, Ginta went there of his own choice with every intention of coming back at the conclusion of his adventure), I pretty much use the series as shorthand for "baseline human goes to a fantasy world and kicks all kinds of ass".

The series was created by Nobuyuki Anzai, the same dude behind Flame of Recca.

... Don't tell me that you're not familiar with EVA stories where Leliel's "devouring" of Unit 01 (and sometimes the nuking operation being pulled off before Yui goes Berserk) leads to Shinji being transported across dimensions to an alternate universe that is quite different from his to one degree or the other.
I'm actually writing such a story, though I don't believe you ever read it. (actually has 4-ish chapters of it posted on ffnet). Anyway, the above pretty much explains why I brought up MÄR, particularly because one of the fairytale characters in it (Princess Snow) is an Identical Stranger to Ginta's cute lady friend/mutual crush Koyuki.

It's actually "divine child of wrath". In Japanese, the possessive works "backwards" compared to English.
Huh.

... What? Come on, you can't tell me that you don't sometimes think of regular Hikari as a Covert Pervert, can you?
Yes, actually, I can tell you exactly that. I don't sometimes think of Hikari as a Covert Pervert. She's always struck me as being non-hypocritically conservative conservative about such things.

edited 23rd Oct '14 7:24:03 AM by EvaUnit01

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#3470: Oct 23rd 2014 at 11:59:26 AM

Yeah, see, I consider that to be a point of contention. Mari, in my mind, is first and foremost associated with violence.
Inside an Eva, yeah. But I'm talking outside the Evas, where she never shows any tendency towards violence.

Did you know that she loves drinking tea? Inside her Eva?! How the hell does that work with all the LCL filling the cockpit, anyway?

Yes, actually, I can tell you exactly that. I don't sometimes think of Hikari as a Covert Pervert. She's always struck me as being non-hypocritically conservative conservative about such things.
While that is a valid interpretation, I find that it has little utility for injecting some comedy into whatever story that I have her in. That is not to say that I always imagine her as a Covert Pervert, though.

edited 23rd Oct '14 12:01:06 PM by MarqFJA

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#3471: Oct 23rd 2014 at 1:20:29 PM

Hmm, little utility for comedic situations? I would respectfully disagree. How about you throw some of those situations my way, and I'll try to re-write them with a "straight-man" Hikari while still keeping them comedic?

... Assuming I still know how to write straight-man girls with all the anime I've been watching.

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#3472: Oct 23rd 2014 at 1:43:15 PM

Inside an Eva, yeah. But I'm talking outside the Evas, where she never shows any tendency towards violence.
Which is where I think of her more as just an adrenaline junkie in general, like I said earlier.

While that is a valid interpretation, I find that it has little utility for injecting some comedy into whatever story that I have her in. That is not to say that I always imagine her as a Covert Pervert, though.
Oh, right, I keep forgetting that seemingly ninety-nine percent of your idea output involves fetishism where Rule of Funny rules the day. Refer back to that one PM conversation we had for what my idea output more generally involves.

Also, [up]. Hikari works much better as a Straight Man IMO.

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#3473: Oct 24th 2014 at 5:52:31 AM

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that seemingly ninety-nine percent of your idea output involves fetishism where Rule of Funny rules the day.
That is an unjustified exaggeration.

[up][up] I've seen enough of straight-woman Hikari in fanfics to last me for several years, thank you.

edited 24th Oct '14 5:53:16 AM by MarqFJA

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#3474: Oct 24th 2014 at 6:02:11 AM

And I've seen enough Hikari/Asuka doujins to get sick of that orientation too.

I mean, I can see Asuka constantly hanging around Hikari because of sexual orientation but Hikari? Nada.


On another note, I suddenly realized today that Asuka's personality suddenly makes a helluva lot of sense if she were to have significantly above average IQ.

Like Asuka, I had problems relating to people because I found the average folk to be frustratingly dull. Having taken a Mensa test today and scored 125+note  then looking back at my life, I now know from personal experience that Intelligence Equals Isolation really is Truth in Television. What if Asuka is so haughty because she really is more intelligent than others? And I don't mean lexical knowledge there; she's an Insufferable Genius because she's frustrated that no one can match her wits.

If you really look into it, this could also be the case with Gendo. Could be worth exploring this angle in a oneshot.

edited 24th Oct '14 12:17:07 PM by amitakartok

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#3475: Oct 24th 2014 at 12:55:15 PM

That is an unjustified exaggeration.

Yeah, he should have said 100%; seriously Marq I haven't seen you do anything else.

Gotta say I'm with Unit on this one about Mari; she's a predator, not for the lulz.

edited 24th Oct '14 12:58:04 PM by Night

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