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23rd Sep '17 9:37:39 AM nombretomado
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... So ridiculously cheap and hard that even the worst Creator/ArcSystemWorks had brought out thus far ([[VideoGame/GuiltyGear GG Justice, GGX Dizzy, GGX2 I-No]], [[VideoGame/BlazBlue Unlimited Nu, Unlimited Ragna, Unlimited Hazama, Mu-12]]) COMBINED will still wince in fear. Because when you have [[{{Atlus}} a company]] known for their massive ThatOneBoss collection MAKE a fighting game... it's bound to happen.

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... So ridiculously cheap and hard that even the worst Creator/ArcSystemWorks had brought out thus far ([[VideoGame/GuiltyGear GG Justice, GGX Dizzy, GGX2 I-No]], [[VideoGame/BlazBlue Unlimited Nu, Unlimited Ragna, Unlimited Hazama, Mu-12]]) COMBINED will still wince in fear. Because when you have [[{{Atlus}} [[Creator/{{Atlus}} a company]] known for their massive ThatOneBoss collection MAKE a fighting game... it's bound to happen.
14th Sep '17 12:36:55 PM SeptimusHeap
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... So ridiculously cheap and hard that even the worst ArcSystemWorks had brought out thus far ([[VideoGame/GuiltyGear GG Justice, GGX Dizzy, GGX2 I-No]], [[VideoGame/BlazBlue Unlimited Nu, Unlimited Ragna, Unlimited Hazama, Mu-12]]) COMBINED will still wince in fear. Because when you have [[{{Atlus}} a company]] known for their massive ThatOneBoss collection MAKE a fighting game... it's bound to happen.

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... So ridiculously cheap and hard that even the worst ArcSystemWorks Creator/ArcSystemWorks had brought out thus far ([[VideoGame/GuiltyGear GG Justice, GGX Dizzy, GGX2 I-No]], [[VideoGame/BlazBlue Unlimited Nu, Unlimited Ragna, Unlimited Hazama, Mu-12]]) COMBINED will still wince in fear. Because when you have [[{{Atlus}} a company]] known for their massive ThatOneBoss collection MAKE a fighting game... it's bound to happen.
8th Aug '17 2:21:53 PM QueenMarine
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''I can't get my mind out of those memories''- Nanako still remembers her mother and the memories make her sadden her

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''I can't get my mind out of those memories''- Nanako still remembers tries to hold onto her mother and the memories make her sadden her
mother's memory as best she can.
8th Aug '17 2:18:20 PM QueenMarine
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* Meeting Yosuke was a catastrophe?



[[WMG: Studio Backlot is sung by Izanami towards the protagonist]]

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[[WMG: Studio Backlot ''Studio Backlot'' is sung by Izanami towards the protagonist]]Investigation Team and humanity in general]]



"Big bucks payment or dirty like enslavement"- If you lose, Izanami will enslave the world in the fog.

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"Big ''Big bucks payment or dirty like enslavement"- enslavement''- If you lose, Izanami will enslave the world in the fog.






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\n\n[[WMG: ''Heaven'' is an inner monologue of sorts by Nanako]]
Let's look at the lyrics

''I can't get my mind out of those memories''- Nanako still remembers her mother and the memories make her sadden her

''Now time to tell them "don't take my dream"''- Nanako is afraid of losing her other loved ones like she lost her mother

''Still music keeps on turning me from the words that hurt my soul/Removing doubts from my mind''- Nanako is always listening to the Junes theme song; her love for music is a coping mechanism for her feelings of loss and loneliness

''Those long days passing by from that door/Like late summer they slowly fade away''- Nanako is always alone because Dojima is constantly working.

''Finding ways through the favorite tune/Playing all day with my eyes closed''- As mentioned above, her love of the Junes tune is a coping mechanism

''Finding ways through the favorite tune/Filling me with those sounds''- same as the above

''I can't remember the smile that you gave it to me/I have no way to tell you "don't walk away"''- Nanako lost her mother at a young age and Dojima got rid of most of her pictures, so Nanako can't remember how she looked. She is also sad that her mother is gone and she couldn't do anything to save her.

''Still sorrow keeps on tying me but my soul wants to get freed/Let my heart loose from a chain''- Nanako wants to be free of her loneliness and sadness

''Those long days passing by from that door/Like frail snow they slowly disappear''- same as the first verse about long days

''Finding ways through the favorite thoughts/Cocoon me in floaty bliss''- by focusing on the good things in her life, she's able to get through her loneliness.

''Finding ways through the favorite friends/Filling me with warm embrace''- the love of the protagonist and his friends for her has saved her from loneliness and allowed her to heal.


8th Aug '17 1:59:57 PM QueenMarine
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[WMG: Studio Backlot is sung from Izanami's perspective]]

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[WMG: [[WMG: Studio Backlot is sung by Izanami towards the protagonist]]
This is something I've always believed. Let's have a look at the lyrics

''Darkness, endless, despair, fear no more. Coldness, blackened, no sound, feel no pain.''- Izanami wants to cover the world in fog, essentially numbing them to reality, so that humanity no longer has to suffer.

''Captured, helpless, ultimate, dreadful fate. Powerless, lifeless, no breath, falling down''- She's either warning them of the dangers of the shadows or what will happen if they try to fight her.

''What you gone do when they start to come up''- She's asking how the team will react when the murders and kidnappings start happening. Could also be about the shadows.

''Well they’ve already come up to surround you up, To dis you at a world cup''- The Killer has already caused a fair share of mischief before the team starts investigating, with Saki and Mayumi's deaths.

'' but I guess it depends, On how you gone behave in that moment''- Your actions and decisions in crucial moments will determine whether you find and stop the true killer or not and whether Izanami takes your view of the world or theirs.

''Huh, a moment of truth tell me what’s really happening''- Izanami is trying to see humanity's true desires through Yu, Adachi and Namatame.

''Bro, you’ve got everything but you dunno anything''- Yu has everything he needs to defeat the killer (intelligent, his powers, his friends, etc.) but he has no idea who the true killer is at first nor what the cause of it all is. Izanami is counting on this so that her plans can come to fruition.

"Big bucks payment or dirty like enslavement"- If you lose, Izanami will enslave the world in the fog.

''Began to lose patience to these complacent successors who assesses rules that assassinate us''- She believes the team is going against what humanity really wants by fighting her.

''Me Lot of confidence but far
from Izanami's perspective]]vanity''- Izanami believes as a goddess, she has the right to be confident in her powers and there is nothing vain about it.

''Nowadays many people abuse informations better choose''- People aren't interested in the truth anymore, just their version of it, which is what Izanami believes.

''Recognize the source of course or get accused soon''- If you don't discover the source behind everything, it'll be your own fault when the world falls.

''Be careful who you choose to speak in back room''- Be careful who you trust since you don't know who the real killer is.

''It's messed up how anger and hatred looms large in the dark, Leaving scars to some by who's fumed, I've got my third eye to see through their costumes, Lies after lies, middle finger from Lotus Juice''- Izanami is critically of how humanity has suppressed the dark parts of themselves, creating the shadows. Since humanity wants to live in lies, she'll separate them from the truth forever"

''Damn some still battling against these demons, Brave souls even screaming 'Oh please Jesus' ''- she's surprised that the team keeps fighting for the truth

''Kept dressing with a fake coverage''- more criticism of humanity not accepting the truth

''Even if I die my words'll live, bring it up''- Even if she fails, the team will have to make sure humanity changes

''Until my last breath, never ever gonna give it up''- self-explanatory

''So I can see how y'all feeling put it up in the air/Yeah, I love it now, Let's change the world''- After her defeat, she accepts the protagonist's way of thinking. This is basically her giving her blessing to him before she dies.



8th Aug '17 1:14:43 PM QueenMarine
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** Keep two things in mind here; one, the game takes place in Japan, where cousin marriage is still a legal and more-or-less accepted entity. Two, she is ''seven''; a seven-year-old isn't going to be that discreet about such things, nor think of the incestuous implications. Hell, [[FatherIWantToMarryMyBrother there's a even a trope here about the subject.]] Not to mention she only said it to Dojima and Yu, so it's not like a bunch of people heard.
** She seems perfectly fine in the sequel games and the Golden epilogue.




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* Chie did mention her parents a few times, though; they just weren't important to the plot.



[[WMG: Teddie's Shadow is a direct creation of Inazami]]

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[[WMG: Teddie's Shadow is a direct creation of Inazami]]Izanami]]




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* So, what, the Amagi Inn is just a front for their ninja/yakuza activities? Or some kind of base of operations?



* I don't see any resemblance between the two of them in appearance. In behavior, they only resemble each other in the vaguest sense.




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* So, the Pokemon World and the TV World are the same thing?




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* Interestingly enough, in Ultimax, we actually learn Rise's persona does have fighting capabilities and she is a pretty decent, if not overpowered, fighter.




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** Soooooo, then how is she Dojima's daughter? Did she incarnate herself as a little girl and hypnotize Dojima and the whole town? And why was she still alive when Izanami got destroyed if that were true?




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* Nope, this is pretty much impossible. To start off with, the protagonist has a canonical name (Yu Narukami) and it's completely Japanese, meaning his father must be as well and therefore can't be Sam's dad. Second, Yu was born in 1994, while Sam was born in 1995, so the birthdates don't match up. Third, we've seen Sam's mother and she obviously Caucasian and American. Fourth, the only resemblance is their hairstyle and Sam eventually loses that, plus they have different eye colors.


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[WMG: Studio Backlot is sung from Izanami's perspective]]
8th Jul '17 8:58:13 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: TV Tropes is the Shadow of TheOtherWiki.]]

Wikipedia has largely become a regulated stopover on the way to more "valid" research. It struggles to feel accepted academically while still suffering the derision of teachers everywhere. Wikipedia struggles to be accepted through strict regulation and cold hard facts; a far cry from the more lax, RuleOfFun oriented TV Tropes. Wikipedia, in an effort to stamp out its more trivial side, inadvertently gave birth to TV Tropes as its Shadow self. It cannot bear to reconcile knowledge with fun and so it cannot bring itself to face TV Tropes. But TV Tropes is Wikipedia. And TheOtherWiki is TV Tropes...

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[[WMG: TV Tropes is the Shadow of TheOtherWiki.Wiki/TheOtherWiki.]]

Wikipedia has largely become a regulated stopover on the way to more "valid" research. It struggles to feel accepted academically while still suffering the derision of teachers everywhere. Wikipedia struggles to be accepted through strict regulation and cold hard facts; a far cry from the more lax, RuleOfFun oriented TV Tropes. Wikipedia, in an effort to stamp out its more trivial side, inadvertently gave birth to TV Tropes as its Shadow self. It cannot bear to reconcile knowledge with fun and so it cannot bring itself to face TV Tropes. But TV Tropes is Wikipedia. And TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki is TV Tropes...
28th Jun '17 3:04:01 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[GenreSavvy Yes, yes, I know, I'm an egotistical asshole here for my own entertainment rather than the betterment of the wiki, pushing my own opinions with varying degrees of subtlety and lack thereof while pretending its neutrality. Now hurry up and transform into a Persona already, I want superpowers and don't want to get my hands dirty with a boss fight]].

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** [[GenreSavvy Yes, yes, I know, I'm an egotistical asshole here for my own entertainment rather than the betterment of the wiki, pushing my own opinions with varying degrees of subtlety and lack thereof while pretending its neutrality. Now hurry up and transform into a Persona already, I want superpowers and don't want to get my hands dirty with a boss fight]].fight.
23rd May '17 7:05:40 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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Think about it: most of the PCs have brown/black hair, wit the exception of Kanji, Naoto, and the MC. Naoto's hair, considering background and demeanor, as well as the relatively neutral shade of it, probably has bluish-black hair instead of dyed hair. Kanji's hair is explicitly bleached, and while the MC never brings it up, silver isn't all that natural.

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Think about it: most of the PCs [=PCs=] have brown/black hair, wit the exception of Kanji, Naoto, and the MC. Naoto's hair, considering background and demeanor, as well as the relatively neutral shade of it, probably has bluish-black hair instead of dyed hair. Kanji's hair is explicitly bleached, and while the MC never brings it up, silver isn't all that natural.
23rd May '17 7:05:22 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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* Given the hero's been shown to be a bit of a space case in some spin-offs, it could be that his fashion choices and hobbies just ''happen'' to give off the unfortunate impression of being a banchou.
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