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Toy Story 3 Lots O Huggin Bear seems to have a lot of natter and non-character tropes.

" And There Was Much Rejoicing: The Stinger shows that Ken and Barbie have made Sunnyside "cool and groovy", while Lotso's minions were Easily Forgiven after they realized Lotso duped them into his nihilistic mindset."

" Armor-Piercing Question:

Lotso begins his Villainous Breakdown when Woody asks him about Daisy. "Where's your kid now, sheriff?" is probably his stubborn attempt at one to prove his point once and for all about what he believes to be an inevitable fate for all toys; to be thrown away into nothing while their owners move on without them. Too bad he didn't get to see how much he failed."

" The Alcatraz: In essence, Sunnyside Day Care Center is a toy version of Alcatraz or ADX Florence, with Lotso as its warden. And it takes an unusually dark turn when Lotso refuses to let the toys escape back to Andy, and has them jailed in the daycare's storage crates. Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique and Big Brother Is Watching all apply here."

"Berserk Button: The very word "family" seems to be this for Lotso.

Buzz's mention of it seems to be the catalyst for the transition from Lotso's focus on his soft side to his focus on his vicious side. note Arguably Fridge Brilliance, seeing as how his Freudian Excuse involves that he and his owner and her other toys used to be like a family."

" Big Bad Wannabe: With that said, while he is the main antagonist and views himself as quite the spirit-crushing Straw Nihilist, his own cowardice and helplessness before the world's mistreatment of toys shows he doesn't even believe his own motives, making him little more than a weaselly self-absorbed bully within the already threatening world for toys."

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 4th 2019 at 1:55:53 AM

The Platformer section of Demonic Spiders, especially the part covering Super Mario Bros, is a one big natterfest. It is so bad that it makes GoddamnedBats/PlatformGame look well-written in comparison.

Edited by porkyThegrumpiest on Jul 6th 2019 at 7:41:49 PM

The WTH, Casting Agency? entry for Dick Grayson on YMMV.Batman Forever is pretty natter-y. Not sure if anything beyond the initial bullet-point is worth saving or not.

Edited by Primis on Aug 8th 2019 at 3:42:59 AM

I agree.

From Fridge.The Lego Movie 2 The Second Part:

• Queen Watevra actually did a lot of things she said she doesn't do in her 'Not Evil' song: she says she doesn't have an ulterior motive but by not telling Wyldstyle and the others her wedding-union plan and saying she just wants to help sell counts as an ulterior motive, even if the motive isn't necessarily evil; she claims she never lies, but again not saying a word about her ulterior motive is lying by omission; by giving Benny, Metalbeard and Unikitty 'gifts' does raise the question of "do they like Queen Watevra, or do they just like the gifts?" If the latter, it can count as a bribe of sorts. Lastly, she also did some emotional/psychological manipulation by making Batman want to marry her via exploiting his dislike of Superman.
  • Note that the queen doesn't sing in the movie that she never bribes or lies, just on the soundtrack.

Could I just outright delete the references to lines that didn't make it into the final film, even though I only wrote the reply (which would also have to go if I get to trim)?

Orphaned Punchline has a whole bunch of examples with "btw here is the missing setup" pasted on as a response.

... Just to check, do we even want to explain the missing setup when we can?

This section on Have a Nice Death spirals off into a series of tangents:

• Sierra's adventure games also deserve a special mention for having some of the fastest ways to end your game for good in gaming history: For example, it's very possible to end Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards in less than half a second by walking onto a street and getting run over by a car almost immediately afterwards. Of course, this leads to a particularly Nonstandard Game Over that shows Larry's body lowered into an underground facility to be cloned for the player's next try (with cameos from several other Sierra games).
  • Not to mention what happens if you don't pay for the taxi. Or run out of money. Or get into the taxi while holding alcohol. Or try to flush the toilet. Or don't use a condom with the hooker. Or forget to zip up after leaving the hooker.

  • Another classic occurs when you do not beat the game within its (quite generous) time limit, where Larry considers his continued virginity so depressing that he kills himself.

  • There's also a Gay Option in one game. Larry's not dead, but it's still Game Over.

  • Spoofed in The Secret of Monkey Island. If you walk too near a cliff edge, Guybrush falls, you get a cheesy pop-up window that looks straight out of one of Sierra's "Quest" series, and then Guybrush bounces back up, where he offers two words of explanation: "Rubber tree!"
    • Sierra has a Shout-Out to this in the puzzle game Castle of Dr. Brain. One of the hallways has a rubber tree with the description "These can be very useful should you fall off a high cliff. They are much less useful inside a castle." (It's a game in which you can't be killed, incidentally.)

  • Another spoof, this time in Monkey Island 2: Le Chuck's Revenge, has Guybrush telling the story to Elaine in which he fails to escape an acid trap in time and dies. This prompts her response, "Horse hockey. You honestly expect me to believe you were disintegrated in acid." The plot goes back to before the event.
    • Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time had a similar death message. The Prince-as-narrator says, "No, that didn't really happen" or similar.

    • "And then, I died. No, wait."

    • This also happens in King's Quest (2015) due to the game's framing device.

Bara No Maria is infested with natter, Zero Context Examples, first person language, constantly using Mariarose's full name as a pronoun when the singular they would suffice, and other things. I would clean it up myself, but I do not have the time, and just looking at the page is giving me an aneurysm.

Also, when the page is cleaned up, can someone maybe let me know, on this thread or a PM, or something? I would like to know when I can return to that page without “losing my lunch”, so to speak. Thanks.

Edited by MasterN on Aug 24th 2019 at 11:12:01 AM

Shouldn't that page also be moved to its English title?

I'm taking a run at it, but have moved the main page to A Brave Heart Of Red Rose, with Bara No Maria as a redirect.

~MasterN, did some cleaning on it.

THANK YOU.

It looks much better than it did before. Not quite 100% neat, but at least it is more readable.

Fridge.Starbound may be worth a look. There's a lot of natter.

The Trauma Conga Line entries are filled with all kinds of Word Cruft, plus some Zero Context Examples. Can someone please help? These pages are far too large for me to take on myself.

I combined the various Lion King examples onto AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.The Lion King but I'm stumped about how to copy these examples from AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.Animated Films. Is there anything worth salvaging?

• Mufasa. Noble, courageous king and loving father... or pompous Jerkass who threw his weight around to bully his little brother, was letting a bunch of hyenas starve for no reason, and who was raising his son to be as big a douche as he was? Or, alternately, a generally decent king and good father, but who's prejudiced against hyenas?
  • He also banishes a race (the hyenas) to a barren wasteland, wherein they are starving, for no apparent reason. We are never even given a hint as to what Hyenas could have possibly done to deserve this treatment, which is oppressive if not outright genocidal. Mufasa and his dynasty can easily be seen as pompous, racist tyrants and Scar as a Well-Intentioned Extremist trying to liberate oppressed people from Mufasa's regime. An alternative alternative take is that both Scar and Mufasa are jerks, Mufasa exiling the hyenas to the badlands, and Scar exploiting their desperation for his own gain.
  • In Real Life, lions and hyenas don't get along, stealing kills from each other all the time, and will not hesitate to harass or harm one another given the opportunity. In fact, male lions will sometimes venture into hyena territory with the specific goal of assassinating the clan's Alpha Female.
  • Also, once the Hyenas are given power over the Pride Lands, the entire kingdom falls apart and all the prey animals flee. This could indicate that Mufasa originally banished them because they lacked self-control and nearly hunted every other animal to near extinction.
  • It is worth noting, however, that the decline of the Kingdom was due in large part to a drought. Now, some might argue both in and out of universe that acceptance of hyenas created the drought but that leads to the conclusion the Circle of Life works basically like Pat Robertson thinks God does and punishes nations with natural disaster for desegregating.

Here are the equivalents from TLK's page:

• Mufasa. Noble, courageous king and loving father... or pompous Jerkass who threw his weight around to bully his little brother, was letting a bunch of hyenas starve for no reason, and who was raising his son to be as big a douche as he was? Or, alternately, a generally decent king and good father, but who's prejudiced against hyenas?
• Mufasa and his dynasty can easily be seen as pompous, racist tyrants and Scar as a Well-Intentioned Extremist trying to liberate oppressed people from Mufasa's regime. An alternative take is that both Scar and Mufasa are jerks, Mufasa exiling the hyenas to the badlands, and Scar exploiting their desperation for his own gain.
• The hyenas. Were they really banished for not respecting the Circle of Life? They think of themselves as being oppressed underdogs, and in real life they're very real competition with lions in the food chain. After all, as others have pointed out, Scar enlists their aid not by promising them power or conquest, but food. The hyenas seem most excited about the fact that they'll be able to eat. Their apparent poverty and Scar's manipulation of it is just another eerie parallel to the Third Reich and the duped German population. The documentary Mickey Mouse Monopoly pointed this out.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Sep 13th 2019 at 5:15:16 AM

6f5e4d added a spoiler-tagged sentence to the end of this Pokémon entry on StatusQuoIsGod.Anime And Manga with no other changes, which seems to violate Repair, Don't Respond. Should the example just be removed?

• Ash will never win a League arc based on the main series's regions. According to Word of God, the anime will never truly end until Ash becomes a Pokémon Master. To the anime itself, this apparently means winning the regional Pokémon League tournament, and because of this Ash is going to lose at some point in the tourney, no matter how much of an edge he has. Painfully enforced in the Sinnoh League, where Ash was bested by Tobias and his Darkrai and Latios. The fact that Ash put a better dent in his team than the person Tobias faced next implied that Ash would have won the whole tournament if it weren't for the poorly-established man. Also among the most ridiculous is Cameron in Unova, a ditzy trainer who's made many an Epic Fail and yet still manages to pull a win against Ash by way of his Riolu evolving into Lucario partway through the fight. It happens again in the Kalos League (despite the creators naming the episode "Kalos League Victory! Ash's Ultimate Battle!")^note Which is still correct usage of the word. It means "final", and it certainly was his last one in that League. , but this time Ash lost by way of the anime ignoring the basic function of Pokémon battles. Finally subverted when he won the Alola League.

An awkward self arguing jumble, what should we do. Does anyone know enough about the comic to fix it.

• 8-Bit Theater. Maybe not? Or he is and is simply using psychological manipulation to try and scare the woman away from his sociopathic associates. The real proof is here and here. He seems to be some combination of Stupid Good (belief in Power of Friendship, inability to recognize when someone is evil), and Dumb Is Good.

So a popular long-running theory is that despite presenting as a good but dumb idiot oblivious to his "friends" evil actions, that Fighter actually is secretly very intelligent and playing everyone like a fiddle (and perhaps allowing and targeting his companion's heinous acts and only occasionally reigning them in). Not helped by Fighter's rare moments of scary competency being followed by long periods of absolute stupidity and gullibility. But being a humor strip, how accurate any of that is should be taken with a grain of salt. Some of the final strips support him as the token good teammate, as he is able to use divine weapons that burn his evil friends (although the assertion that they are divine weapons comes from Fighter himself). Long story short, the strip certainly presents Fighter as the one dumb but ultimately good guy on the team, and anything else is either for a joke or fan conspiracies.

That entry makes some sense if you're a fan of the comic, but I agree it just comes off as way too confusing to anyone else.

The Music folder in Weird Al Effect is full of Natter, including an instance of This Troper that I deleted. Please fix it.

Mate, people won't be inclined to help fix pages with you just sort of demanding they get fixed...

Yep. We are all volunteers here, dedicating our time. Everyone can fix stuff on the wiki.

Right. Sorry.

cerealking added the bolded part to the note after "Conservative Generation Z" on Memes.US Politics, which makes the note overly long and contradicts the earlier statement that "Generation Z will be a liberal and pluralistic generation". I sent them an edit notifier, but they haven't responded or fixed anything.

Speculation about what people will become and which factors will likely lead to that development. Nix it.

Edited by RoundRobin on Oct 16th 2019 at 2:19:47 PM

Was looking through the Adventure Time pages (since if you haven't heard, it's getting a revival in 2020) and found this:

• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
  • Princess Bubblegum being turned into a 13-year old at the end of season 2 would have been a great opportunity to show how a relationship between her and Finn would have worked out, but it was undone after she was in only one episode, before it could be explored in more depth.
  • Maja and her plan to take over Candy Kingdom. They could've built it up, made her an Arc Villain for a season leading to her invasion. Instead her plot is a one and done episode and that's pretty much it for her.
  • The follow-up episode to the elementals arc, Ketchup, recounts Marceline's attempt to save Princess Bubblegum and the rest of the land of Ooo from the influence of the elements, basically ending up with Marceline surrendering to it's effects at the end of her story. This seems to forgo a different potential story arc in which she attempts to find Finn and Jake and warn them of the catastrophe while still fighting off the effects on herself. Had she reached them just as they had found Finn's mother, it could have lead to a potential story arc transition that may have involved a robot of Minerva going along with Finn and Jake to help resolve the potentially world-threatening elemental disaster, along with Susan and Frieda for assistance.
  • From there, Numerous story-writing possibilities exist including:
    • Minerva trying and failing to call out candy tower!PB for getting the concept of 'fixing people' wrong, only to receive a string of insult backfires and look-whose-talkings from the 'omnipotent glob of chewing gum'.
    • A strong alliance between Minerva and Betty that quickly spirals into an arch rivalry when Betty tries to Ret-gon Ooo with the Enrichidon.
    • A mother-son adventure that develops throughout the arc between Finn and his mum.
    • A sub-plot that focuses on Susan and Frieda as they work to help save Ooo, all while fighting off the effects of the elements that threatens to take over them.
    • Minerva at one point trying to call the Guardian for backup, only for it to fall to the influence of candy and start heading back to the islands to spread its influence over there, prompting Minerva to fall into dismay over dooming her people to a brainwashing plague beyond her control, and becoming a Race Against the Clock subplot that involves evacuating herself and others from the islands lest she be next to fall to the elements...
    • ...And that's not even counting the possibility of Minerva bringing more scouts with them to help traverse the unknown lands, all while guarding her son along the way, reminiscent of the marines going along with Ripley in James Cameron's Aliens.

It starts out fine but then turns into someone's Marceline/Minerva fan-fic. I say cut everything after the Maja entry but opinions?