Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

If I never hear the word "pony" in this thread again it'll be too soon.

"For me, my saturation point happened when the giant naked woman made of troll intestines achieved orgasm after being stabbed with The Hero's sword." Big "WHAT?!"\\ But yeah, Berserk's Monsters seem like real pieces of work (Ganishka seems like the least monstrous of the three).

edited 8th Jan '14 3:11:35 PM by ACW

And that includes Dark Fics. I still maintain that dropping things like serial killers into a Sugar Bowl like that is in and of itself intended to be funny, if only to the person who writes it.

I agree with that. And as a corollary, I'm not too pleased with these examples of tropers writing a fanfic so that a character they think is/should be a Complete Monster will qualify.

I recall at least one instance of someone submitting the villain of their own fic. That honestly felt kinda weird to me, so I didn't participate in the discussion.

Gamaran

• Complete Monster: Ryuugo Daimaru, also the Daimyo Naosada Washizu. The second part of the Unabara tournament involves a fierce battle amongst the ten surviving Ryuu. In order to win they must kill one of his sons and bring his head as proof. Understandably, his sons weren't amused.
  • Sasuke Sakakibara. A kid who slaughtered all his colleagues to test his spear and get the place. He comments on how easily it was to tear out a man's heart from his chest.
  • Jinsuke Kurogane. According to Nachi, of all the martial artists he's seen so far, he's both the strongest and the most wicked. Many people liken him to a devil. He also killed the majority of the Ogame school merely because they didn't side with his somewhat noble cause of waiting to have martial arts not die out in the age of peace, as well as having no hesitance about wanting to kill his son/
  • Mario Kujou: At least, Jinsuke sincerely believed in what he was doing when he killed his allies in order to maintain swordsmanship, but Mario wanted political power, so he backstabbed not only his Ogame allies, but his fellow Muhyo aides in his ambitions. Plus, he has no honor, something even the most depraved people like Muraku or Jinsuke had, having his guards ambush Kai during their fight. In a series filled with fighters who dedicate themselves to the sacred grounds of battle, Mario stands out as a manipulative mastermind using his allies for stepping stones and using dirty tricks to win fights.

Mario's entry doesn't say much about what he does, just that he has no redeeming traits. Also, it claims that Jinsuke had honor.

Could we perhaps finalize the previous entries before we get new ones? Too much leads to little getting done

Right. Sorry.

What's the verdict on Volgin and Sundowner again?

Keep both. We've discussed them both in the past before and the votes were in favor

I thought My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic cannot have any CM characters. I mean, seriously, Mane-iac wants give the cast bad hair?! I'm kind of impressed with the bronies for their steadfast willingness to have an antagonist named as a CM. Thanks for playing.

The book version of Smaug is most certainly and I don't think the film version has done enough to qualify, as he's more of a force of nature than pure evil such as Sauron. So for that version as well.

Quickly for others in question:

• J is a .
• Gamaran's Jinsuke and Mario are but need to be expanded. Further information regarding Sasuke and Ryuugo should be added before I make a final decision.
• Volgin and Sundowner are both .
• Finally, now that I know which Galilei Donna villain has been identified as a candidate, I'll take some time to find out if he's a or a .

Stay tuned! (EDIT: Had to ninja.)

edited 8th Jan '14 3:46:38 PM by sanfranman91

From Gasaraki, the ancestor's entry seems to make it clear he's onscreen. Gakuen Alice looks like a keep. I'll trust A New Man here.

The Feng Shui examples I'm willing to allow there as it's Tabletop.

I did some research, so I can do expansions.

• Gun×Clover
  • Angel Valentine shows he's a nasty customer by ambushing the heroine Kotonoha and tying her down before sexually assaulting her. He gleefully enjoys seeing her struggle and shifting through her multiple personalities until she realizes she's helpless. Later, he decides to murder two girls he was in charge of protecting solely to piss off Kotonoha's escort Morito by presenting him with their dismembered arms.
  • Morito's master. She's openly talks about using children as experiments and making them into soldiers, and has no problems with getting rid of them when they outlive their use. One of experiments with children is so she could gain the ability to use "Dead Language", she used 10000 subjects as guinea pigs, of whom 90 percent died or were incapacitated. When an experiment was successful she would chop the limbs of those that it worked on, and graft it onto herself.

  • Rando from the Getter Robo series was an Evil Overlord whose mission was to Take Over the World even if he had to kill every last human on it. Starting with mass-murder, Rando forcibly converted his victims to mindless killing machine cyborgs and unleashed them on the rest of humanity. He had no compunction using nuclear weapons on city as well, all borne out of his desire to rule the world.

Need to research Gamaran

After spending a few minutes reading about Roberto from Galilei Donna, he has most certainly crossed the Moral Event Horizon by massacring civilians and killing his own adopted father. However, Episode 6 paints him as more as someone who crossed the Despair Event Horizon when he was a child than a person who's been evil since day one.

He was shown to be kind when he was a kid. Although he comes from a wealthy family, he, along with his parents, have shared their food with the homeless. On his birthday, for example, their family were planning a feast when his father decided to bring food to the hungry homeless. All that was left was a slice of cake, which Roberto decided to cut it into three parts. He only became evil when he was adopted by a mobster after his parents were killed by homeless thugs bombing their mansion.

Given Episode 6's details, has Roberto since crossed the DEH and the MEH? Absolutely. Is he a Complete Monster, though? No. With these details, I thus say Roberto is a .

- C'mon, don't just... ninja edit the damn entry! Do something, Sanfran!

edited 8th Jan '14 4:09:00 PM by sanfranman91

If "Unknown" is the account that added Mane-iac, then it's a recurring idiot that we keep having to ban.

J, Jinsuke, Mario, Gamaran, Volgin and Sundowner is a .

I hate to bring this up again, but I really want to know the final verdict on Dag from Barnyard. I've been patiently waiting for an answer, and so far, I've gotten approval from fellow contributor Lightysnake. The rewrite I proposed was written back on page 813. Also, I have no ill feelings for bronies, but yeah...that sounded really dumb.

edited 8th Jan '14 5:18:31 PM by AustinDR

If there's a net positive and no opposition, feel free to add it.

Thanks.

Well, I feel like being a naysayer here. It's a kids movie, and seems like a typical use of Carnivores Are Mean.

Concurred.

Lightysnake and I already discussed the movie. You'd be surprised what they put into children's movies.

edited 8th Jan '14 6:38:29 PM by AustinDR

Okay, better overview of the Feng Shui examples:

• Curtis Boatman, one-man reason that the Architects of the Flesh are unplayable. He's the source of basically everything wrong with the 2056 juncture that isn't his ostensible boss' fault, from Abominations to the surveillance state. Unlike his boss, he is about as far from sympathetic as possible-he's described in-game as a bloated, corrupt, and utterly selfish jerk whose own motive is his own profit, and is personally responsible for several sadistic experiments. His laundry list of crimes included the Uber-kids, tricking normal people into accepting The Corruption of Arcanotech and then accelerating it deliberately so he can have perfectly loyal Super Soldiers, keeps an entire greenhousse complex of Black Market Produce for himself (even his boss, Bonengel, puts his money where his mouth is and buys real food honestly), plans to betray Bonengel because Boatman likes the Crapsack World with himself at the top of the pyramid as it is (and Bonengel had a Heel Realization a few years before and has become Necessarily Evil), and despite the Buro wanting equality at all costs, he's a huge bigot responsible for the rampant homophobia in the 2056 juncture. Most damming of all is the Fisher Kingdom aspect of chi mastery over a juncture-2056 under Architect rulership is his ideal world. Look at the utterly dystopian future and realize what that says about him.
• Ming I, the worst of the Four Monarchs. She's a user of warped shadow magic who willingly replaced her arm with an Artifact of Doom to hurt people more, knowing full well she'd effective be urged to render people Deader than Dead. In her native timeline, she ruled over the Aztecs and then took the Human Sacrifice thing to heights even they found abhorrent, learning how to use the blood of virgins to extend her youth, only being allowed to remain because she cowed them into believing she was a god who killed or enslaved all of theirs. What puts her in the rank of Boatman up above, however, is three little words: Industrialized Mind Rape.

Thank you! Much better there

You're welcome. Added it in.