During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Wild Child
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Weaver and Goss.
Ace Killer, Weaver, Goss ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Pavel
Shin Megami Tensei IV
to Weaver and Goss.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Weaver and Goss. Pavel.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 16th 2019 at 10:03:22 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Showtime!
to Weaver and Goss, to Pavel for genuine Even Evil Has Loved Ones
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Here's what's pending (minus Scraggle's stuff):
- Goss (Age)
- Megatron (Age)
- Return of the Ghostbusters: Professor Klaus Konstantin (Beast)
- "Something With Bite" (Beast)
- SCP Lawrence (Beast)
- Doom 2 RPG: VIOS (Duke)
- Miss Weaver (Elfen)
- 2019 anime (Netflix): Alien Adacic & Ace Killer (Godzillawolf)
- Black Magic duology (Jackie)
- Steel Annual #1—Crucible of Freedom, by Ande Parks et al.: Arthur Forrest & Mister Haig (Kaz)
- Victor Draconi (Mir)
- Norman Birdwell (Mir)
- Bob Morane (Silverblade)
Found this under YMMV page on "The Darkness" video game section:
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I don't know if he counts, but I AM pretty sure he wasn't approved.
Also, Mellow rewrite:
- Duane Mellor, from "Eater", is a Cajun murderer and "Eater" who was arrested for torturing, murdering and eating vast amounts of innocent people, often keeping them alive for days so he could cut pieces off and eat them. Once captured, Mellor waits until the graveyard shift before using a voodoo ritual, devouring the souls of several officers with their hearts to take their forms and play a sadistic game of cat and mouse with the young female rookie cop on duty, solely because he enjoyed frightening his targets. When his patience is exhausted, Mellor simply goes for the kill.
Edited by ACW on Apr 16th 2019 at 1:30:39 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Calls him Nellor in the last sentence
Goku Black
Pretty sure it should be Soul Eating
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Also, can someone clarify:
Can someone clarify if Palpatine has enough bodycount in this novel to be able to qualify as CM in this specific work alone, because from the writeup all he did is just killed a few people (his 4 sublings, his parents and couple more people). Granded most of those were his family, considering the high heinous standart, does this alone enough to make him count in this novel alone?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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and : Fixed.
As for Palpatine in Plagueis: He also works to institute the blockade...I'd say it's fine.
BTW, Lighty, the split for Sinis and Sciron work for you? I know they're uber-short, but they aren't a duo (hell, we could combine them AND Procrustes and get a somewhat-short entry).
Edited by ACW on Apr 16th 2019 at 1:33:02 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
@ACW What blockade?
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
I think he's talking about the blockade of Naboo.
And I'd say familicide is pretty heinous in itself.
I think we can keep the Darth Plagueis stuff for a few reasons:
2. One of the book's goals was to show just how bad Palps is even compared to other Sith.
3. Killing his family is noteworthy even for Palpatine.
4. I like that quote on the SW page and would like to keep it.
5. Is my favourite number.
There's also the fact Palpatine does a ton of stuff there...assisting with starting and masterminding a few wars, political crises, the Naboo blockade, and his not only murdering Plagueis but torturing him to death, experimenting on others to find the key with Midichlorians...
Like the entire book makes it super clear Palpatine is not your garden variety Sith. He's way worse.
Goku Black
Is the book in anyway part of star wars canon. Just curious?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Oh, right, ACW? Yeah, I'd combine.
And it's part of Legends SORTA....James Luceno canonized it in broad strokes in his Tarkin novel.
Oh, right, and speaking of Tarkin? Well, in a recent comic, he had biochips installed in the helmets of the death star's gunners. When they hesitate to blow up Alderaan, he has them sent for and admonishes them, reveals he would've happily destroyed his own homeworld without hesitation and airlocks them into space.
Goku Black
Ah Tarkin.
Never change you sly dog. You.
That definitly is worth adding to his entry as well.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Maybe then we should rewrite this entry to expand on the whole "masterminding a war and torture" thing? Because i don't get much from this writeup aside from him killing his family without remorse.
As for The Darkness example. I played the game a number of times, and there was a time I considered talking about Shrote...but he's shrounded in too much Offscreen Villainy and relies to much on Paulie Franchetti's crimes for what we see onscreen. He's one of those "Just The Dragon" examples from where I'm sitting.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Okay, I'll let everyone decide between A, B, and C for Theseus:
- A: 3 separate entries.
- B: Combine Sinis and Sciron; leave Procrustes separate.
- C: Combine all 3.
I personally favor A, but I'll see what everyone says.
As for Tarkin, do we wanna do what we did with Palpatine, and split up his (canon at least) entry? As it is now, it's 326 words, and with the addition it'll become even bigger.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Draftsman of Doom
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Pavel
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."