The characters elemental strengths and weaknesses are chosen based off of their meanings in the Western Zodiac.Assume for a moment that Ice = Water, Electric = Earth, then read their meanings listed below. Fire = Spirit, inspired, energy, instinctual, outgoing, active -AKA Willpower/Ambition Air = Mind, intellectual, ideas, detached, social, conceptual -AKA Information/Communication Water = Emotions, imaginative, nurturing, introverted -AKA Emotion Earth = Body, practical, sensual, grounded -AKA Stability Now compare these meanings to the Inaba Scoobies' personae. For example: Yousuke is strong with wind AKA Communication, which shows most strongly in how he's usually the one that gets the gang together, and how he manages to avoid answering whenever people start asking questions about his shadow. Since he can't stand being bored he often does something stupid which, since that's the opposite of being practical AKA Earth, translates in him being weak to Electricity which represents that element. By the time you finish his social link, Yousuke learns not to be quite so childish (thus minimising his weakness) and also gains the proper motivation to keep on fighting, thus explaining the otherwise odd resistance against Fire (AKA willpower). ...Seriously, it works for all of them. (Even Izanagi; if you take into account Souji can only talk with pre-set options but is the practical, reliable leader right from the start, it fits perfectly with this). As for Light and Darkness, they most likely stand for the Sun and Moon, which work thusly: Light/Sun = Fire & Earth AKA the 'masculine' elements. Darkness/Moon = Wind & Water AKA the 'feminine' elements. Needless to say, making Naoto with her gender issues make equal use of these two is a great way to highlight how evenly spilt between the two she may be. (Also raises the question of why Izanagi has an immunity to Darkness but that's for other people to argue over).
In The Golden, Marie will be the new Hierophant S. Link.Her hat has a "V" decoration, the Roman numeral for 5, which is the Hierophant Arcana's number.
Personas are summoned via the Tulpa Effect, aka ThoughtformingSee here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtform Their minds quite literally makes their Personas real.
Mara is a Creeper from MinecraftJust look: Creeper and then ....
Pulled from Youtube...RYNOROSSFILMS: Ladies and gentlemen, a story for you: As you all know Captain Falcon died in that epic paunch and his position was taken over by the less awesome Rick Wheeler. The truth, however, was that Captain Falcon was reincarnated. His reincarnation later beat the living shit out of Rick and took back his rightful position. And that reincarnation was&# 65279; known as Kanji Tatsumi. Also:
Yosuke is the reincarnation of the MC from Persona 3They both share a voice actor...and that's all the evidence for this WMG But this troper wants it to be confirmed, it's so awesome!!!!!! WAIT! The troper who wrote this found another link between the P3 MC and Yosuke: Headphones. That's gotta mean something.
Ryotaro Dojima is Ash's father
The delivery truck Namatameused is the same one you see at the gas station Think about it, how many delivery trucks can there be in a small town like Inaba?
Teddie is a Shadow born from the Main CharacterThree main things point to this: First, Teddie is a Shadow born from the desire to fit in and be accepted by other people, something someone who has to move around a lot would definitely have and definitely repress, though not necessarily central enough to form THE Shadow (the main character's Persona), so to speak. Two, Teddie seems to trust the main character a bit more than other people from the beginning, and continues to address him with the utmost respect even after other folks develop Personas as well. Three, Teddie shows up in the Velvet Room - something Igor says only the main character should be able to do.
Alternately, Teddie is a Shadow born from Shuji IkutsukiHence all the un-bear-ably bad jokes.
Teddie isn't the Main Character's Shadow, but a Psyche SplinterThere has been precedence: Metis from Persona 3 FES. The Main Character perhaps wished that he were more grown up, making his own arrangements to remain in Japan rather than let his parents take him wherever they were going. The initiative and responsibility required that he deny his childishness as a thing of the past.
How about Teddie being a shadow born from NanakoSpecifically he was born from Nanako's feelings of loneliness. Nanako may have been young, but as seen by her and Dojima's Social Links she has more then enough problems already to have a Shadow. She is trying to come to grips about death, misses her mother, and her father is almost never around. I don't think I recall seeing her spend time with friends either, she just goes home and watches TV. Now look at Teddie. He's a shadow who wanted to be accepted by people. Nanako's loneliness could translate into Teddie's desire for friends. Teddie also very quickly hits it off with the Main Character, who is also the first person Nanako is able to draw close to. Teddie also has a tendency to say things as though it were a commercial which is easily explainable by how much time Nanako spends watching TV, and even somewhat paralleled by her singing along with commercial jingles. When Teddie becomes independent enough to form his own self and enters the real world, he very quickly becomes a friend to Nanako, who may in fact be his best friend besides the Main Character. This would also explain the absence of Nanako's Shadow when she was in the TV world. It wasn't because she was too young to create a shadow, it was because her Shadow was already there. Furthermore it's Nanako's "death" that causes Teddie to return involuntarily to the subconscious and have his existential crisis, along with having his epiphany about just what he was.
Teddy is Mitsuo's shadowHe may want to pretend he doesn't care, but his hidden desire is acceptance. He starts losing it when Teddy's befriended by the investigation team. He really loses it when Teddy gains independence from him (at the end of Rise's dungeon). Hence his new shadow is empty when you face it in his dungeon.
Yosuke has TWO Shadows, but only directly created oneLet's think about this for a second. We all know that Teddie was created as a result of a Shadow becoming in-sync with human loneliness, but he never states how many humans it took. Shadow Yosuke's gimmick was that its creator's greatest fear was to be alone. Somewhere between Yosuke going to Inaba and gaining Jiraiya as his Persona, Pre-bear Teddie became attuned to Yosuke's loneliness, and became the cutesy, lovable, Handsome Lech who gets a Crowning Moment of Awesome with his Last Stand (even if it's a subverted Last Stand)
Teddie is Theodore Roosevelt's shadow.Perhaps Roosevelt didn't want to admit he liked puns?
Teddie is the reincarnation or something of Haruhi Suzumiya.Think about it. The entire thing, even Izanami's very existence, and the MC being in Inaba at all... EVERYTHING happened because Teddie willed it so. Because he was hella lonely. To take it further; In Christianity, God created people to love him. Think about it. Teddie is just God in a space-monkey-bear-suit. He created humanity to love him from the very beginning. Izanami might seem to disprove this, being something Teddie would be against, but... remember, God lets bad things happen too. In fact, Izanami is actually a device to pull people to him and his "heaven"... Are you mind-fucked yet?
Teddie is the personification of the true TV-World, created by Philemon.Izanami's plot of putting humanity on trial via the Midnight Channel sounds a lot like the conflict between Philemon and Nyarlathotep. She created Ameno-Sagiri from the fog representing denial, but cheated by using him to manipulate Adachi and Namatame. Now, look back at the first WMG on this page, of Teddie being the main character's shadow. The Star Arcana, Teddie's link, is a sign of hope; the main character is the representation of hope in Izanami's test. He's also able to appear in the Velvet Room, which is usually only inhabited by the main character and Igor, who works for Philemon. In addition to the power of the wild card and using the Velvet Room to fuse Personas, Philemon created Teddie from the unclouded version of the Midnight Channel. Because of Teddie's desire to attain the truth and help people, he became friends with the protagonist and helped him defeat Izanami. Just as planned!
Teddie is some kind of universal shadow, made up of pieces of all human minds. His personality is most strongly influenced by the people he closely interacts with.The evidence for this one is a little sparse, but the fact that he hits on everyone could be caused by Yosuke's loneliness, whereas his desire to find his true self could come from Rise. His bursts of anger come from Kanji Tatsumi and his cheerfulness comes from Nanako/Yukiko/Chie.
...that Izanami was a jobber generated by Philemon to provide a foe for Teddy/Nyarlathotep and friends to fightSo that Teddy/Nyarlathotep would have a foe to Heel-Face Turn against. A consequence theory of the above guess.
Alternately, Teddie is the collective Shadow of the Fool Arcana.Why not? Teddie says that he has been there for a long time, possibly forever. If Teddie was there since the beginning, perhaps he means the very beginning of The Fool's journey.
The Main Character convinced his parents to move to Inaba.Shortly after he got off the train he told his parents how much he loved Inaba and wanted to go back there. He argued that since they were not around a lot it was good for him to be near a guardian like Dojima. And because the parents were not around a lot they did not feel much connection to where they lived currently. So they acquiesced and the Main Character got to move back to Inaba nine months later, down the street from Dojima and Nanako.
The Persona 3 protagonist's sacrifice has started to turn the tide.Crystal Dragon Jesus that he is, by holding back the concept of the "resignation to the inevitability of death", others are able to cleanly defeat Eldritch Abomination that otherwise would have been half-victories in previous games.
The Main Character is the reincarnation of IzanagiHence him having a far firmer connection to his Persona (it used to be him), while he does fight his former life's ex, Izanami, she is the one who gives him the power to stop the murders in the first place.
When characters tell Shadows that "You're not me!", they're right.They're constructs created by the God of Fog to facilitate the murders, as are the dungeons. Observe: the Shadows of intended murder victims act and dress in bizarre and outlandish ways that symbolize the character flaws they harp on, while the Shadows of people who enter Midnight Channel purposefully (Yosuke and Chie) simply harp on flaws without showing any variation in appearance; easily explained by a much shorter preparatory time. They power up upon being "denied" because characters who deny their flaws donate them to the Shadows due to the weird super-symbolic rules of Midnight Channel's reality. "Teddie's Shadow" is completely improvised on the spot, explaining the "strange power intervening" that Rise mentions before his appearance, the completely different voice where most Shadows have a distorted version of their look-alike's voice, and the fact it doesn't start powering up into a boss form until the entire party "denies" it (Teddie didn't have enough nihilism to power it up on his own).
Igor and the others inside the Velvet Room are orchestrating the mother of all Gambit Roulettes in order to save humanity's soul.Igor's role in each game is to guide the protagonist in their journey, whatever it may be. Of course, he's not allowed to directly interfere, but he does a really good job assisting people and pointing them in the right direction. Thanks to him, the protagonist of Persona 3 was able to successfully prevent The Fall and sacrifice himself to become the seal separating Nyx and Erebus. In Persona 4, he guided the protagonist to uncover Izanami's plot, which finally allowed the fog of deceit to be lifted from the heart of humanity. Hopefully, this means that humanity will start turning away from the nihilistic path that led to the summoning of Nyx in the first place. Oh, and in the first two games, Igor worked for this guy. Notice how he wanted to see if humans could become enlightened beings and the butterfly motif. Now think back at how many times a blue butterfly showed up in the third and fourth games.
Igor is actually using the protagonist and his allies in an incredible game of Xanatos Speed Chess to build up his own power so that he can take over the Persona (and possibly the real) world.Igor's not out to save humanity because it's the right thing to do; he's doing it to ensure he has plenty of servants around when he finally wins.
Igor is in fact, an alternate version of Shin Megami Tensei Lucifer, who has decided the best way to rebel is to prevent humanity from destroying themselves. He's going to make them earn it, though.Note how Lucifer is the Persona gained as the party progresses in P4. Also Elizabeth and Margaret seem to fulfill the "nurse" role from Nocturne.
Alternately, Teddie is the Persona continuity's version of Lucifer - an amnesiac Lucifer who only knows that things at the start of P4 are not right and wants to honestly help the party.This can be a little out there, so let's break it down:
Characters don't use Evokers to summon their Personas because they don't have to.Like most high-schoolers, the cast of Persona 3 take great effort in putting forth a facade of normalcy and are reluctant and perhaps terrified of exposing their flaws. Since the manifestation of Personas is directly tied to the emotions they are trying to suppress, the only way they can summon them properly is by "killing" themselves through the use of Evokers, shutting down the ego and allowing the id to run rampant. In Persona 4, a potential Persona-user is forced to literally face his inner demons in the company of his friends and classmates, violently breaking down whatever facades they might have built up to obscure their insecurities. This gives them a control over their Personas that is stronger than that of the characters in Persona 3 and allows them to summon Personas without an Evoker.
They don't have to use evokers to summon Personas because they can only summon Personas in another world made for shadows, as opposed to the mortal world.There ya go.
The Persona 4 Protagonist is the child of Tatsuya and Maya from Persona 2The constant mention of rumors of parents that constantly travel everywhere. It could be Maya and Tatsuya, constantly looking for strange new things to investigate. The reason they never looked at Inaba is that just looks like a serial murder case.
Chie Satonaka is the child of Gene from God Hand.Her follow-up attack, Galactic Punt, is similar to that of Gene's God Roulettes: Dragon Kick.
The True Ending isn't true at all.Izanami did in fact defeat the party, and she trapped them in the fog of deceit. Unwilling to accept the truth of their defeat, the party created an illusion of a victory against Izanami.
Naoto Shirogane is a descendant of Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV.Their physical appearance is slightly similar. She wears clothes similar to him. Her Persona was one Raidou's main foes, and even the official website mentions that. She also uses guns like him, and her Final Persona holds a katana similar to Raidou. Not only that, but Naoto mentioned coming from a family of detectives, and Raidou worked as one. All this indicate a possible relation, and since Raidou's game was set in 1920 while Persona 4 is in 2011, there sure is a chance that Naoto carries his blood on her veins.
Naoto is the P3 Protagonist's little sister!She stated that her parents died in a car "accident", just like P3's protagonist's parent had. What happened then in Persona 3? Because Aigis had sealed Death inside of the young boy, she took him to the Kirijo group, but her system shut down before she could explain much. Without knowing what to do with the kid, the Kirijo Group gave him up to adoption, or put him under governmental care (thus explaining why he seems self-sufficient on his own), and eventually he is brought him back to that city where the incident happened. Naoto probably believes or was told that her older brother died in the "accident" as well. It's worth noting that the dates do work for this: Naoto is 15 at the start of the game (April 2011), which would make her approximately three years old during the events that set off Persona 3. This'd even explain why she wasn't in the car with her family when the battle with Thanatos occured; she was sufficiently young that she was probably left with Grandpa Kuzunoha while the rest of the Shirogane family went out for that evening. She may even have been left with Grandpa while her parents went to investigate the explosion at the Kirijo lab, although that doesn't really explain why they'd take the P3 Protagonist, who was himself only seven.
Nanako is actually an offshoot of Izanami created to stay close to the MainWhen Nanako is thrown into the TV, she manages to form a world, yet her Shadow doesn't appear. This is explained as her being too young to have an ego, despite all of the indications via Social Link that she should have one. The reason she doesn't is because, as a god, or at least part of one, she doesn't need one. Not only that, but if you don't get the Bad Ending, she comes back to life despite all of the indications that she should be dead. This is because of her inherent abilities as being part of Izanami. However, the fog still hurts her because of her close proximity to her creator's powers, causing a sort of spectral feedback, thus harming her. Dojima, meanwhile, believes that Nanako is actually his daughter because Izanami screwed with his memories, making him believe that her mother died in a hit and run. This would also explain why Dojima never manages to find the guy who did it; his wife never existed.
Alternatively, Nanako is a Barrier Maiden holding back Izanami's fog.Nanako is really the designated Barrier Maiden for Inaba, but because of her young age, her powers weren't fully developed when Izanami began her trial on Inaba. Because of this, Nanako couldn't fully hold back the fog, leading to at least a small amount of the fog leaking through after a long period of rain. When she was kidnapped and thrown into the TV, her close proximity to Izanami's fog overload her, which leads to Nanako's hospitalization once she is rescued. After her condition starts taking a turn for the worse, she's too weak to even attempt to hold back the fog anymore, which leads to the fog becoming permanent in Inaba until Ameno-Sagiri finally lifts it himself.
Philemon gave the Wild Card and the power to access the Velvet Room to P3 and P4 Main CharactersIn Persona 2, he gives it to all of the main characters, often appearing as a golden butterfly at first. In P3, a blue butterfly appears in the opening, and later when Aigis receives the Wild Card, and in some guide/interview Atlus confirmed that was him, along with the savepoints in P4. As for not appearing in human form, well, he's afraid the Main Characters might punch him and make his pretty mask fall off once again. Okay, it's probably because only one person needs the Wild Card until Nyarlathotep starts messing things up again.
Nanako doesn't have a shadow because she already resolved her issueWhen the party hear Nanako's voice on third heaven, she said she miss her mom but doesn't feel lonely since she has Dojima and Protagonist. The heaven is manifest from her wish to see her mom, but that isn't enough to manifest shadow. If she genuinely overcome her loneliness of losing her mom, the shadow won't has anything to evoke her.
In a few thousand years; Aigis, Teddy, and Elizabeth will team upIn order to change mankind forever and rescue the protagonist of Persona 3. This will result in a "positive" conception resolution.
The True Ending is actually a Downer Ending.Bear with the Fridge Logic for a second here. Lifting the Fog of Deceit from people's hearts means that they're more in touch with themselves... including the morally twisted people like Adachi. Now fully conscious that they like making people suffer, they start raising all sort of hell, causing chaos, and generally setting up a crisis for Persona 5 to be about.
Alternatively, the Normal Ending is actually a Bittersweet Ending.So, you just defeated Adachi and stopped the fog in Inaba. Your team of ragtag investigators and loyal friends are all wistfully looking out to your train as it pulls away, confident that you just stopped a crisis? Will everything be alright? Wrong. The Midnight Channel still exists, the TV World still exists, Izanami still exists and there will be insane people out there who will put this ability to good use. All you did was just prolong everything. It also helps that, if this theory is correct, then it would make a small ending bridge: Downer (Bad) - Bittersweet (Normal) - Happy (Good).
Kanji's sexuality is a Cosmic PlaythingThe universe makes it whatever will be funnier at any given moment.
Upon defeating the Bonus Boss Shadows, the MC eats them.Aside from the Contrarian King, they're not much harder than the plotline bosses, especially once you get to Shadow Mitsuo. Where else could the Courage increase come from?
Souji Seta is indeed the horny bastard Morooka makes him out to be, and is taking advantage of several emotionally insecure girls to quench his sexual appetite'Nuff said.
Daidara is supplying the party with weapons not because he is doing it for artBut because his business is crap (So Kanji bought a shield once and... ?) he is willing to supply anything for anyone, no questions asked for money, even supplying teenagers with guns.
Margaret, Elizabeth and Takaya are the Shadow versions of Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano-ou.They all have the same silver hair as Izanami and the Protagonist, and they all have those bright golden eyes that the Shadow versions of people have; they are their children, born from Izanagi into the world of Shadows after he met Izanami in the underworld. Elizabeth and Margaret were taken in and cared for by Igor, but Takaya found his way into the real world and was picked up by Ikutsuki.
The PC was intended to fail, but won due to Wild CardWithout it, the PC would be stuck with Izanagi, a Persona that doesn't learn a skill past level 5. Adachi was also granted a Persona by Izanami, and he is the king of pushover bosses (Namatame's battle is against a shadow, not his Persona), lessening the chance it is mearly be a gameplay quirk
People trapped in the TV don't need to eat/drink due to the awareness of Bottomless Bladder as a trope.Everyone is concerned that the Shadows will kill the victim in a few weaes, but never about the fact that would starve/dehydrate in less time. It is revealed near the end the Midnight Channel shows what the audience wants to see, so why not apply this to the TV world proper as well? As for Yosuke the first time, it was either due to being a preexisting condition, or because it makes exceptions for Rule of Funny.
After being caught, the killer is living a comfy life in a mental asylum after the end of the game.What else do you do with a guy who claims to murder people by throwing them into TVs? (yes I realize the insanity defense does not work that way, though his rant doesn't exactly scream "I know my actions are wrong")
The Inaba water supply is taintedNote the much higher rate of unique hair colors compared to Persona 3 (MC who has death sealed inside him, Akihiko and maybe Fuuka, plus that random guy with the assault record Odagiri threatens who gets cloned in 4 from what I recall). In Persona 4 ratio is inverted, Rise and Yukiko (possibly Kanji, who explicitly bleachs his hair) are the only ones with real hair colors in the party.
The True World inside everyone's souls isn't nearly so pleasant everywhere.
The protagonist is an Unreliable Narrator.He plays up his own social aptitudes and importance to the group. The real leader of the group wasn't him, but Yosuke, and it shows through when he forgets to change how Adachi acts like a Shadow Archetype to Yosuke, monologuing on boredom and how lousy it is to be out in "the sticks", and basically doing everything he did for the lulz, like Yosuke's Shadow wanted to. The one to actually figure out that Namatame wasn't the killer was Naoto, who actively demonstrated the ability to shift her preconceptions and search for the truth just before performing her Gambit Roulette of getting kidnapped. Meanwhile, Protagonist was going with the flow of things just like Namatame.
The MC wasn't part of the experiment at all; he was a Wild Card from the beginningMy theory hinges on two main factors: Adachi had more reason to be Hope than the MC, and that the murder of Morooka could only have been commited by someone who had entered the TV. To explain the latter, you must take one thing into consideration: Mitsuo lacked the physical strength to club, drag and hang Morooka. He might have had enough power to throw Morooka into the TV, presumably with some amount of existing force, but definetely not homicide of this degree. Mitsuo threw the victim into the television set, then fled using his powers. One will most likely be asking who fills what position. Clearly, Namatame was despair. Mitsuo was emptiness, judging by his Shadow's dialogue and the dungeon. Adachi fits best as hope; even though he, in his words, was "bored shitless", he states directly after that he was "wondering what to do". Adachi wanted something to do, still possessed hope for his time in Inaba. So where does this leave the MC? By the time he arrived in Inaba, none of Izanami's puppets had attempted to use their powers. Rather, they remained completely unaware. Izanami starts to become frustrated and hands some powers to the MC, who in turn is noticed by Philemon/Igor and is granted the Wild Card. Adachi then learns he has powers and starts putting them to good use.
Saki didn't hate Yosuke nearly as much as the shadows make it out.One of the major plot points is that while the shadows are parts of the mind that the person that the other is afraid to admit but that's not the entire person (Chie's shadow is formed of her resentment of Yukiko, but they're still friends, etc.). Furthermore the Midnight Channel will show things that people want to be true or think are true. Saki may not (and considering Yosuke's then poor social skills probably not) have wanted to have a relationship, she may not have had the massive hate.
Yosuke is only a Jerk Ass because he's a closet masochist/discipline fetishist and wants people to hit him.Chie kicks him in the nuts, he begs the main character to punch him until he feels better, and he's constantly goading Kanji. It's all because what he really wants is a severe ass-beating.
Yosuke is gayOr at least Gay For Protaganist. Who says his heterosexual perverted ways aren't just a cover up? We never see what he likes to view.
Rise is the reincarnation of Persona 3 Portables's Female Main CharacterFemale MC S.Links indicate that she's more connected to the team than the MC was. This lead her to be more understanding and more motherly towards her team. And if her Link with Shinjiro was indicating anything, she wasn't afraid on hitting on guys. Rise's Teen Idol status is because Female MC enjoyed karaoke night and had a secret wish to be a singer while the bullied part was because she was alone for so many years.
The MC dies in a train crash shortly after the end of the game.This sets up Persona 4: FES or the equivalent with an extra story where the Investigation Team members, with help from Margaret and a recently re-deceased Izanagi, try to bring him back from the dead. I'm sure there'll be a very sad ending where they need to leave him behind to prevent the world from being attacked by the legions of hell or something; maybe Nanako used up their one resurrection a game limit. (I mainly have a hard time believing they'll just let it be a happy ending.)
Brotagonist spiked the girl's drinks on the school trip.The only reason Chie was excluded was because Teddie took her drink. It makes perfect sense...more sense than "drunk off the atmosphere" at any rate.
Teddie spiked the drinks at Club EscapadeDuring the Kings Games, Yukiko, Rise, and Teddie seemingly become drunk "of of the environment," because according to Naoto (and even implied by Kanji) the drinks were not alcohol. If this was the case though, why were those three the only ones "affected by the environment." It's safe to assume, especially since Teddie had been hanging out on the bad portion of town by himself prior to meeting up with the group, that he spiked both his and the girls drinks.
Yukiko is the secret lovechild of Kaguya and Mokou.She resembles Kaguya in appearance and upbringing, and her Persona uses fire, just like Mokou does. Also, her healing and revival powers may be a weaker form of her parents' regenerative immortality. Of course, you may be asking "How can two women reproduce with each other?" Well, Gensokyo is a land of fantasy, so there's bound to be some method of same-sex conception out there. As for how she stumbled into Japan, she wasn't wanted and is secretly adopted.
Teddie and Lain are the same person.
Nanako actually Came Back Wrong.You haven't seen all the effects of her ressurection. Maybe she's not quite herself, and she'll always seem "off". Maybe its something worse. Maybe she's not even herself at all, and something else is controlling her body for the time. Maybe what she saw on the other side will eventually make normal life impossible. At the end of Persona 4 FES, or whatever they do, you'll end up having to kill her.
Chie is actually a Plant of some organization or even a deity of some kind or a creation of one, sent to help the party out.This is something I picked up on during the scene on the last day where you suspect that someone was pulling everyone's strings and go hunt for Izanami. Yosuke points out that Chie was the one who first got them to try the Midnight channel and Chie stutters for a few seconds before hastily explaining that she heard it from another group of girls. She then wonders out loud if there's a "conductor" of some sort after reading Adachi's letter, before hastily stammering out "It was just something that popped into my head" But she does this throughout the entire game. Makes offhand comments that turn out to be exactly the hint the team needs to keep going. People suspected her of being a Genius Ditz but is their more to it? Also immediately after MC confronts Izanami for the first time, Chie is apparantly the only one who noticed Izanami there, Yosuke and Yukiko need to be told about it by MC. We also know next to nothing about her family or past beyond her being Yukiko's friend for awhile and that one kid who shows up during her S link who's also just a friend not related to her. We never meet her family nor does she ever seem to mention them despite every other party member except Teddie either having a relative appear or at least talked about. And she basically starts the quest. It's her that mentions the Midnight Channel first, and it's her that takes the MC tv shopping at Junes where you encounter the TV that takes you to the studio despite not being able to afford it herself. Granted she does have a Shadow encounter like everyone else but it could have been faked. Chie's notably more worn afterwards than any other character because of the fog almost like she was overacting. Of course she might not even know of any of this herself, and have a kind of self Weirdness Censor like Ryoji did in P3, not honestly knowing why she's always saying the right thing at the right time.
Kou Ichijo is the younger brother of the Persona 3 Protagonist.They both look pretty◊ similar◊. Both of them were orphans. Although it's revealed what happened to Minato's parents in P3, Kou ends up being told that his parents died from illness. This could be a cover-up story for what really happened. He could have shock-induced amnesia about his parents and brother from losing his parents, being separated from his brother, and being whisked off to an orphanage at the age of about three or four.
A teenaged Nanako will be a party member (or possibly even the named protagonist ala Tatsuya/Maya) in Persona 5 and will be instrumental in freeing MinatoSearch your feelings. You know it would be awesome. It would make sense from a plot perspective too. Young kid, nearly dies from shadows, that and she has an entire pack of Mama bears and papa wolves in the form of some of the most powerful persona users in living memory.
Teddie's Shadow is a direct creation of InazamiWhen the Teddie's shadow goes berserk Rise mentions some sort of outside power, and Shadow! Teddie says pretty much the same things Izanami does later in the game. (Truth unattainable, you all suck, What you're doing is pointless, lay down and die already, oh shit you guys are powerful, you still suck no matter how badly you kick my ass. etc.)
Alternately Teddie's Shadow is a result of Adachi throwing a tantrumWe don't know much about Adachi's powers but it does seem like he has a far greater affinity for affecting the TV world in lieu of Seto's messanic charisma and wild card persona. He probably watched the midnight channel, saw six kids and their stupid bear about to buy it and said "This is going to be so F* cking cool! Dojimae's going to shit a brick when his nephew and his friends show up dead on a telephone pole. Awesome!" Only to throw his remote when Teddie Curbstomps Rise's Shadow. Then he remembers "Wait, I've got powers too. Suck on this!"
The Velvet Room has some sort of evil mirror counterpartAbsolutely no basis for this but you know it would be awesome.
The Amagi family are ninjaYukiko is your most powerful spellcaster, indicating some pretty impressive Ki/Chakra training. She is able to use a fan as an instruement of murder, occassionaly throwing it like a shuriken to disable enemies. To say nothing of her statement "that bear needs to be disappeared." That wasn't an idle threat, Yukiko had serious intentions of assasinating Teddy right then and there.
The Protagonist has MPDIt explains how he can have multiple personas and the 'Wild Card'is a metaphor for his disorder.
Something big was going down at the Culture Festival behind the scenesI don't know what, but something really significant- probably related to whatever will happen in Persona 5. Evidence for something of import? The "long-nosed fortune teller". Between the name and the blue velvet booth, its obviously either Igor or one of his proxies. However, when was the last time Igor showed up during daylight in the real world itself, and not in a subdimensional pocket deep within the human unconscious or mystic dimensional overlap? For him, or one of his proxies/servants, to show up in the daytime in the unaltered mundane world of Men means that something world-shaking was happening, but the protagonists were having too much fun to notice.
The events of Port Island and Inaba are in no way particularly unusualSimilar things go on across the world all the time- maybe even one potential apocalypse per city. Everyone has succeeded- so far. The reason Igor is so hands-off with mentoring is because he's got his hands full helping thousands of persona team leaders worldwide. Presumably, a high percentage of March deaths in the 13-24 age group is really Apocalypse Prevention Suicides. This is why a random place like Inaba was the focus- everywhere else was taken.
Izanami had attempted her experiment once before, in a different small town......Called Silent Hill.
The existance of Shadows rather than Demons has to do with the nature of the 'Conception' from NocturneIn the SMT series proper it's shown that the world is destroyed and remade, more than once, through a process called the Conception. It's also shown in Nocturne that only humans can create the new world, and in doing so they alter the 'rules'. Between Persona 2 and Persona 3, the world was remade in such a way that the various demons had less power. As a result, however, the power of Persona was not diminished, and became warped over time, causing Personas which weren't properly controlled to become Shadows. This may extend to Demons being completely disallowed in the 'Real World', so Igor, Margaret, and Elizabeth can only exist in dreams, which is why only the protagonist can interact with them, and they can only support a single guest's power of Wild Card...at a time.
The DEVA System is the world Persona and Shin Megami Tensei take place in- and Blazblue.Ahem. The world of Persona is, from an objective perspective, non-sequiting. It makes no sense why so many different, awesome things happen and only a few people know about them. Now, put on your tin foil hats on and follow me here.
Adachi secretly really bought into the "the Midnight Channel shows your soul mate" rumor.The real reason he snapped when talking to Mayumi is because he saw her in the TV and he became enraged (with more than a little help from his rampant misogyny) that the woman who was supposed to be his soul mate had been having an affair with a married man.
Personas 1-4 are all part of an extended battle to Earn Your Happy Ending against the evils inherint in mankind.Think about it, Personas 1&2 were essentially chess games between Philemon and Nyarlathotep. Philemon awoke the personas in the characters for them and they served as his soldiers against Nyarlathotep who used demons as his soldiers. The shadows really are just parts of Nyarlathotep. The reason for the switch in enemies between P2 and P3 is because Nyarlathotep was defeated by Tatsuya & Maya and co. Without a balance to his power Philemon was forced to take a more passive role and with the last of his power he gave the SEES members the potential they needed. It was after P2 that the pieces of Nyarlathotep fragmented and became the shadows. They created the Dark Hour as their temporary home since the gateway to hell isn't around. The Fall meant the opening of the gate to hell which would have created a scenario similiar to the kind we see in the SMT games. The shadows wanted to go home. They finally retreated to the collective unconciousness of humanity where the personas dwell. They corrupted the world and then sought to absorb Inaba and counterattack. They of course failed when Souji beat back their current ruler and forced them to retreat once again. All this time Nyarlathotep's fragments grow weaker and with Erebus gone and Nyx held at bay by Minato, Philemon is likewise almost dead.
The person 'driving' the Velvet room Limo is...Theodore. Because why not?
Mitsuo Kubo is based on Christian Weston Chandler of Sonichu “fame”Think about it: They’re both manchildren. They’re both obsessed with videogames to an unhealthy degree. They both make creepy advances towards girls they barely know (in Mitsuo’s case it's Yukiko, in Chris’s case it’s basically anything female). They both copy other peoples work. They both have unusual eyes. They both have grudges against and get disproportion revenge upon teachers (well alright, the person Chris has a grudge against is a dean not a teacher, but same basic principal). They both always wear the same shirt. You have to admit the resemblance is disturbing and uncanny.
At some point, Dojima was finally told the truthThis troper suspects that after everything that happened, he finally became open minded enough to ask The MC if all that stuff about throwing people into the TV's was true. For the MC's part, he caved in and showed him the truth, figuring that Dojima was trustworthy (something they all admitted earlier in the game). Possible because at this point, there's no point in hiding it from him, plus we all know Nanako's kidnapping might have been avoided if he had been let in on the secret.
The true world in everyone's hearts revealed in the True Ending is the setting at the beginning of the First Pokemon Movie.Seriously. The whole opening thing with Mewtwo dreaming before he wakes up in the cloning lab, saying that he is "ready to be"? The mountain Mew flies over is totally the same mountain as the one in the true TV world.
The Mission Control Characters are stronger than we realizeThis is more Persona 3 and 4, but there is no section for general theories. First we have Fuuka: Spent weeks(although only hours to her) traipsing around the school during the dark hour. She would have died, but her Persona, which hadn't even fully awakened yet instinctively guided her away from danger (and also steered toward the protagonist, or perhaps I should say, it steered them towards her). She's also the only character besides the MC to realize what the evoker is beforehand. Next is Rise. her shadow used it's scanning powers to not only evade the party's attacks, but also hit all with an almost instant KO attack. It's the only boss not to be beaten in a battle. Also, mere moments after gaining her persona, Rise is the only character to make use of it immediately. They can analyze the enemy, predict their movements, and avoid them, and strike weak spots. Well, not the last one, because they can't fight, but if they could....... Remember what Fuuka's persona did to the shadows that attacked it? And all she did was summon it. Imagine if she had the same fighting potential as the others, same for Rise.
Nanako was far more clued in then she lets onOkay, you watch television all day. You have a brother surrogate that you think hung the moon.... And then people start dying. Now all of a sudden your brother comes home at odd hours all brusied and batterd, he has a lethal array of katanas, long swords, and body armor. Moreover, he's buying weird mystical equipment from the mail order. And then... people stop dying. People disappear, but they always reappear at the same time that your awesome big brother comes home with those mysterious injuries... Seriously though, Nanako's probably heard of the midnight channel (what else do we see the poor kid doing but watch television? And we do know that she was up the first time that you watch the midnight channel), she's seen all the stuff you order through the mail, she does nearly all of the chores in the house she's probably been in your room, multiple times, without your knowledge (what kid hasn't snuck into the room of a particularly admired older sibling?) and she's always running interception between you and Dojimae.
The events of Persona 3 and 4 are orchestrated by Igor to bring back PhilemonThe whole situation in the Persona!Verse right now is that Shadows and other unholy abominations lurk everywhere...but where the hell is Philemon? Shadows but no Philemon? Dude, where's my boss? Igor is very quiet, but he is, after all, Philemon's servant. He must have a plan. Notice that each "true end" leads to the enlightenment of an aspect of humanity...so the final event might bring back Philemon?
Naoto is a decendent of a Kuzunoha... just not RaidouThere are 4 great summoner titles, but we only know of Raidou, Geirin and Kyouji (Raido is not from the same universe and thus doesn't count)
Igor is actually a Time Lord. The Velvet Room is some sort of corrupted, ever-changing TARDIS that can enter human minds. Elizabeth, Margaret, and Theodore are his Companions, possibly other Time Lords.
Each of the protagonist's companions is associated with one of the Seven Deadly Sins.The protagonist, being the paragon of perfection that he is, doesn't have a sin as much as he doesn't have a Shadow. But think about his companions for a moment: Chie's sin was obviously Envy, of Yukiko, who she thinks is better than her at everything. Yukiko's sin was Sloth, waiting for a strong prince to save her from her personal problems instead of trying to deal with them herself. Kenji... well, I guess you can say he is quite Wrathful, even though I don't see how this is related to his Shadow. Rise is associated with Lust in a sort of opposite way: her life (or so she thinks) is defined by it not because she is very lustful, but because she is the object of so much lust. Naoto obviously has some serious issues with Pride, risking her own lives and those of others (in addition to generally acting like a prick) in order to prove to herself (and to the world) that she is the very best. So, this leaves us with Yosuke and Teddie, and Gluttony and Greed. Now I am stuck. But this theory sounded really promising a few minuets ago.
Shadows are NOT inherently Evil.It's probably explained somewhere explicitly and I just missed it but here we go. Shadows are basically every part of you, the good AND the bad. While we always see them acting violently, it's more an issue of them lacking self control. Considering that Personas are explicitly Shadows controlled by the Ego, it stands to reason that Shadows in and of themselves are not evil or good. They're more chaotic Neutral. Relative to the person they act in their own self interest and act out however the person would if they just didn't give a damn. But then, why is it that shadows always seem to want to kill the characters? It's because when you're denying them, you are very literally denying a part of yourself. And if you are denying a part of yourself so strongly that you would sooner see that aspect destroyed then come to light...Well for a shadow, since it IS an aspect of you and you are the only one who can change it in anyway, well effectively you're killing it. It's trying to protect itself from you, or perhaps more accurately trying to FORCE you to accept it.
TV Tropes is the Shadow of The Other Wiki.Wikipedia has largely become a regulated stopover on the way to more "valid" research. It struggles to feel accepted academically while still suffering the derision of teachers everywhere. Wikipedia struggles to be accepted through strict regulation and cold hard facts; a far cry from the more lax, Rule of Fun oriented TV Tropes. Wikipedia, in an effort to stamp out its more trivial side, inadvertently gave birth to TV Tropes as its Shadow self. It cannot bear to reconcile knowledge with fun and so it cannot bring itself to face TV Tropes. But TV Tropes is Wikipedia. And The Other Wiki is TV Tropes...
That Troper is the Shadow born of the collective ego of all Tropers...including you.That Troper How long are you planning on denying it? Beneath your thin veneer of snarky sophistication your true desires are laid plain before me. Who hasn't secretly pimped their own Fan Work under pseudonyms and puppet accounts? Don't you feel the need to rant and rave about asininely stupid programming that everyone else seems to fawn over? The Headscratchers pages for Twilight and Inheritance Cycle alone allude to your true nature. My opinions are right and all the garbage just hides the fact that I'm openly tearing down something I don't like and NO I WILL NOT TAKE IT TO THE FORUMS!!! And why shouldn't I? So what if there isn't a page for Cartwheeling Dynamite Puppy; there should be damnit, even if I have to pimp it to high heaven! Who are they to say what is and isn't A Trope?! "Some Tropers think...Your Milage May Vary But...Please exercise Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement when blah blah blah blah blah blah!" That weasel talk makes me sick!! Why shouldn't I say exactly what's on my mind?! MINE is the only opinion that matters!!! My OTP IS the Fan-Preferred Couple! Katara is a Canon Sue and I don't care who disagrees! Don't you take my entry down! I'M right, YOU'RE wrong! Isn't that what you truly feel? Villinize me all you'd like. Just accept the inevitable truth: you are me...and I am you
The entire soundtrack is just the music playing on Youske's iPod, and the reason it's playing is because it's so loud the MC can hear itThe reason it changes is he changes the music to fit the mood. Plays "I'll Face Myself" to match the seriousness when they get in to the boss fights, "Reach out to the Truth" to get pumped up for battle, and so on. But "Never More" in on the MC's that is off-camera that he listens to on the train away. Any other tracks are because Philemon Did It to set the mood. Everyone assumes it's just Youske's loud headphones again and pay it no mind, and Youske just thinks his iPod is broken.
Mitsuo Kubowill return as a minor antagonist in Persona 5. He's the only villain that you don't fight directly at some point, and we don't know what happened to him beyond the fact that he was prosecuted for murder. If he appears at all, I bet he's either going to be a Social Link (unlikely, given how unrepentant he is) or a member of the Quirky Miniboss Squad. 2? games were connected, so have 3 and 4. Persona 5 will take it to the next level, with the revelation that events in the last two games were an Evil Plan by the villain of that game, and may have cameos by characters from both previous games, who all have to work together to foil the Big Bad. It's been hinted at with all the there still being mysteries about the nature of Shadows (Teddie, Teddie TEDDIE!), the differences between summoning personas in the two games (naturally accepting yourself vs Unnaturally forcing it out), and other stuff I'm likely missing. It also admittedly sounds like a bad fan fic, but don't deny you want to see it.
The music from the games IS in universe.But not from Yosuke's Headphones, The Music is caused by the shadows. Basically each song that you hear in the game is a reflection of whatever characters Shadow, so for example Nanakos Shadow (shadow equivalent?) Is the one singing/generating Heaven. By the same token the Battle music is ALSO caused by Shadows, except in this instance it's caused by the Persona's (still shadows after all), so what each character is hearing is probably a little different. The only exceptions to this would be in the face of Major Bosses, who are essentially super powerful shadows. They're basically singing their song so loud you can't hear your own. The Only possible exception/reversal to this could be The Genesis, where the hero's persona (Izanagi-no-Okami) Overrides to bosses theme.
The Genesis is the Final Battle of the game in miniatureIt's been a little while since I've played the game, so maybe it was blatantly evident during the fight, but I've noticed that the song seems to line up with the final battle fairly well. 0:00-2:48 is the First half of the boss fight against Izanami. Things are rough, but they're shambling along till they thought they've won... And then 2:48-4:50 starts the battle against Izanami-no-Okami, A goddess. And it sounds suitably epic as your characters struggle against the might of a god. And again it mellows when they thought they had Won...When she starts outright killing the characters in 4:50-5:50. During the high points of the section(don't know what it would be called properly but between 5:25-5:40) there are 8 massive beats, The points when each of the characters were hit with Thousand Curses. 5:50-6:45 is the scene following MC's death at the hands of the curse and then his friends and allies using the power of friendship, love and all that to help him stand back up, and complete his social link giving him Izanagi-no-Okami. 6:45-7:51 is him standing up to and then beating Izanami.
The Main Character Doesn't complete all the Social Links until the end of the gameNot to say that it's impossible to finish every other character's social links, you can. But assuming that every character in your party in the game has a social link, why wouldn't the MC? He alone doesn't have to face any internal issues, if only because of Izanami, but that doesn't mean that they are there. And if I have the Manga Characterization right, and assuming that it's at least partially true for the Game itself, Boyo has issues making real connections with other people. Just because they (his social links) make a connection with him, and believe (rightly) that he is someone that they can count on does not mean the same for him. The Realizing that he has people that he can truly count on, real friends? I would think that would count as a suitable epiphany.
Naoto doesn't just Look like the Protagonist of Persona 3, she is the protagonist of Persona 3Wait, hear me out. Couple of years ago Naoto and her sister get into a car accident and one of them dies. Nearly. See, the Female MC from Persona 3 Portable goes on to do the whole world saving deal, while Naoto, nearly dead falls into some kind of temporal hole (remember they were trying to see about time control at one point with the shadows) and ends up the required number of years in the future, only to be refound by her Grandfather (who, if the rumors are true, Is Raidou who may very well aware of the craziness that can go on when you deal with demons/shadows) and continues to raise the child, telling a bit of what happened. It would possibly explain why Naoto is so willing to accept the utterly absurd (from a normal persons perspective) that there are demons in the tv. But wait you say, if Naoto is the MC from 3 why is she well...a she? Butterfly effect. the minor difference of one of the twins being female did something or another that caused Female MC to be the hero, and the other to get launched in time. On the other hand, if the MC was male, it caused the sister to get launched in time. And perhaps dye her hair/temporal weirdness did something to her hair.
Teddie is Pedobear in disguise.We all know how Teddie wants to be friends with the team and play with Nanako. However, what no one knows is that the lovable Junes mascot hides darker motives. Since he's so bent on being friends with a group of high schoolers (who, by the way, are all under the age of 18) and one of the high schooler's elementary school-age cousin (who he has high interest in "playing" with). He uses his pretty-boy image so no one suspects anything.
Sam Evans is the MC.Let's look at the evidence, shall we? Persona 4 MC◊ and Chord Overstreet◊. See any resemblance? Sam is very loyal on Glee, a trait that's heavily implied to be the MC's by default. He's a bit of a jock with an interest in the arts (in P4 you can be on a sports team and in the music/drama club). The timelines coincide (he is currently a Sophomore in 2010-2011 like the MC would be). MC's ethnicity isn't referenced, so it's possible he's American. Maybe Sam is bi-racial, Japanese on his mother's side. He isn't a natural blond after all. It seems he has moved around/transferred a lot in the past. His parents might have gone to Japan on 'business' and when the time came, rather than ship him off again to yet another new city, they decided to keep him with Dojima for a year to give him some stability. Then at the end of April 2012, he's shipped off to the US again.
Ameno-Saigiri and Shinado are two eyes from the same pair of eyes.And according to the myth, when both eyes open at once, humanity will find true despair.
Daidara knows about Shadows, and has at least some idea of what the Investigation Team is up to.Come on, he doesn't bat an eye when he gets exotic materials (which include monster teeth and eyes) from a bunch of teenagers, he seems to be able to identify said materials and definitely knows how to work with them (a normal smith probably couldn't turn flowers dropped by defeated Bambinos into usable equipment), and at one point, he even gives the MC a speech about how he should take pride in vanquishing evil.
P4 was a cosmic game between Minato and NyxWhile stewing around at the Great Seal, Nyx implanted an idea in Minato's head: A chance to have his life back. Both of them would take on different forms in this game, with Minato taking control of a mysterious transfer student who had just arrived in Inaba (Which explains why he didn't need to face his own Shadow, as he had done so already), and with Nyx taking the form of the goddess Izanami. If Minato was to win, by once again defeating Nyx, he would be giving mankind a stronger reason to live and thus weakening the burden on the Seal. If Nyx was to win, she would have to defeat Minato and cover the world in fog (Thereby triggering a new Fall by turning everybody into Shadows). Everything else, such as Adachi's transfer, and Namatame's affair becoming public were all done before the game started, to make things more intresting and challenging. The party members were also drawn together in this cosmic game, to give Minato some new allies.
An Updated Re-release with a female protagonist will have Ken replacing ChihiroSeems natural to me since they're both of the Justice Arcana. He'd appear on the second day with the team walking past a guy laying a flower in front of the old dorm. Curious, one of the group goes up and talks to him. S/he would get Ken to show them around town. (My theory is Rise but that's mostly for the Actor Allusion that would be with the English VA's) During the process, they will get vague hints about his past with Persona, about how his life was once driven with revenge (with foreshadowing towards the future incident with Nanako) and how his friends and a girl he knew saved him from himself. His relationship with the girl will be left vague, for sanity's sake, though he admits to a crush. He may or may not go to club Escpade with the group.
Teddie and the TV world are suffering body horrorteddies human form is his real form. as is the lush green TV world: izanami came along, found that changing it (and teddie, accidentally) would be easier than making a New world for her plans.
Shadow Mitsuo is not Mitsuo's real Shadow.Blink and you'll miss it. At the beginning of Mitsuo's boss battle, his Shadow says "I am a Shadow. Come.. I'll end your emptyness." HOWEVER — he never says "[I am] the true self"! It seems very strange that this was left out, particularly considering that Mitsuo is the fake final boss. Perhaps, like Nanako, Mitsuo's ego was not developed enough for him to create an actual Shadow. The Shadow that appears to him was probably created by Adachi to make the Inaba Scoobies more convinced of his guilt. Hey, he did make a Shadow for Teddie after all..
Teddie is Louis Cypher.He maybe aware of it, and he may not, but Take a look◊ and see for yourselves if there is a resemblance.◊ Long WMG short, Izanami was in the way of whatever shit he was planning, so he wanted to take her down, and used the party to do it. If he really doesn't remember who he is, then he may have tried before, and gotten curb-stomped, but the desire to stop her didn't go away, even if his reasons for why he wanted to stop her changed.
Teddie is really Theo.When you choose to be the male main character, or choose Elizabeth in the female path, Theo, who was a what could have been choice, still exists, but cannot take a form. Eventually his spirit takes the form of Teddie, and joins up with the P4 crew. Also, note that Teddie seems to recognize the Velvet room, and the fact that he was able to get there is considered notable by Igor. This may be because he was a occupant of the room at one point in his existence.
Naoto actually has a pretty sizable chest.She just binds it down, since she's so embarrassed by it. She even kept the tape on during the hot springs scene. Hence why Rise was so shocked at her physical exam results.
People of the Fool Arcana are natural Wild Cards, and therefore subject to different rules than Wild Cards of different arcanas.It would explain why the main characters in Persona 3 and 4 don't have to directly meet Philemon in order to receive the ability to use multiple Personas, and why, unlike the characters in the earlier games or Aigis in the Answer, they have to rely on Social Links in order to power themselves up.
Izanagi is the narrator of the game.Considering that he was given to the protagonist by Izanami, it would also help explain why the narration is wheedling the protagonist to simply go home after he talks with all of his Max S-link friends the day before he leaves Inaba.
Souji/Yu is the love child of Nakajima and Yumiko from Digital Devil Story. And Serph Sheffield is actually Nakajima's pseudonym.Souji loathes his father so much that he changes his name to Yu Narukami, but his real name truly is Souji Nakajima. Yes, Tropers. Souji "Nakajima" is the son of Akemi Nakajima/Serph Sheffield. Akemi Nakajima changed his name to Serph Sheffield and flew to wherever the hell Digital Devil Saga take place in after he impregnated Yumiko. Although Serph is Varna, Serph Sheffield is not; he is Izanagi. And yes, that means Izanami gave birth to her husband. Here, have a Brain Bleach.
Shadows of humans in the TV world are fragments of NyarlathotepIn Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Nyarlathotep claimed that he gets his power from ignorance, anger, and vengeance. While he does gain power from other emotions, these are his primary sources of energy. Note that all three of these emotions are treated as 'negative' emotions. So Nyarlathotep is defeated, the heroes hit the Reset Button and the world lives to see another day. Problem solved, right? Except that Nyarlathotep's power sources haven't been destroyed. Essentially, as long as humanity exists, there's a possibility he'll return...and try to kill everybody again. But why hasn't he? Well, that last run-in he had with the Persona 2 gang knocked him up quite a bit. So much, in fact, that Nyarlathotep could no longer hold himself together and his essence scattered. These little pieces of Nyarlathotep are what we see as Shadows in Persona 4; ugly, negative feelings that the characters don't want to acknowledge as a part of themselves, and which manifested much more easily and powerfully in the TV world. They aren't made up of only anger/ignorance/vengeance because those aren't the only negative emotions of the human psyche, which is where Nyarlathotep gets his power from. He gains strength from whatever the most powerful emotions coming from an individual human are, whether it's jealousy or rejection or loneliness, and the only reason he mentioned those three emotions specifically is because they were most relevant to the humans he'd been conversing with (the Persona 2 protagonists). On that note, the shadow monsters from Persona 3, as well as those in Persona 4 that aren't Shadow-forms of humans, could be smaller fragments of Nyarlathotep since they emerge from the same source but aren't actually strong enough to retain a human conscience like the Shadow-Characters. The Kirijo company was responsible for calling the Shadows, not creating them. If this is the case, it would explain what Philemon's been doing - breaking himself into smaller pieces of Persona, which he ordered Igor to grant to those with the potential to use, in order to hold back Nyarlathotep's onslaught. However much of a god he is, it might be difficult for him to hold back Nyarlathotep over a wide area. That Philemon isn't the type to normally get directly involved with human affairs can also be solved if you recall that Nyarlathotep isn't really himself anymore - rather, his will is spread out and not concentrated, which makes it hard to keep the Shadows in control. Bit difficult to play chess with something like that. This also neatly sets up Persona 3, since if Philemon's busy splitting himself into pieces, it would explain why he had to get the MC to do so much of the work, at least until either a better solution presents itself or humanity finally learns from its mistakes. It makes even more sense if you think of Erebus as a particularly large portion of Nyarlathotep, as well as a branch of humanity's emotions that grew in power since the ending of Eternal Punishment. Finally, both Nyarlathotep and the Shadow-Characters have yellow eyes, which was the original starting point of this WMG.
Shadows are the basis of Puella Magi Madoka Magica's Witches(major spoiler warning for Madoka Magica if you haven't finished/seen it yet) Witches in the Madokaverse are essentially the souls of despairing Magical Girls, so perhaps Kyubey's race discovered the existence of Shadows and used them as part of their plans to harvest energy from human emotions?
Lifting the fog in Persona 4 symbolized the end of humanity's wish to die, freeing the Protagonist of Persona 3.Or at least help relieve the burden on the Protagonist of Persona 3 a lot.
The main characters' personas in Persona 3 vs. those in Persona 4 reflect the game's environment.Persona 4 takes place in a rural Japanese town, and so the main characters' personas are based on Japanese folklore. Persona 3 is set in a (westernized) city, so the characters' personas are based on Greek mythology.
Morooka was actually trying to be a cool teacher, but was failing miserably.He comes off such a huge jerk because he either has some form of Autism, the primary effect of which on him is causing him to make jokes that instead come off as being horribly mean.
The new character in P4 Golden, Marie, is a version of Margaret.The names are similar, AND Marie wears the blue colors associated with the Velvet Room residents.
Alternatively Marie is a reincarnation of Metis from P3 FES
Alternatively times two, Marie will be the Aeon Social Link in The Golden.Think about it. Her clothes resemble the denizen's of the Velvet Room, plus she's got a big V on her hat, similar to Theodore. If that's true, then she's also non-human and would have to learn the ways of actual human beings, thus explaining why she's Aeon. (Plus, Aeon was the only one not used in the original, so it makes sense in a meta sort of way.)
Marie is the daughter of Maki and the ProtagonistMarie has a similar name and looks kinda like Maki with darker hair. Who has that type of hair? The orignal Persona's protagonist.
The events of the Persona fighting game will show how the P3 MC comes back to life, if not, The Golden will.There's an image of another Fool on the character select screen. Why not?
Mystery Food X shall be a special move in the fighting game.In this case, the One-Hit Kill move.
The Final Boss in the fighting game will be...... So ridiculously cheap and hard that even the worst Arc System Works had brought out thus far (GG Justice, GGX Dizzy, GGX2 I-No, Unlimited Nu, Unlimited Ragna, Unlimited Hazama, Mu-12) COMBINED will still wince in fear. Because when you have a company known for their massive That One Boss collection MAKE a fighting game... it's bound to happen.
Teddie is all that remains of Ryoji from the previous gameOkay, this is a stretch, but let's go for it. It IS Wild Mass Guessing, after all. Also, lots of spoilers for the end of P3 and some things in P4. If you have not finished either game or cheated and watched it on Youtube, you have been warned.
Reasons for the strange eye symbol that can randomly appear on a character's status screenAs seen here◊
Some other features/random trivial tidbits that will be in The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena
Ryoji will be an extra/hidden/boss character in The Ultimate.He is still an avatar/fragment to Nyx, but for now his role is to observe humanity's ways and keep in touch with Nyx and the Persona 3 protagonist. In fact, one of Aigis's reasons for entering the tournament in the first place is to investigate his purpose. Since the Persona 3 protagonist sort of raised Ryoji and gave him humanity, his fighting style will utilize a one-handed sword for a weapon and Thanatos as his Persona. Finally, Night Queen will be his most powerful super, being his equivalent to Jayoku Hotenjin!
In the new Persona 4: Golden, Souij/Yu will finally have the option to date Yosuke.
Teddie is a "proto-Philemon" Shadow
Premise for a Persona 4:FESThe main character is resettling ack to his old life and when he starts the new school year, he sees that Izanami is now attending his school. FOR SOME REASON!
The Golden will include a crossoverThere will be another crossover with Capcom, like Nocturne, except that it will involve another addition to the story, not a side quest to get a new party member/Persona (Although getting Sparda as a Persona would be cool). Now, it can work as one of two ways, either a short television appearance/reference to their Japanese names, or a full blown unlockable minigame where you have to get involve, getting either MC/Narukami/Seta or Miles Edgeworth to convict Mitsuo or Adachi, or even get Phoenix to defend Nametame or the MC from murder charges. Oh, come on, wouldn't it be awesome to have either Phoenix or Miles fighting Shadows with either Maya or Pearl as support? Also, Yosuke and Naoki could get closure by speaking to Saki.
Other Golden crossover ideas
Building on the Souji moves back to Inaba WMG...
Adachi's vomiting was real, not fake as suggested on the main page.
Aika Nakamura is Aigis in disguise.
Mitsuo is Namatame's son.They sort of look alike and it's not impossible that Namatame dated and got pregnant a woman before Ms. Yamano. She didn't tell him, however, and raised him under the name of her husband, one Mr. Kubo.
Naoto isn't related to any Kuzunoha but to NarumiHe's actually a detective and not just posing as one...
The Personae that you unlock from maxing out a Social Link represent how the Main Character sees the person that SL representsMada (Magician) represents Yosuke because he's a pervert that doesn't always think things through properly. Thus hothead with hotpants. Kohryu (Hierophant) represents Dojima because Dojima is the protector and overseer of his domain, Inaba.
Kanji is BiOkay, WHY hasn't anyone thought about this before? Isn't it possible that his Shadow is just flanderized latent bisexuality? Why is everyone so fixated on calling him completely straight or completely gay when there's a perfectly reasonable third option open?
Naoto is really L.The "grandfather" she lives with is Watari, and Naoto Shirogane is just one of her aliases.
Aika is IzanamiTheir hair is fairly similar, neither of them adhere to Curtains matching the Window (unlike essentially everyone else), and we all know how important blue/grey-haired people end up being in Shin Megami Tensei properties. It would explain how she's capable of being basically everywhere at any point in time, and wouldn't Izanami like to keep a closer eye on her most recent pawn?. The fact they went to the trouble to add her to the Anime despite not apparently doing anything with her (at the time of writing) seems to led credence to this theory.
Daidara was a persona user when the same events went down fifty years ago
alternatively to the above Hisano and her Husband may have been Persona users
The Golden will have a new story, à la The AnswerIf the PS Vita can re-create the magic that is Persona 4, then they probably end up making a sequel storyline, just like what Atlus did to Persona 3. It'll probably be something that would end up linking the stories of 3 and 4 together, and maybe prepare the world for the fifth game.
Yu hasn't moved back to InabaIt's somewhat possible that he could enter the Midnight Channel and meet up with his old friends there. As for the uniform, he's just nostalgic.
Golden WMGJust for the sake of accessibility, please put all future WMGs about the Updated Re-release here. Anyway, to get everybody started, here's everything known so far about the Golden:
Yu Narukami is playing on a New Game+The proof? He has access to high-level personas far earlier than he should. Also, the Reaper appears in episode 24. The first time around, he put Namatame into the television and aquired the bad ending. Also, the first time around he didn't max out any social links, thus the ultimate personas are new to him when he fuses them in the anime. As a result, Igor decided to send Yu back in time to Set Right What Once Went Wrong. When Yu decides not to throw Namatame into the television, it's not because Nanako tells him it's the wrong thing to do, but rather his memory tells him that if he puts Namatame into the TV now, everything will be lost and he will have to do everything all over again. As to why his social stats are so low in the beginning, well, I guess he never bothered raising them.
Marie will play a part in Persona 5The stylized V in her character design may make this possible. After Yu helps Marie in whatever issues she may have, she will play a part in the next installment, possibly even being Igor's replacement, seeing as how his VA died.
Aika is Aigis, Marie is Metis:
"Reach Out To The Truth" is sung from Nanako's perspective.Let's dissect it, shall we? Now I face out, I hold out, I reach out to the truth of my life seeking to seize the whole moment, yeah!<-Nothing significant. Yeah, naked truth lies/ Only if you realize<-If you can look past the easy answer, the truth is quite easy to see. Appearing in nobody's eyes/ 'Till they sterilize<-Just to throw in a rhyme. Stop the guerrilla warfare to keep it fair<-Nanako is Justice, so she would want everything to be fair. Attacking an enemy from behind gets you a cheap advantage. Bro, change your rage to smarter, greater cause!<-She calls Narukami "onii-chan"/"big bro", and if you give in to your anger and kill Namatame, she gets Killed Off for Real. You know the stake is high, stardom is near<-Her life, then the lives of the entire world are at stake here, and if you do things right, you'll be remembered as a hero. Those who sympathize you die<-She's the only one who believes you, and suffers a Disney Death after her dungeon. Killers pass you by<-I don't know how she figured it out (maybe she just guessed), but who among us thought that Adachi was the culprit at first? Do not waste your time hating floating guys<-Kunino-Sagiri was floating during the fight against him, was he not? Use your might to A.I.s<-Just saying it's better to directly control your allies and not risk Artificial Stupidity. Justice to them all<-Think about it. During the True Ending, everyone gets what they deserve. Narukami's a hero, Namatame's free to go, Adachi's in prison, and the fog of deceit has left humanity's heart forever. ...seeking the seize the whole moment to now break away!<-She wanted to be freed from Namatame, but a little girl could never break away from a grown man. Oh God, let me out, can you let me out?/ Can you set me free from this dark inner world?<-Should be obvious. Save me now, last beat of the soul!<-After you save her, she gets her aforementioned Disney Death.
Aika is really...Minato Arisato. After the events of Persona 3, Minato got a sex change and moved to Inaba to avoid the wrath of all the girls who discovered he was cheating on them. He, or rather, she, now watches over Narukami as a concerned senpai, wanting to make sure that he uses the Wild Card power properly.
Sousei Kurogami may be the "half-brother" of Aegis and Labrys.Sousei Kurogami, a new character of Persona x Dectective Naoto and a "mechanized" detective, was secretly created by the rival manufacture of the Kirijo Group (including those who formerly worked for). Yet, the Kirijo Group were still unaware of Sousei's existence.
Marie and Yu are Reincarnated Lovers.Yu is the Izanagi's Reincarnated, just like his initial Persona; while Marie is the Reincarnation of Izanami, as she reveals herself as Kusumi-no-okami, the Avatar of Izanami. In the myth, when Izanagi ignored Izanami's warning and saw his lover's decaying body, seeing such horrifying sight caused him to run away from her, which angers Izanami. Ever since escaping Yomi, he starts to regret for his action that he wished to make things right. Though, it's too late for Izanagi to change the past, but he hope that in the next life, he'll make it better. As the Investigation Team arrived in Marie's dungeon and saw her true form, Marie begs all of them to leave her, just as Izanagi left Izanami. However, Yu decided not to leave her and tries to rescue her, even accepts her who she is, something that Izanagi wished he would've done in his past.
Or, Marie is the daughter of the Persona 3 Protagonist and Elizabeth.Just think about it: Marie's character-style, along with in one trailer she has showed up beside Igor and Margaret. Whose to say that maybe Elizabeth did find the Protagonist eventually?
All of Naoto's problems could have been solved from the start...If only she'd had a sassy gay friend. It would be Yosuke.
Izanami, or even PHILEMON, for that matter, wasn't The Chessmaster after all.Hear me out. Now, you know how on the first day of the game, when you get to Inaba and go to sleep? You wake up in this mysterious place that later you assume to be the TV World. But it isn't. It's the Protagonist's mind. You wake up with fog everywhere and nothing but the path before you.
Teddie was Izanami's minion in the beginning. And mankind's savior.Think about it. He had been living in the TV World even before Adachi or Narotame entered that place. He also got all the stuff needed to navigate(and get out of) there safely (the glasses, the Escape TVs)to supply the team with. So, in his pre-human period, Teddie acted as Izanami's tourist service, guiding the heroes as they navigated the World. But, after prolonged interaction with the team, Teddie developed humanity. That thing was not in Izanami's plan. Teddie's humanization probably made Izanami thought: If there's a group of humans who could accept a monster (let's face it, a hollow sentient bear is pretty much an abomination), and help it become better, then perhaps there's good traits to humanity after all. That belief in humanity's potential (Remember what Ameno-Sagiri said when he was defeated, about the heroes having a special potential ?) motivated her to remove the fog in Yomotsu Hirasaka (the True End level), giving the team a chance to end her rule. She was confident that even without her judgment, mankind had a chance to prosper on their own, with their good traits. In short, Teddie was a goddamn hero. Without him, perhaps the team would never had been able to reach Izanami, let alone defeating her. About Teddie's origin: Izanami probably abducted some random guy to the TV World to extract his Shadow, then sent him out(If that guy died in the TV World, his body would be the first to turn up on the antenna. Not good for Izanami's plan.). Then she made that Shadow into Teddie, and gave it a new form (a bear), so that it could not enter the real world (a hollow bear rampaging town probably was the least thing Izanami wanted for her plan).
Traveling from the real world to the Midnight Channel isn't easy...... Because it requires a new TV every time when you need to activate a portal. Sure, you can still look through it after making the portal, but you can't go through it again. Case in point: In the beginning of the game, the MC accidentally goes through his own TV after seeing the Midnight Channel for the first time. However, he never again goes through it again for the rest of the game. Another point can be made with the Protagonist's base of operations, Junes. Inside, there is a large and rather expansive set of TV's that the protagonists can go through. Why is this convenient to the WMG? Because the TV's there get stocked and re-stocked over time. Think about it: If none of the TV's got sold, then one by one, each portal would close for the protagonists, effectively locking them out. But since the TV's get replaced, they can still go through without having to worry about running out of portals. This can also explain one of Persona 4's Wall Bangers: Why didn't the MC reveal his power to his uncle when he got apprehended? Answer: He did, but the portal was broken before hand. Who broke it? Adachi did! He broke it when he pushed his second victim into the Midnight Channel!
The Main Character grows up to be a Detective.He's already solved one big mystery and have you seen him in the "Hard Boiled Look"? It's perfect.
The Protagonist is Emptiness, not Hope.The fact that, in the Updated Re-release, Igor's line about how the Wild Card is "empty, yet holding infinite potential" is changed to actually include the word "emptiness" is was really seals the deal for this troper, but. . .
Shadow Teddie was a Sagiri.Think about it. Rise says that he doesn't seem like a "natural" Shadow, he immediately goes berserk and attacks instead of waiting for Teddie to say "You're not me!", and the entire basis of his Breaking Lecture is that the party is wasting their time searching for the truth...which is exactly what Ameno-Sagiri and Izanami tell them during their respective confrontations.
Margaret, along with Elizabeth and Theodore, are Shadows.Notice how the boss Shadows the team faces all have yellow eyes? All of Igor's assistants have yellow eyes as well. Ergo, it's possible that they, much like Teddie, are Shadows that have gained humanity and the ego necessary to use Personas.
Aika is connected to the Velvet RoomShe has blue hair, while every other member of the Velvet Room has some blue on them (and given she has to wear a uniform, hair is her only consistent). She follows the Investigation Team around and happens to have connections at Port Island. And her Dissonant Serenity just screams Velvet Room to me.
Ms Kashiwagi is related to the sales assistant at Anima Mundi from Persona 2Obviously, since Persona 2 takes place at some stage in 1999, and the sales assistant appears to be the same age as Tatsuya, they cannot be the same people. Yet, they bear a strong resemblance to each other (hair, face), dislike the popular idol-type (Rise and Lisa respectively), and harbour an infatuation with the main character (moreso with Anima Mundi lady). It's possible anima mundi's lady is a younger sister/cousin of Kashiwagi. Or if nothing else, she merely inspired Kashiwagi.
The Protagonist does have a Shadow......And it's you. At least, in the game. Think about it: He's essentially a Blank Slate Flat Character until given some definition by you, Yosuke's and Chie's lines about him "being an open person" with "nothing to hide"—because it's not him directly. He's just an OC Stand In. Also, whenever Igor addresses the Protagonist, it's seen from a first-person perspective, and the metaphor of going through TVs which wasn't in the previous game: You're the hidden side of the protagonist, on the other side of the TV. Also, subtly, none of the characters ever seem to notice the "blue flame" effect around the Shadow Characters, but you can see it.
Adachi's vomiting was sincereYes, at the time he was in crazy rape mode, but he didn't intend to kill Mayumi Yamano. In fact, he was in love with her — or at least, infatuated with her. When he saw that his tantrum ended up killing someone that he thought he was in love with, his first reaction was to puke in horror and his next reaction was to go off the deep end of nihilism.
Kanji's tattoo is a temporary stick-onThink about it, Kanji's tattoo is missing during all of the bath scenes, the cross dressing scenes, and even missing on his shadow. Explanation, it's a stick on. Also, real tattoos are illegal in Japan. Also again just to add to this, in the Beach scene in Golden we can clearly see Kanji's tattoo in the cut scene before hand, yet when he's changed into his swimsuit, it's gone.
The endings of all the endings where Adachigets away with it are the same They all died and turned into shadows. The ending we see? It's all a lie, crafted because they turned away from the truth.
The Investigation Team actually could've used their powers outside of the TV.At one point in the game, while looking for Nanako I believe, Rise laments that she can't summon Himiko / Kanzeon to find her. However, this doesn't exactly seem to be the case. In P 4 A, Mitsuru is extremely surprised at how easy it is to summon one's persona in the TV World, because the TV World seems to be, essentially the birthplace of Shadows and Personas, and would then have a much stronger connection to them. Which also means that, for the Investigation Team, they've always experienced summoning their Personas to be effortless. They barely have to try to summon them - then, in the Real World, which doesn't have the same connection to their Personas, summoning them would actually be rather difficult. Since they've never had problems like that before, they simply assumed that, because they couldn't effortlessly summon their Personas, that it meant that they couldn't summon their Personas at all. Of course, whether or not summoning their Personas in the real world would be difficult enough to require an Evoker is up in the air.
The shadow operatives seen in silhouette in Arena is the Wu-Tang Clan
"Naoto" is a psuedonym.Naoto has done everything she can to cover up the fact that she's a female. This also includes changing her name from the feminine "Nao" or "Naoko" to the masculine "Naoto." Her Shadow even calls her out on this. (""Naoto"... what a cool, manly name. But a name doesn't change the truth. It doesn't let you cross the barrier between the sexes.")
Nakajima is the MC's fatherIt's why the MC has Izanagi as his Persona.
Marie calls Igor "the Nose" because she doesn't know his nameOr, rather, she's not allowed to know his name. Marie and Elizabeth / Theo are fully fledged Velvet Room assistants and are thus allowed to know his name. Marie, being simply an assistant-in-training, isn't allowed to know Igor's actual name and must refer to him respectfully by his title until she completes her training (which she admittedly never does).
Izanami-no-Mikoto/Marie is the same Izanami from Persona 2In Tatsuya's scenario, Izanami's anger towards Izanagi has disappeared and the curse she made long ago has ceased. Now she yearns for him like the old days, while wearing a mask, to crush her emotions, as she still feels love for Izanagi, as she wishes to be with him once more. Many years passed, she still yearns for him that she decided to protect Humanity, in hope that once Izanagi knows about this, he will return to her. That's when Nyarlathotep comes in. He informs Izanami by telling her that Izanagi cannot return to her, as he has been reincarnated in the Mortal World (as Narukami Yu). So, he provided Izanami the opportunity to reunite with him by offering her the Bamboo Comb. Once she use this, she will be reincarnated and reunite with Izanagi's reincarnated. However, the Bamboo Comb was part of Nyarlathotep's sceme, as it doesn't grant Izanami reincarnation, but instead, it cause her to be separated into "fragments": Ameno-sagiri, Kunino-sagiri, Kusumi-no-Okami (AKA Marie, which serves as the Goddess's true vessel), and Izanami-no-Okami (the half part of the Goddess' desire to grant Humanity's wish). Despite that, she was able to make a fateful encounter with Izanagi's reincarnated. And once all the fragments have been defeated, Izanami-no-Mikoto is finally whole again, but decided to remain here as Kusumi Mariko, as she finally got what she wanted the most: to be with Yu/Izanagi again.
The voices you hear in the TV World's Konishi Store was aimed at YousukeThe voices you heard Saki berating Yousuke was not actually her real thoughts, they were Yousuke's thoughts because deep down he knows he's not welcomed in Inaba. I thought it was odd that you could "hear" Saki's final thoughts at the liquor store but not Ms. Yamano's in her room. [[Yu is suspicious of Adachi in utimax because he feels betrayed after the events of the game]] Yu durring Ultimax seems to be extra untrusting of Adachi mostly cause they were close friend in his mind finding out he ws the murderer really hurt Yu who despite evidence pointing away from him cannot forgive Adachi due to pent up feelings of betrayal by his "friend Adachi on the other hand is trying extra hard not just to obey the rules but because deep down that friendship meant something to him as well