Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Cut them from Hard Candy. Completely spoilered as well.

From YMMV Thunderbolts:

• Complete Monster: The others joined because of money, respect, infiltration, but Mr. X joined for the killing.

Anybody know anything about this guy?

Born into wealth, the man known only as Mister X became fascinated with death as a child when he saw a woman get hit by a car. The experience triggered his latent telepathy, forming a bond with the dying woman. He subsequently spent years attempting to recapture the thrill through other pursuits but finally sought out death again when he placed his pet dog in an oven. He slew his appalled parents shortly thereafter, beginning a life dedicated to the killing arts.

In an effort to become the greatest killing machine in history, X traveled the globe to train with various combat teachers, slaying each after surpassing their skills and scarring himself in a ritual fashion for each life he took. Destroying all records of his life, X then vanished from public view to embark upon his next goal of slaying fighters who professed to being the best.

Eventually, he learned of the mutant adventurer Wolverine and sent his operatives to test Wolverine's battle prowess. Subsequently defeating Wolverine himself, X sought his signature in order to achieve the title of "The Best There Is," then invited Wolverine to join him in a new murder avant-garde. Enraged, Wolverine broke free and engaged X in a savage battle, losing control in a berserker rage.

The fight was interrupted by X's super-strong bodyguard Blok who, much to X's annoyance, knocked Wolverine unconscious. Feeling that the fight ended unfairly, X released the unconscious Wolverine with a note promising a rematch. Soon after, X secretly aided Wolverine against the clandestine Weapon X program, not wanting them to interfere.

X's rematch with Wolverine came weeks later when both entered the annual Bloodsport tournament on the island nation of Madripoor of which X was the reigning champion. Before his duel with Wolverine, Mister X managed to defeat the Taskmaster, who happened to be one of the most proficient fighters on the planet. Both Mister X and Wolverine fought their way to the championship bout, during which Wolverine realized that X was a telepath who used his ability to anticipate an opponent's moves. After Wolverine succumbed to another berserker rage, X began losing his fight but was again saved by Blok and escaped.

Mister X was the reigning champion of Madripoor's Annual Bloodsport Fight Tournament. He was very rich and very bored. So he faked his own death and joined Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts for the sole purpose of finding an opponent capable of testing his skills.

I've got a question about one of the Blue Heelers entries.

• Blue Heelers:
  • Vincent Platt from the season three episodes "Spider Man" and "Day of Reckoning" is introduced getting his kicks watching police divers fish out the body of a little girl who was kidnapped, raped and murdered, one of his victims, which disgusts Wayne. The police bring him in, but they can't get any evidence out of him so they cut him loose. He immediately kidnaps another girl, and when he's brought in he refuses to help, cries about his rights, then tries to bait Nick into attacking him by describing techniques on kidnapping little children and how sexually appealing they are. When that doesn't work he tries to assault him. Nick then brings in the photo of Platt's victim, trying to appeal to some form of decency. Platt steals the photo, taunts Nick about the victim, declares he doesn't have a conscience, end of story and brags the police "will never find the little bitch," his words. Nick is so infuriated he tries to kill Platt, before becoming disgusted at what he might have done, but it gives Platt the idea to bash himself and make it look like Nick did it, only to be Hoist by His Own Petard and kills himself.
  • Ashley Barker in the episode "Childs Play". She and her boyfriend Luke Knight find young adults to have sex with, by force if they are not willing, then brag about it, and Ashley videotapes it and posts it on the Internet. When Luke had picked out a girl he genuinely liked her. Ashley reacts by using a pair of scissors to stab the girl. She then got Luke to slash her throat but he couldn't, so after he stabbed the victim until he got tired Ashley kept stabbing her even though she was well past dead before she and Luke made Beth stab her as well. When Ashley and Luke are caught, they both mock the victims mother.

Okay, I'm assuming Luke isn't listed because he genuinely liked a girl. Now, if Luke does a lot of the stuff Ashley does, would Ashley still be considered heinous?

Don't see why not. She might not be MORE heinous than him, but if EQUALLY heinous she counts.

What about a fanfiction example?

Gravemoss, a character in Child of the Storm, is a reworking of an obscure Marvel character. So far, he's a necromancer who has expressed a Nightmare Fetishist level of gleeful interest in death, uses the Darkhold (One of Marvel's ultimate cases of Artifact Of Evil, being a book of dark magic by a literal God of Evil, Chthon) and has recreated undead abominations that it is stated in text by several characters, including Odin (who destroyed them last time) nearly wiped out the Asgardian race several millennia ago, and are remembered in a nursery rhyme that lists the ways to survive (get behind fire, running water or hide until dawn).

He creates them by ripping the hearts out of a couple of groups of homeless people, replacing their hearts with pure dark magic, that leaves them with enhanced speed, strength, stealth, solid black eyes and a terrible hunger. Basically, silent stealth zombies that hunt in packs through a low level telepathic connection. He leaves only small children, then feeds them (while they're still alive) to the creatures in a way and tone that is explicitly described as like a dog owner feeding their pets, and crooning over them as they tear child/children apart until nothing but bloodstains are left. For further context, one of the creatures in the first group used to be the child's mother.

After that, he tests them by setting them on a young family in a car (this is in a near deserted part of London, at night), with a degree of Gory Discretion Shot - though Lucius Malfoy, the sole witness, notices one chewing on a child's leg that still has the remains of a pyjama leg on it.

Gravemoss just thinks this is great, his pets are doing well.

After that, he uses them to kill everyone in the MI 5 building, as a distraction.

Lucius Malfoy, hardcore Death Eater, previously merely annoyed by Bellatrix's habit of playing with her food, is completely horrified by what his ally is doing (he hates muggles, but there's some things you don't do to dumb animals).

Surely he qualifies?

Yeah. I would say Ashley still qualified.

That fanfic example seems an easy keeper. Also: I don't think Mr. X is heinous enough

edited 18th Nov '13 10:44:26 AM by Lightysnake

Speaking of Fanfiction, anyone remember Dumbledore's Army and the Year of Darkness?

• Complete Monster:
  • Severus Snape. As Headmaster, he inflicts his sadistic whims on the poor students and regularly blackmails the D.A. by punishing eleven-year olds in their place. He even ordered an eleven-year old flogged and left in chains for thirty hours. What Snape did to Michael as a punishment for freeing this kid was completely unforgivable: he had the poor guy tortured in a nightmarish way, prolonging the agony to the point where his best friend Terry tried to put him out of his misery with Avada Kedavra. The author has been criticized for portraying Snape as way, way too evil.
  • The Carrow siblings, Alecto and Amycus. The former makes her students repeat hateful anti-Muggle propaganda in classes and tortures them with the Cruciatus curse if they refuse. The latter is even worse: he over-uses the Cruciatus curse as a punishment to the point where students are not afraid of it anymore. And let's not forget how he forced Hagrid to throw Neville, Ginny and Luna to the werewolves.
  • All villains from the canon are portrayed as even more monstrous, since this story is Darker and Edgier. Of course, Complete Monster villains like Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange are way, way worse in this story.
  • "Professor" Hans Belsen, named after the Belsen-Bergen Concentration Camp. If Grindelwald is an Expy for Adolf Hitler, then Belsen is an Expy for Josef Mengele.
  • The Diabhal Dubh in Sluagh. He makes all the previous villains seem like Care Bears.

edited 18th Nov '13 10:55:54 AM by despoa

Say, was THIS ever approved here?

In a universe with Omnicidal Maniacs, Mister X kinda pales in comparison. From the description of his deeds he's not exactly a sweetheart, no, but the description doesn't say "kills whoever, whenever, if it suits his purposes or even just for shits and giggles" either. The Even Evil Has Standards bit regarding the first Wolvy encounter might get in the way of the "complete" in Complete Monster.

(Note I don't follow the X-Men line, so I'm going by what was written here.)

edited 18th Nov '13 11:54:28 AM by Nohbody

That's why I'm giving Mr. X a

I'm also going to say no to Mr. X after reading that. It sounds like he might have standards, and when compared to the likes of Norman Osborn and some of the people on Osborn's payroll, he sounds pretty tame. Not to mention that as far as Wolverine villains go, Sabretooth and Cyber both sound worse.

Okay, so cut Aaron Doral from Battlestar Galactica (Reimagined), correct?

For The Bill, we should cut Gabriel Kent, but what about Cathy Bradford and Tom Chandler?

And what should we do with Lord Vargas and Krantor from Blake's 7?

Bad Lip Reading

• According to "Beard With Glue": YOU. Or at least, whoever the song is being sung to. That person sneaks off and punches orphaned Brazilians, and it's implied that they murdered their friends, "drowning them in blood". They're so bad, a bullfrog hates them and James Blunt wishes they would fall on their burger and fries.

Cut. CUT. CUT! Seriously, Bad Lip Reading is a YouTube channel that dubs music videos and such with random, nonsensical lyrics/dialogue. Does that honestly sound like something that could have a Complete Monster?

I remember that being mentioned. Easy cut.

edited 18th Nov '13 2:10:47 PM by Camberf

The Bad Lip Reading entry?

@ DAYD: Confession time: I wrote that entry. Second confession: I do not like that story. Despite its well-regarded status, I think it's absolutely crawling with the author's issues with women and with canon characters. The author's handing of Snape is very controversial in the fandom, with the author posting a lengthy rant at one point about how he felt Snape's redemption was a copout and so wrote him as a total villain. Nevertheless, everyone but Snape and Belsen there is a mook. Cut all but those two.

Yeah.

I added those details and despoiled everything but Zuko's Heel–Face Turn

• Fire Lord Ozai from Avatar: The Last Airbender is a genocidal, child-abusing fascist dictator who has dedicated weeks at a time and large portions of his national army to hunting down and killing a twelve-year-old and his friends. He forced Ursa into marrying him, and tryed to kill her old lover out of spite. He obtained the throne when he manipulated Ursa into murdering his father to usurp the throne from his grieving older brother Iroh and then thanked her with banishment from the Fire Nation, not allowing her to take the children with her lest he would hunt them down and kill them. He physically abused his son Zuko, by burning his face for speaking out of turn, sent him on a Snipe Hunt to find the Avatar only to send one of his officers when he finds out the Avatar returned, and tried to shot him with lightning when he decides to join Aang. His loyal daughter Azula fares little better, as he cruelly manipulated her into becoming his perfect little villain to the point where she completely wrecks her emotional and mental health from the pressure, only to discard her to a completely meaningless position. Finally, his reaction to news of rebellions in the Earth Kingdom is to try to incinerate the entire continent. He doesn't regret any of those moments and feels no remorse for the consequences.

edited 19th Nov '13 4:07:50 AM by randomtroper89

Nice to know. Now all that's left is to possibly expand their entries.

• Severus Snape. As Headmaster, he inflicts his sadistic whims on the poor students and regularly blackmails the D.A. by punishing eleven-year olds in their place. He even ordered an eleven-year old flogged and left in chains for thirty hours. What Snape did to Michael as a punishment for freeing this kid was completely unforgivable: he had the poor guy tortured in a nightmarish way, prolonging the agony to the point where his best friend Terry tried to put him out of his misery with Avada Kedavra. The author has been criticized for portraying Snape as way, way too evil.
• "Professor" Hans Belsen, named after the Belsen-Bergen Concentration Camp. If Grindelwald is an Expy for Adolf Hitler, then Belsen is an Expy for Josef Mengele.

edited 18th Nov '13 5:14:05 PM by despoa

Looks better.

Oh dear. From the YMMV page for Iron Man Armored Adventures:

• Complete Monster:Surprisingly enough for a series mostly made of White-and-Grey Morality, it does have some:
  • Xin Zhang; the guy is heavily implied to have killed his recently married wife to take a powerful ring from her, and kept her son alive only so he could be an Abusive Parent toward him. And let's not even go with what he does in the season 1 finale.
  • Mr. Fix counts, too, seeing as how he had no problem sending a kill squad after a teenager just to cover his tracks.
  • Hammer earns this in "Titanium vs. Iron". First he tries to crush Iron Man when he's disabled. It was meant to be lethal, too, as he expects blood to be splattered everywhere after doing it. Then he kills Mr. Fix in cold blood, which even Blizzard was put off by. He actually saved Fix's mind in the process, which he then traps in his mainframe so he'll have to work 24/7. And he only gets worse; by "The Hammer Falls", he has become completely Ax-Crazy thanks to Fix secretly backmailing him, to the point he creates a zombie gas, tests it on human subjects illegally and openly states he would rather use it to create a Zombie Apocalypse on New York rather than lose Hammer International. And lets not forget that it is almost outright stated that he killed his own father to get his hands on the company.

Some of these obviously need to be cut. Sounds like Justin Hammer sets the heinous standard, though the way the entry is written up makes me unsure that even he counts. Anybody actually familiar enough with the series to make a judgement call?

edited 19th Nov '13 9:17:57 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

My Babysitter's a Vampire is very silly. It's Disney Channel silly. But I don't remember this.

• Stern. At first he's played as a simple sadist teacher, but we find out he's a genocidal wizard bent on killing all vampires in Whitechapple. Yeah, the idea is done to death, but the catch is, he isn't a Knight Templar who believes all vampires are evil - he knows some are good and hates them anyway. He is even willing to kill non vampires who stand in his way.

@19284

We decided this was a keep, but I think it needs a better writeup

these I did the V Gs (sans the Arkham series).
19271: approved?

Dropping a note that I've added the Unalaq entry (from The Legend of Korra) that was approved here and submitted in the Edit Requests For Locked Pages thread to The Legend of Korra, since the page was just unlocked.