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Fridge: Persona 4
Fridge Brilliance
  • The stories of Orpheus and Izanagi are remarkably similar in many respects- a god/hero journeys into the underworld in the hopes of rescuing a deceased lover, yet the act of seeing her ruins any chance he had to fulfill that resurrection. It probably isn't a coincidence that the first Persona received by the main characters of games 3 and 4 are Orpheus and Izanagi respectively.
  • When you first meet Adachi he's puking at the scene of a murder, Why if he's the one that killed her? Because he didn't intend to kill her, he just shoved her into the TV and next time she shows up he's dead. Perhaps he just then realized he'd murdered someone! More than enough reason to puke his guts out. He's plenty nuts, but murdering someone is still a big deal.
    • More than likely, it's not that she died, it's that she was there. Think about it. You just defied the laws of time and space to commit was has to be history's most perfect crime...only to discover the body was spat back out. After you were the last person not only to speak to her, but to touch her. Adachi must've been certain his prints would be lifted off her.
  • Unlike Yukari and Aigis, fellow long range fighters Yukiko and Naoto sometimes stumble after missing an attack. This seems stupid at first until you realize that also unlike their Persona 3 counterparts, both Yukiko and Naoto get up close for their Critical Hit attacks and thus can stumble after missing said attacks - Yukiko makes several melee strikes with her fan at the start of her critical hit, and although Naoto doesn't kick at the enemy until the end of hers, she does walk towards the enemy while firing, making it possible for her to trip.
    • Actually if you ever watched how every character misses, trips and falls in both P3 and P4, you would see it's because they went out of sequence in doing their Critical Hit attacks (Akihiko doing his uppercut too early, Mitsuru missing with the front kick, etc). Therefore, when Naoto trips, it's because she tried to hit with her punt kick the enemy too early without softening them up first.
  • Another piece, courtesy of the Giant Bomb Endurance Run, concerning a baseball bat weapon for the main character: it deals good damage for the point that you can get it, but it's hit rating is 30, a third of normal weapons. The two guys playing note that one out of three is a good hit ratio for a baseball player.
    • Except baseball players are hitting small balls flying at high speeds. The main character is fighting hulking monsters.
    • I thought that its low hit was a reference to Casey at the Bat, like the Casey Bat in Earthbound
  • How did Yukiko know about the King's Game? She learned it at the inn.
    • In fact, when the team goes to Shadow Rise's dungeon, she's quick to say that nobody at the Amagi Inn knows anything about such sleazy places.
    • This is Truth in Television, some of the tourists who come here often ask about places where they could get drunk/laid. And the Amagi Inn's influx of entertainers will require her family to have unofficially a good deal of knowledge about such places to stay in business. Or at least keep the amount of sordid affairs to a minimum
  • In Persona 3, the MC seals Nyx to prevent human nihilism, AKA Erebus from contacting Nyx, causing Nyx to grant our wish and kill us all (or something like that). Aigis decides to try change human nature, so that this is not necessary. in Persona 4 killing Izanami causes humans to stop wishing for false things. this HAD to help Aigis.
    • Almost. Izanami didn't die per say, more like her physical form was destroyed, and she swore to stop intervening in human affairs. However, this doesn't invalidate the above point. Thanks to her fog and manipulation, Aigis's goal would have previously been impossible. At the very least, there's now a chance at success.
  • Teddie's Rank 1 Social Link seems rather out of place - it's before he joins the party, and that's when you get the whole "You are now friends! (Name) WILL NOW DIE FOR YOU." However, this is a case of story and gameplay coinciding - before he joins the party, he takes a massive hit from knocking out Shadow Rise and saving the Protagonist from death.
    • I always thought that it was because you were now friends with Teddie. You became friends with Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko, the rest of the party, and they took hits for you. I always just thought that Teddie was that much of a good friend.
  • Chie is somehow able to go around in winter in those tiny shorts without complaint. Why? Her persona is resistant/immune to ice.
  • The anime has already done this. The very day the anime's website opened was on April 11th. What day did the protagonist move to Inaba...?
    • Even the PV s are put on the website the day the person gets kidnapped.
  • This one hit me while I was reading the Protagonist's entry on the character page. I was wondering why Kanji initially trusts and admires the protagonist more then the other party members, but when you think about it the Protagonist is the only other party member who knows Real Men Wear Pink.
  • The reason Rise's breasts appeared too large when she appeared on the Midnight Channel was because her agency added several centimetres to her measurements when they released them, and the public who read this them was the source of the image.
    • Equally likely is that pictures of Rise were photoshopped to make her look sexier, considering this goes on in real life & it ties into the motivation for Rise quitting - It's another aspect of her life that's being faked for the cameras.
  • Yosuke learns only a handful of healing spells and Chie learns only three ice spells plus Ice Boost. Teddie learns both healing spells and Ice spells. In another words, Teddie takes the skill types Chie and Yosuke give up - and he joins around the time Yosuke learns Diarama and Chie learns Bufula.
  • The party only move from the Fool arcana to the Judgement if you avoid the false answers of the bad ending, becoming Seekers of Truth rather than foolish Investigators.
  • The background music for Yomotsu Hirasaka is spelt as 回廊 in Japanese; the doors in that dungeon are square shaped, and resemble the first kanji.
  • Yukiko has dark hair and pale skin, and is usually associated with the colour red. Her shadow takes the form of a princess because she's constantly waiting for a prince to come. Her name translates as "snow child". She's Snow White.
  • It may be pure coincidence but Yu summoning Lucifer against Ameno Sagiri turns quite meaningful when you remember that Lucifer means "light bringer".
    • And that Ameno-Sagiri claims that he will be the ruler of order in the new world. Now, what does good ol' Lucy represent again?
    • Lucifer is the ultimate Judgement persona and the Judgement arcana is about uncovering the truth.
  • Yosuke means "helps" in japanese!!!
  • In Persona 3, money seemed to be little object towards the end of the game, and it was quite easy to max out your money on a single playthrough. In Persona 4, however, money is a lot more scarce, and even towards the end you may not have enough to really purchase everything unless you're being frugal. At first, it seems like a simple gameplay mechanic update, but in retrospect, it makes sense. S.E.E.S. is supported by the Kirijo group, a powerful organization whom Mitsuru is part of. Lots of money can be thrown in their direction since the Dark Hour is a serious threat. The Investigation Team, however, is just a bunch of students trying to solve a mystery. There's no backing or anything. All their stuff they have to pay for out of pocket, so it makes sense they have less money to throw around.
  • When you think about it, coming to the conclusion that Adachi's the killer is rather easy. Out of all the main and side characters, Adachi's the one you know the least about. The only real fact you know about him is that he was transferred from the city because of a screw up... And other than, that, you know nothing.
  • Why are Teddie and Rise not as good at analyzing the shadows as Mitsuru and Fuuka were in Persona3? There's a fog of deception covering the TV world.
  • Golden: Very fitting that at the end of the ski trip, Marie uses Ziodyne instead of any other attack on the boys for peeping on the girls at the hot springs. Considering Yosuke and Teddie are weak to lightning, while Souji/Yu and Kanji are immune to it, she knew who was really at fault and punished them accordingly.
  • Rie Kugimiya plays as an idol who is secretly sick of being pigeonholed into her role as a peppy teenage ditz. Hmm...
    • This can be a reason why Rie voice Rise, in some way, another said of Rie. Where the fan she Rie as the Queen of Tsundere.
  • Speaking of Rise, she goes absolutely nuts in the Golden when Marie refuses her request to stop hugging the protagonist by saying "I'm tired of standing! Enough of getting up! Good thing there's someone even I can hug!" Initially, this makes no sense, until you realize that this is a direct jab at the ad that Rise did AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
  • During the fight against Kunino-Sagiri, he ends up turning your team mates against you. While fighting this boss in Golden, Rise chose to raise the team's attack the exact turn after they had been turned against MC. Originally it seemed like a glitch, but then it hit me; Rise had been turned against MC too.
  • Why did the True Ending get an epilogue in Golden? It's providing a happy ending inplace of the original's Bittersweet Ending. It's a golden ending.
  • This slightly overlaps with Fridge Horror, but in Golden, it bothered me that Adachi's Social Link has the arcana "Jester," which isn't a real Tarot card in any version of the Tarot that this troper is aware of (as opposed to, say, Marie's "Aeon," which is an occasionally-seen alternate for "Judgment"). But then I realized that the fake Tarot card makes sense: Adachi is only pretending to like you, and is secretly just keeping an eye on your actions as a player in his "game." The bond isn't genuine, hence neither is the Arcana.
    • Further more, why does it become the "Hunger" arcana if you don't cover up for him? Hunger for the truth.
      • Another note about the Hunger Arcana: it's numbered 11, same as Strength, but whereas Strength represents power with self-control, Hunger (aka Lust) is about abuse of that power and the feeling of bliss associated with it. Concerning how it fits Adachi, take a look at everything he got away with during the course of the game.
    • Apparently, "Jester" is actually an alternate for "Fool"; Adachi does seem to fit the reversed meaning of the card (in the sense that one is squandering their abilities by going down the wrong path).
    • Mind you, "Jester" and "Hunger" are really supposed to be "Pierrot" and "Lust", both of which are from the Thoth deck, like the Aeon arcana.
    • Furthermore, the evolution into the Hunger Arcana also represents the bond itself. If you choose to cover up for him, the Social Link maxes out as the Jester Arcana, symbolizing the fact that you've solidified a false bond, and Adachi is smug, knowing that he's gotten away with everything. If, on the other hand, you choose to expose his crimes, then not only does it max out as the Hunger Arcana, but the story hints that Adachi might be on his way to genuinely atoning for his crimes. In other words, your once fake bond has become the real deal.
  • Why does Naoto get votes from boys and girls during the Miss Yasogami paegant? She was the only one who didn't take part in the swimsuit contest, so it's possible that a large number of the girls voted for her because she was the only one who didn't go along with Teddie's game.
  • In the ski trip in Golden, the Investigation Team pairs off in such a way that they were in the pairings which receive Ship Teasing during the game - the Protagonist & Rise, Yosuke & Chie, and Kanji & Naoto. The pairing of Teddie & Yukiko doesn't really receive any Ship Tease moments, but isn't a case of Pair the Spares - They're the two biggest ditzes in the group, with Teddie's habit for Incredi-bear-ly lame puns & terrible jokes, Yukiko laughing at pretty much anything, and both of them being somewhat out-of-touch with reality.
    • Well, Yukiko did accidentally introduce Teddie to the concept of "scoring."
  • The bad ending credits and the final dungeon have the same music. Why? In the bad endings, you're still trapped in the maze of Izanami's lies.
  • In Golden, the player gains the opportunity to dress the Investigation Team up in various costumes, with the sole exception of Rise. Whilst this is ostensibly because she's in a support role & not part of the frontline party, there is an in-character reason for it - as an Idol Singer & actress, Rise had to dress up in various costumes for her job. In fact, her Shadow is explicitly based around her desire for people to see her as Rise & not the various characters her job has her portray.
  • Shadow Teddie's design doesn't seem very symbolic at first, compared to the others. But after you've beaten the game, you might notice something familiar about his eyes — they're shaped like Ameno-Sagiri's eye, since Ameno-Sagiri is the one who created him, as hinted by Rise.
  • Why does the Midnight channel only show when its raining? Because rain naturally cuts through Fog.
  • Why do the Persona 3 mooks (and most enemy map-avatars) look like a bunch of pitch-black hands holding a mask, while the Persona 4 mooks look like acid-trip balls with giant tounges? Answer: It's all based on how the people in each city LIE. At school where the battles take place, people talk and yap and push and bully and insult to create an outward appearance; a focused group effort at looking like total Jocks or Libbies. Meanwhile, in the rural television town, most of the lies come from rumors and myths; the shadows take the form of the obnoxious, big headed rumor-spreaders. Oh, and 99% of what you hear from the television is made of two things; smoke and mirrors. And the smoke comes from the wrecked sets.
  • The elemental attributes of the Investigation Team's Personae pertain in someway to what each Persona was as a Shadow.
    • Jiraiya knows Garu spells because Shadow Yosuke just wanted to be rid of Inaba.
    • Tomoe knows Bufu spells because Shadow Chie was a cold-hearted bitch who wanted nothing more than to make Yukiko — whose own Persona just happens to be weak to ice — her bitch.
    • Konohana-Sakuya knows Agi spells because Shadow Yukiko was willing to burn down anything that restrained her — including the prison that was the Amagi Inn.
    • Take-Mikazuchi knows Zio spells because Shadow Kanji was willing to strike down anyone who didn't accept him for what he was.
    • Himiko is a scanning Persona because Shadow Rise was the Shadow of someone who wanted others to get to know her better.
    • Kintoki-Douji knows Bufu spells because Shadow Teddie had a cold and bleak outlook on life.
    • Sukuna-Hikona knows Hama and Mudo spells because Shadow Naoto was the Shadow of someone who wanted to keep others in the dark about her own insecurities as she worked overtime to bring the truth of things to light. Shadow Naoto's resistance to Agi spells is also representative of her hidden anger and frustration at being belittled.
  • It should be obvious that Mitsuo isn't the real killer (except for Mooroka, anyway). He has a Shadow… which means he doesn't have a Persona, required to go to the TV World.
  • Anybody who played either part of Persona 2 should immediately pick up on something. The villain(s) for those games was The Joker. Adachi's Jester arcana is just a synonym away from being a Late-Arrival Spoiler.
  • I didn't notice it before but Namatame's role in the game is a satire on criminal justice in Japan. There is a serious problem in Japan where suspects are automatically judged to be guilty whether or not they actually did the crime, sometimes getting the death sentence. It got so bad that Japanese TV stations have to censor the suspect's hands so viewers can't see the handcuffs which might impair their judgement. In Persona 4, the Investigation Team was about to murder Namatame because the TV told them he was the culprit and half of them weren't even going to bother asking questions if it wasn't for Yu's intervention.
  • If you romance Chie Satonaka in Golden, on Valentine's Day, you get a scene with her at the beach where she goes on about how surprised she is that you chose her, when you could have had any of the other girls on the Investigation Team. This is actually Leaning on the Fourth Wall; as mentioned on the YMMV page, Chie is the least popular romantic choice, especially of the Investigation Team options, amongst the fans. She even engages in some Lampshade Hanging as to why; she's a Tomboy with a Girly Streak, meaning she's not as conventionally feminine as Yukiko, she's not as exotic as Naoto, and as for Rise, well, she's pretty much the epitome of desirability to average Japanese guys. It's quite understandable she's so surprised by the player's interest in her, she has every reason, In-Universe, to think she's not anyone's "type".
  • Kaguya Hime, the ultimate persona of the Aeon Arcana, has a very futuristic, almost metallic design... and rabbit ears. The latter seem out of place, unless you think about the origins of Kaguya Hime. Originally the main character of the famous Japanese folk story The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, Kaguya Hime is later revealed to belong to a group of celestial beings living on the moon. The designers incorporated this into her design by referencing the Moon Rabbit, another famous mythical figure.
  • The three people Izanami give the power to enter the TV to can be seen as representative of the Id Superego And Ego.
    • The id is basically the person's primal instincts. A person with too much focus on the id acts on all of his desires and urges without regard for others, in other words a sociopath. Pretty much fits Adachi. His entire motivation for his crimes was because he was bored and wanted to get some kicks out of the situation.
    • The superego is basically the person's morality. However, too powerful of a superego can also be a bad thing since it only acts on whether something is morally right. Namatame threw people into the TV out of an obsession to be the hero and "save" everyone, not stopping to think about what he was doing or what the world he was throwing people in was really like.
    • The ego is the mediator between the other two. It takes both the compulsions of the id, and the morality of the superego and applies both to reality to form sound, realistic actions. Yu acts as the calm, levelheaded leader of the Investigation Team, as best demonstrated when he stopped the Team from killing Namatame so that they could learn the truth.

Fridge Horror
  • Once you discover the identity of the killer, you can't help but think of all the times they just stood there, smiling with you, laughing with you, maintaining the facade of humanity. Think back on all the times they were helpful and friendly. Think of how they had dinner with you, and sat directly across from you the entire time. This person casually engineered the murders almost a dozen people, including a 7 year old girl and the son of a bitch just stood there smiling! The second playthrough is all the more chilling because you know what's happening but can't do anything to stop it...
  • The sexually-charged Midnight Channel debuts of Shadow Yukiko and Shadow Rise become a lot more disturbing when you remember that Adachi tried to force himself on one of their classmates.
  • Besides it being implied in the ending, there might be another clue that the Midnight Channel has been around for a LONG time. Remember the paintings of those people on the spiral at the entrance of the Midnight Channel? It could be people who were murdered before. And this painting is there even when you first enter the Midnight Channel. This reinforces the idea that the events of the game has happened before. And by the looks of the numbers of people, it was A LOT.
    • Actually, from what Mr Kondo the PE/English Teacher says, the town gets covered in fog every 50 years. Which is rather disturbing...
    • While meeting your maxed S-Links one elderly character will mention that they remember there being a similar incident several years ago.
    • Well, TVs are recent inventions, so chances are, if a similar incident did occur in Inaba, it probably only happened one other time.
    • Who said it had to be TV? WMG, but what if we take the interpretation that it's people instantly trusting a media source because it's easier to do that than find out the truth. Meaning that it could happen with say, newspapers. Especially tabloids.
  • At first, Yosuke's Shadow seems to be exaggerating how bored and lonely Yosuke feels deep down. Progressing his Social Link seems support this idea as well. Then you realize that the Shadow is the side we DON'T want people to see and that part of Yosuke really did just see everything as a tool to block out his pain. What makes it worse is that his Shadow tried to kill you, not because you opposed it or invaded its territory, BUT BECAUSE YOU BORED IT! Makes you wonder how badly Yosuke would've ended up if the Protagonist wasn't there.
    • If you mean psychologically… He would've ended up like Adachi, obviously. …Not that that makes it any better.
    • A very horrifying thought indeed, because Yosuke and Adachi are so scarily similar in their motivations. One has to wonder what would happen if Izanami instead choose Yosuke to represent "emptiness" in her game rather than Adachi...
  • The glasses that let you see through the TV-world fog are made by Teddie, but he claims he doesn't need any because has that ability naturally. Are the glasses made of Shadow eyes?!
    • How would he have gotten the eyes from other Shadows at the start of the game? He couldn't fight at all.
      • He is a Shadow, he can already see clearly. Then again, if he hasn't fought yet and a reliable way of forging things is to fight Shadows and collect the materials they drop . . .
      • Who says materials can only be gathered from Shadows? For all we know Teddie could have just went to a glasses shop counterpart in his world.
    • They probably would have shown the shop if it were that significant. Plus he mentions that he made them himself, so it's highly unlikely there's a glasses shop.
    • Given that Teddie has shown to both be capable of recovering from extensive damage quite quickly and to make things out of himself, such as the doll he gave Nanako, it's entirely possible that the lenses used in all the glasses were his own eyes.
    • Teddie can also make TV's appear to exit the TV world remember? It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say he could just magically "poof" new glasses for the investigation team to use anytime he wants.
  • When Nanako is kidnapped, the Investigation Team realizes that the kidnapper is able to snatch up his victims using his deliveryman job as a cover. Naoto specifically notes that Nanako must have opened the door to him because he had often delivered to the house before, and so wasn't a stranger. And what do you think he was delivering all those times? Why, all the things that you ordered from Tanaka's Commodities. Nice Job Getting Your Surrogate Sister Kidnapped, Hero.
  • The reason Adachi is reassigned from the city to Inaba is, according to him, some minor screw-up. However, considering his apparent psychosis at that point, just what would he consider a "minor screw-up"?
    • Considering how quickly he became violent towards Mayumi and Saki for "turning him down", this draws a disturbing parallel to the real-life epidemic of organizations transferring sexual abusers to rural locations...
  • One thing that a lot of people seem to forget is that Mitsuo although institutionalized now has the ability to enter into the tv world at will or worse to throw people in...scary.
    • Not really. Remember, he didn't accept his shadow and did not gain a persona. As a result, he lacks the power to enter of his own free will.
  • Daidara is a man unfazed by and perfectly willing to accept requests he create bladed weapons, and eventually functioning guns, that schoolchildren can conceal under their uniforms...
    • Of course, considering the state of the town's economy, he's probably willing to take any request he gets, regardless of morals.
    • Considering some of the strange requests Daidara himself makes, and some NPC conservations mentioning that the strange fog has appeared in Inaba before, it's a fairly popular theory that he's actually at least somewhat aware of what the Investigation Team is really up to, like Officer Kurosawa was in P3; hell, there's a conversation you can get where he'll give you a speech about how you should take pride in combating evil.
  • Souji's parents travel around a lot, and the manga seems to confirm that there were times when he was younger and all alone in his house. How much déjà vu do you think he feels looking at Nanako?
  • "Personae", in psychology, are masks used by people to hide your inner personality. Meanwhile, "Shadows" in the game are "manifestations of the true self". Remember what causes the Shadows to go berserk? That's right, by denying your own self, you become a Persona. That's why people faint when they do so and Shadows get a huge power boost. Also remember how messed up Mitsuo ended up when you destroyed the Shadow...
    • Related to that, if a "Shadow" is a manifestation of the true self, that means that every one of the lesser Shadows you've been casually killing in the dungeons (i.e. the various Mooks) was a manifestation of somebody's inner thoughts. That's right, you have been destroying pieces of peoples' minds. Overlaps with Fridge Brilliance: Why does the population of Inaba start going crazy and panicking about the fog near the end of the game? Because they're unstable without the parts of themselves you destroyed. Nice going, hero!
      • Actually, during Teddie's stint in the Velvet Room, it's implied there are actually two kinds of Shadows; the boss-Shadows represent repressed psyches, whilst the lesser Shadows that serve as enemy mooks are actually discarded mental slivers, fragments of ego without purpose or power. In other words, they're literally nothing but stray thoughts and brief flickers of emotion made manifest, in contrast to the far more potent "embodiments of denied personality aspects and emotional traumas" that serve as the bosses of each dungeon.
  • One of the WMGs of Persona 4's Good Ending hints at this. Now that the fog of deceit has been dissipated by the heroes and humanity can now witness the truth, that should be good, right? Well, Adachi and Mitsuo are proof that Be Yourself means accepting your inherent evil and depravity. Now there might be a new generation of villains accepting their shadows and gaining the power of Persona...
    • However, a lot of people suspect this is deliberate, when combined with the fact that the TV portals are explicitly stated to still function in both Good endings. It's essentially a perfect Sequel Hook, and, well, given how well Persona has been doing...
    • Uhh... except the idea is you accept your Shadow...as a metaphorical way of acknowledging your flaws, and then working to FIX them. The idea isn't "Just accept you're a monster" The idea is. "acknowledge you have a problem so you can fix it", so Mitsuo and Adachi had misinterpreted the message they were getting.
    • On a much lesser scale, there's the Amorous Snake miniboss. It's a wiggly white blob that fights by giving you lots of status ailments. You find it in a strip club dungeon.
      • That means the status ailments are sexually transmitted diseases, and the white blob is semen. BLEUGH.
    • Let's not forget that the Shadows are Anthropomorphic Personifications of real mental issues that the characters are suffering. When battling any one of those bosses, just think about what it takes to create that.
    • Since it doesn't come up in his Motive Rant, of course most fans wouldn't notice it, but Adachi wrote the warning notes and then arranged for Nanako to be shown on the Midnight Channel. Which means he was willing to kill a seven-year-old and the daughter of his BOSS! to break your morale. Even if you adore him for his hidden Ax-Crazy tendencies, that practically straps him to a rocket going over the Moral Event Horizon.
      • There's some Fridge Logic here though: How could he arrange for her to be shown on the Midnight Channel? According to Izanami, people appear on the Midnight Channel because the world wants to know more about them. That's why all of the people who became famous on television in Inaba appeared there. Following that logic, Nanako must have appeared because she was interviewed by that politician who came to her school. Adachi would have no way of guaranteeing that would happen, so he couldn't have arranged for her to be on the Midnight Channel. It's more likely that he just knew she would appear because he understood how the Channel worked. The threatening note was just to make you think he had the power to control who appeared and force your hand.
      • Nanako wasn't shown on the television, but Naoto mentions that someone went to the paper and named her, resulting in an article being written about the interview. That was most likely Adachi.
    • Mitsuo's Shadow is meant to symbolize his immaturity and that he's always hiding behind his video games. However, it also says things like, "I'll end your emptiness. It'll be quick." and, "I need to know I exist. That is why I must kill you." This dialogue makes you wonder just what Mitsuo went through in his life to feel like that.
  • The school campout. Kanji, having his manliness and sexuality questioned by Yosuke, ends up in the girls tent area to prove his manliness. While it was not a smart move, he was not threatening anyone. Then, he got knocked out by Chie and Yukiko, no questions asked. Now, remember this is the guy who took out an entire biker gang by himself. The more you think about the amount of strength used on him, and considered it would have easily killed your average man, the more the scene reads like an attempted murder. Made even worse by the fact they are actually discussing about commiting a murder because the hypothetical victim is snoring. Made more explicit in the anime.
    • "Discussing committing a murder"? It's pretty evident that Yukiko, cuckoo as she can be at times, actually thought covering up Hanako's nose and mouth was a perfectly normal solution to solving their snoring tentmate problems. Note that Chie immediately objects, since she probably realizes that it actually is dangerous. Not that anything of value would have been lost had they actually done it.
  • Not really scary or anything, but Rise remarks that she was supposed to have a gig before in the Port Island Club, but was cancelled due to a power outage. Think about that situation, and replay the Hermit boss fight from the third game.
  • Once you know that Adachi is the culprit, it becomes evident that certain things like drawing attention to Rise's stalker and trying to prevent Dojima or the team from chasing Namatame were just to ensure that the kidnappings were completed.
  • Rise's agency publically released her measurements. Remember that she only turned 16 about a month before she first arrived in Inaba, and we're heading into seriously creepy territory.
  • Not so much horrific as depressing, but in Rise's Social Link, she mentions a girl who became a fan of hers after Risette took part in an anti-bullying campaign, and that the girl has been sending Rise letters ever since telling her how she's going to try to make friends & that she won't let bullies get to her anymore. Come Golden & the new epilogues to the Investigation Team's Social Links, Rise tells the protagonist that she received another letter from that girl, telling her that she's not going to be a Risette fan anymore because her friends told they wouldn't be friends anymore unless she stopped liking Risette. The poor girl was bullied into abandoning something that clearly meant a lot to her.
  • Teddie's disappearance was due to him deciding he was useless for being unable to prevent Nanako's death. He essentially lost his will to live and committed suicide.
  • The reason Kanji got a nosebleed with Yukiko and Chie but not Rise? Simple, they were high up on a mountain. Higher altitude means lower air pressure and that can lead to nosebleeds. It's also why Kanji was unaware of the nosebleed.

Fridge Logic
  • Rise's cooking is so spicy, it KO's Yukiko with one spoonful. Yukiko's Persona is resistant/immune to fire.
  • So you've been taken to the police station and your uncle refuses to believe your story about Personas and your ability to enter television sets. If only there was a television set in the interrogation room that you could use to prove your ability... All he'd have to do is stick his hand in...
    • Or, y'know, one in the living room where you first told him this story.
      • I don't think Dojima was about to let him go on that demonstration. In fact, he probably might have thought he was a bit crazy with the whole story.
      • Would have been a moot point anyways. Dojima was not about to let his nephew out of police custody while a suspected serial killer was gunning for him.
  • Mitsuo Kubo: How did he get in the TV? It's established that he never threw Morooka into the Midnight Channel, so how did he get in? He seemed to be there on his own will, what with the whole "Come find me" deal. Also established above is the fact that he can't have a Persona (or enter the TV willingly), since he had a shadow, so how did he get there in the first place?
    • Said inconsistency is actually a bit of Fridge Brilliance and Foreshadowing. The real killer will later confess that Mitsuo was pushed into the TV World to throw the Investigation Team off the right trail. The image of Mitsuo in the Midnight Channel taunting the I.T. came from his desire for notoriety and as a result of the I.T. wanting to pin the guilt on someone and be over with the murder case. Failing to realize that the Midnight Channel pretty much shows whatever the viewers want to see can lead the player to pick the wrong choices during December's events.
  • Why does Rise's Persona have stats?
    • Why do Rise's Persona's stats go down when you max out her Social Link?
    • To prevent glitches if someone hacked the game to give the MC her persona. IIRC, the MC has unused voice clips for the other character's persona's for the same reason.
  • If you rescue your party members as soon as possible, they've spent only about 1 day in the hostile environment of the TV world, but need approximately 2 weeks to "recover". If you rescue them on the last possible day, they've spent said 2 weeks in the hostile environment of the TV world, but are perfectly fine and fully recovered the next day.
    • Gameplay and Story Segregation. The plot is designed to move forward on certain days, hence, if you've rescued the character in a timely manner, the game gives you the opportunity to work on Social Links, work, etc in the meantime to make sure you don't fall behind. Alternatively, if you waited until the last few days to rescue the character, the developers assumed that you procrastinated in order to strengthen your S. Links beforehand. Either way, it balances out perfectly.
  • Why is Adachi the most significant player in Izanami's game when Namatame was the one behind most of the kidnappings and the player was off actually leveling up and using his persona.
    • Easy. Because without him, Namatame wouldn't kidnap people (he was tricked into doing it, IIRC) and throw them into the TV. And if there are no people in the TV, the player wouldn't need to save anyone from the shadows. Basically, Adachi starts the game.
  • Why does Izanagi want to make sure that his crotch is well guarded?
  • Why is the forecast on Christmas eve still endless fog even if you already banished all fog and restored a blue skies days ago? It's not like they can't revise forecasts.
  • The stories told in Atlus games are usually very tight and coherent, so it was rather disappointing for this troper to realize that the murder mystery actually falls apart into nonsense towards the end. For almost the entire game you operate under the assumption that people who appear as silhouettes on the Midnight Channel are going to get thrown into a TV. Then you find out at the last minute that the Midnight Channel actually shows people that everyone in the town wants to know more about. And the fact that the first two people to appear on the Channel were also the two that were murdered is one hundred percent coincidence. Yet without that coincidence Namatame would never have gone on his kidnapping spree, and the vast majority of the game's plot would never have happened.
    • Maybe this will help: Adachi killed Mayumi and her body appeared hanging from a TV antenna. Who found Mayumi's body? Saki. That's what made her popular. Saki left school early and found Mayumi's corpse, thus sparking an interest in her. Adachi wanted to know if Saki had seen anything important. When he made romantic advances at her and she turned him down, Adachi pushed her into the TV too out of spite. So if Saki hadn't found Mayumi's body, it would have been someone else. Either way, Adachi would have pursued them to see what they knew. They would have shown up on the Midnight Channel because everyone would want to know more about the person. Besides, they both Mayumi and Saki were killed by the same person, so it's not really a coincidence like Morooka's murder was.
    • The problem is that the victims weren't chosen based on what the Midnight Channel showed. The part with Saki is somewhat justifiable. But Mayumi? Adachi didn't target her for murder. Her death was essentially an accident. Adachi just happened to be assigned to her detail. He became interested in her only because she was near him, for his own reasons, not for the reason that everyone else was interested in her. And that's what the Midnight Channel is all about, what everyone is interested in. The Midnight Channel showed the image of a scandal-embroiled newscaster, because that's what everyone was interested in knowing more about. Adachi was interested in nothing more than a hot piece of ass. And that's why it was a coincidence.
      • Except he wasn't assigned to her detail, because she didn't actually have one; it was a ruse he made up to be able to get access to her. He already had a crush on her from her TV appearances. Being able to flash a badge and have people trust that he really is on police business is something he abuses in both Mayumi and Saki's cases.
    • To be fair there was always going to be some coincidence involved, since you'd only work out you can stick a hand into TVs in a fairly unusual set of circumstances.
    • Plots, in any kind of medium, typically start, and are move forward, by coincidences. Isn't it a coincidence that the MC came to Inaba right as the murders started? Isn't it a coincidence that he went to Inaba at all instead of some other town? Isn't it a coincidence that his parents have jobs that necessitate moving around a lot in the first place? Hell, isn't it a coincidence that the parents of any of the in-game characters conceived children?! Random events that happen to line up in a way that happens make a story, is what makes it a story, and not just a list of events.
    • We don't have any reason to believe that Mayumi was the first person to be shown on the Midnight Channel. The rumor of the Midnight Channel was obviously around long before the game started, and, rather than showing someone their "soul mate" it instead showed them people they were interested in. Given that Mayumi was embroiled in controversy at the time, most of the people in town were curious about her. That the Midnight Channel predicts the next victim was just a conclusion that the group comes to after just two examples. Beyond the second attack, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
    • Actually, we never find out why the murderer is specifically obsessed with Mayumi. Perhaps it was because that person saw Mayumi on the Midnight Channel, which supposedly showed your soulmate ... which would mean everything was caused by the Midnight Channel in the end after all.
  • Thought of this while replaying. In the opening scenes in the game, we see Protagonist having a flashback to when he was about to transfer. The entire classroom sounds disappointed so that would suggest that he's already popular. So how come he doesn't have any friends at the start (as in, what would stop him from talking to his old friends if he had any) and why are his social stats so low?
    • He could have been one of those super popular people no one really knows in the end. A bunch of acquaintances who surrounded him, said they were friends but really, if the manga is to be believe, he spends all his time travelling. Why would he try to get close to people? Plus, he does quickly make friends in the end.
    • Think of it like this; the stats are not permanent. Every time a person moves to a new environment with new people and new experiences, he/she must adapt to it entirely from the beginning - hence the reduction of the stats. Once a person gets to know and understand the people around him/her, the stats grow again (though this doesn't explain the knowledge stat, though one may handwave this by defining exactly what "knowledge" might entail - it might be more than just being school-smart). As for his old friends, it's suggested in the manga that because he's been moving so much from place to place due to his parents, he hasn't made any lasting friendships with anyone - take that how you will.
      • Here's a potential explanation for the Knowledge stat. In October, the team will have a group study session where Yosuke asks Naoto for study help. The latter declined, saying that she being a first year high school student, would know nothing of second year material. That's basically what happened to the main character at the start of the game.
    • It makes sense if you think of how Personas work. The main character is The Fool, which means he can change his Persona at will. But personas aren't just the big magical archetypical figures you use to fight in Dungeons. According to Jung, the Persona is a constructed self, a personality that you wear like a mask in order to deal with life and function in society. The fact that he can change his so fluidly suggests that the protagonist is really good at putting up facades. Add to this the fact that his parents moved around so much, it sort of makes sense that he'd be popular but distant and disengaged.
  • How in the world did no one ever notice a bunch of high-schoolers jumping in and out of TV in the middle of an at least reasonably busy department store? Sure, they may have waited until no one was around before jumping in, but then how would they know when it's safe to jump back? Even if no one was around, there must have been some surveillance footage...
    • They were probably lucky not to be noticed those times. In Persona 4 Arena however, Aigis' storyline revealed that after dealing with their case, both they and the Shadow Operatives came out of the TV right in the middle of a crowd. Whether or not they were seen actually coming out of the TV is not stated, but their presence alone was enough for a public spectacle that they decided to make a run for it right then and there.
  • Considering that Golden has a lot of Personae switch arcana to make way for Aeon and Jester/Hunger, why didn't Mother Harlot move to Jester/Hunger? She is what's depicted on the Hunger arcana card after all.
  • It's an important plot point in the game that the place where you appear in the TV world depends on where you entered from in the real world. It's why the team always enters from Junes, so they'll come out near Teddie. But then, near the end of the game, Namatame kidnaps Nanako and throws her in the TV, drives halfway across town, then jumps in the TV himself. Yet they both end up in the same place! (Or at least close enough for them to find each other without special powers or Teddie's fog glasses.) What the heck?


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