During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to the manager. Body count a BIT low for an action keeper, but more than enough other stuff to make up for it.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to the project manager and Sun Quan
Edited by G-Editor on Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:09:48 PM
Sun Quan and the Projects Manager.
Alright here's Rekka's write-up:
- Fire Force: The seemingly cheerful and upbeat Company 1 lieutenant, Rekka Hoshimiya, is in truth a deranged member of the White-Clad who has been turning countless of innocent people into Infernals; most of whom are children whom Rekka was experimenting on to find a suitable host for the Pilot's Light. Rekka would manipulate his subordinate, Tamaki Kotatsu, into bringing him a group of children and a mother to a building where he incinerates the mother before injecting her son, Nataku, with an Infernal Bug; When Nataku becomes a suitable host for the Pilot's Light, Rekka decides to experiment on the rest of the children anyway and frame Tamaki for his crimes. When Tamaki tries to stop Rekka, he attempts to beat her to death. After Shinra Kusakabe saves Tamaki and battles Rekka, a frustrated Rekka uses his powers to burn down the building to kill Shinra, Tamaki and the children.
Also don't forget to a request a cut for Miyamoto
Edited by G-Editor on Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:09:30 PM
to Sun Quan and the Projects Manager.
Goku Black
Rekka is Third for Kellen Goff btw. He's also Zagred and Diavalvo
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
Mahito from Jujutsu Kaisen is on my list. After I watch the entire anime, I'll get to it.
"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
And I forgot about Suguru Geto. I'm doing two from Jujutsu.
"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"
Care to split there? I was inheriting watching that one when the original observer left the thread.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
According to his folder, Mahito is made from human hate, so would that not impair his agency?
As for the Big Bad Suguru, it says he is Affably Evil, so is that just misuse and he’s actually a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing who is good at faking kindness?
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
Whoops, both are misuse. I looked at the character pages.
Edited by MalleoWeegee on Dec 24th 2020 at 4:55:28 AM
"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"
Goku Black
Oh Btw I'd like to reserve Moriarty the Patriot 's anime incarnation. Ive quite enjoyed its manga so why not?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
No contention on this guy, let's get him up:
- Ten Dead Men: The "Projects Manager" is the member of the titular "ten dead men" responsible for taking care of the "delicate" parts of the Big Bad's operation. In function, the Projects Manager is a vicious Torture Technician who personally pulled the trigger on Ryan's wife while he was forced to wife, shooting her in the belly first because he knew she was pregnant. The Projects Manager later tortures Ryan with a screwdriver, admitting "true art can't be rushed" when one of his own men balks and tells him to get it over with. Even worse to his own men, the Projects Manager has no hesitation abandoning them to their deaths and coldly tells a hired team of mercenaries that the more of them die, the less of them he has to pay. In dealing with Axel, one of his troublesome underlings, the Projects Manager cheerfully kills his friends, calling Axel while he's in the midst of torturing one of Axel's friends to death by hacking off his jaw. The Projects Manager promises Axel he'll be "working down" an address book full of Axel's loved ones, starting with his ex-wife, and flirts with the idea of going after Axel's children should he have any.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Drafts please. The film has a page, BTW.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Excuse me, I’d like to say to the manager.
Rekka and Sun
The Dragon
Okay, so I'm gonna bring up one of my C Ms for a little bit of reevaluation: Tom Cooper, whose EP can be read here.
Before things got out of control, he did show a degree of mercy to Rachel by apologizing for holding up traffic, tried to reason with her and asked for an apology in return.
Does this warrant a cut by any means?
Edited by TiMBer1566 on Dec 24th 2020 at 4:16:29 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
I'm not sure, to be honest. If it seems he has a genuine sense of honour, I'd go with a cut, however.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Professor Gigachad
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Tom Cooper
to Sun Quan and the Project Manager.
Woagh
Well, I mean, it's the only time Tom does anything like that, and what he does afterwards would probably overshadow the whole "apology" thing...
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
Yes to the Manager.
Good morning and a Merry Christmas, peeps 
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
The problem I have with Tom is that after Rachel does apologize (admittedly out of fear), Tom is all like "Yeah, sorry. Too late. I don't care. Imma burn your brother alive and continue to torment you and your teenage son because you pissed me off by honking at me."
Tom falls in the category of people who was going to snap sooner or later (his murder of his ex-wife and lover before his encounter with Rachel makes that clear). We have had CMs act civil to people before who still count.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Goku Black
Keep Tom. Sounds Faux Affably Evil.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Yea to the Manager.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.