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She's comic book insane, aka "the character is sane, but we're just going to use insanity as a cheap excuse for why she does all this shit in a Chaotic Evil manner"

That is a faulty insult frankly. Insane means shocking and violent and screwed up to where people see you as evil as well as "out of your skull". Her insanity works well, and not in a "comic book insane" way but that is besides the point. Not a cheap excuse, more than a single meaning to the word insane. And I don't see what the complaining even is about?

Edited by Knack on Aug 10th 2018 at 5:20:11 AM

Yes to the Critical Roll baddie and ACW, you already made me rewrite the Founder’s entry. I’m not doing it again. If you’ve decided it’s not clear enough you can alter it yourself.

With the whole insane debate, I'd say Solomon Lane actually is a good example, as he became more and more evil after constant interrogations and being in a straitjacket for two years.

Forgive me, this is more of a comic book complaint than anything. She's certainly not legally insane, of course

It's all good, just wasn't sure what you meant.

@Men Yeah, the reason why I like characters who are seen as "insane" but aren't actually insane is due to how it doesn't HAVE to mean they don't understand reality but instead the characters don't understand why they act how they do. They could just be shocking, violent or evil. That's really all it means when people say insane on the thread it seems since characters who cannot understand how reality works cannot count, agency and ability to tell right and wrong obviously.

Edited by Knack on Aug 10th 2018 at 5:27:53 AM

I'm at ends to see how this discussion over "insanity" has anything to do with anything at this point. Thordak's got agency, he's cognizant of what he's doing, he sounds heinous enough — ergo, yes from me to him.

Thordak.

Well.

I'm back for a little bit.

Solomon Lane. Lighty convinced me. I really should see Rogue Nation again. I've only seen it - and Ghost Protocol - once before and I actually forgot Lane was also the baddie in that one. So all those call backs about Ethan catching him and Ilsa's dealings? I just thought those were off screen adventures. Now I feel silly.

I think a decent quote about Lane could be when Ethan and Walker are discussing his crimes and Ethan says something like "Listen, everything you've heard, if it makes your skin crawl, it's true." The whole conversation, though. Otherwise it'd look weird.

But other than that, Fallout is everything a summer blockbuster should be: fun, slick, pushing the boundaries of what you can do and cleverly written.

And Patrick Goad. I can assure all here, while I watched it many years ago now, Dead Set is very much taken seriously enough. Is it satirical? Yes.

So is Robocop.

Dead Set is a horror-comedy-drama and I think the Trope page may be playing up its silly premise. And it is very funny at times. Few things are as pointlessly amusing as a wheelchair bound zombie. But it's also a very sad tale in that Truman Show way - In that reality being consumed as entertainment way. I'm sure I can read a lot into it if I really tried, but I'd have to rewatch it.

Patrick Goad is an interesting CM since it's the circumstances that make him one more than anything. Or perhaps it is better to say that the events revealed his true nature?

I'm staying out of the YHVH stuff. I ain't well versed enough in SMT to touch that with a pointy stick.

Here’s the write-up for Thordak.

• The ancient red dragon, Thordak the Cinder King, is the leader of the Chroma Conclave, a faction of chromatic dragons with the goal of destroying the system of order within the continent of Tal'Dorei and dividing it for themselves to rule over. Centuries ago, Thordak was the tyrannical ruler of the desert continent Marquet, regularly killing and eating those who lived there. When the city Ank’Harel began to rise to prominence, Thordak attempted to destroy the city, only to be defeated by the brass dragon Devo'ssa. Hiding in the seas to recover his wounds, Thordak destroyed any ships that passed by before being captured and empowered by the necromancer Opash. Thordak then killed Opash and took over the Island of Viscan before deciding to expand his rule. Destroying multiple towns and killing countless innocents within Tal’Dorei, Thordak was eventually sealed away within the Elemental Plane of Fire. When Raishan the Diseased Deceiver freed him, Thordak killed the majority of the Fire Ashari, and established the Conclave along with Raishan. When he discovers that fellow member Brimscythe intended to rule over territory that Thordak desired, Thordak planned to kill Brimscythe for his rule to go uncontested. Thordak later led the Chroma Conclave to attack numerous major cities within Tal’Dorei, costing thousands of lives. When Thordak discovers that residents of the floating archipelago, Draconia, are gathering information on the Conclave, he has Draconia attacked, causing the cities to fall into the ocean. When Vox Machina leads an army to take back control of Emon, the capital of Tal'Dorei, Thordak attempts to create a volcanic eruption to wipe out enemy and ally forces alike.

Also, I figured that I might as well trim a bit of Raishan's entry.

• The ancient green dragon, Raishan the Diseased Deceiver, is a powerful sorceress and the most intelligent member of the Chroma Conclave. Prior to the story, Raishan murdered all of the followers of Melora, the Wildmother, for her own amusement. When a follower laid a deadly disease on Raishan before dying, Raishan pledged servitude to Thordak in exchange for him telling her how to cure her disease. Raishan later establishes the Chroma Conclave, making her responsible for the deaths and destruction caused by the faction. When Thordak was sealed in the Elemental Plane of Fire, Raishan disguised herself as an outcasted girl to deceive the Fire Ashari, who guarded the portal to the plane, into taking her in. After living with them for years, Raishan found the opportunity to free Thordak, not caring that Thordak would wipe out the majority of the Fire Ashari. Later, Raishan and the Chroma Conclave destroy the city of Emon, Raishan kicking off the attack by murdering Sovereign Uriel and several council members. After coming to the conclusion that Thordak won't honor their bargain, Raishan betrays the Conclave and offers to help Vox Machina kill Vorugal and Thordak. While negotiating, she makes sure to mock Keyleth about the genocide of the Fire Ashari. When the party kills Thordak, Raishan steals Thordak's corpse and multiple dragon eggs intending to reanimate the corpse of the former and raise the latter as minions for when she attacks a different continent in the future.

How is this for a quote for Ronan the Accuser?

—“Xandar, you stand accused. You wretched peace treaty will not save you now. It is the tinder on which you burn!”

Edited by k410ren on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:02:58 AM

Didn't we already have that on the page at one point? Anyways, doesn't strike me as a good fit. If we have to include one from Ronan, I'm more a fan of his "I will unfurl ten-thousand years of Kree justice on Xandar and BURN IT TO ITS CORE" thing to Thanos.

Not that I’ve seen. It’s a Pre-Mortem One-Liner before he massacres the Nova Corps (which, coincidentally, is the scene with the highest amount of onscreen death in film history).

I think the full quote for the other one goes,

— “You call me BOY! I will unfurl 1,000 years of Kree justice on Xandar and burn it to its core! Then, Thanos, I am coming for you.”

Another one could be this:

— “I was wrong. I do remember killing your family. Their screams were pitiful.”

Edited by k410ren on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:41:08 AM

Thordak

Thordak.

@PolarPhantom Thanks for backing me up on Dead Set and Patrick Goad. Oh and yes I do agree with you, Fallout is everything a summer blockbuster should be.

You finally said yes to Goad! That just made my day!

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 11th 2018 at 9:13:49 AM

Thordak

Okay, with a second opinion from someone who's watched the work, I'll flip to a yes on Goad.

I've got an idea for the image for Fist of the North Star:

No. Way, way too cluttered and unevenly divided to the point I can't tell what's happening. If you can't get the idea across in one or two pictures, it doesn't work.

You know, on that note? Creepypasta would benefit from an image swap for the exact same reason.

Edited by Scraggle on Aug 11th 2018 at 1:48:39 PM

You have a good image for it Scraggs?

For Creepypasta? Just use one of the half-dozen images of Red squashed into the collage on the page right now. For Fist... I don't know, I think Jagi has a few good ones. EDIT: Freaking external links shrinking the pictures. Here's◊ a decent one of Jagi.

Edited by Scraggle on Aug 11th 2018 at 2:04:15 AM

Well, if that goes up, then I'm a good loser.

Late yes to Thordak.

I'm fine with that Jagi image, though this◊ might work too.

Okay, let me try:

• The Founder, the Big Bad of Jason Aaron's 2010-2011 run, is the son of a robber baron and proud of his wicked father's abuse of his workers. After his father was killed by Wolverine, the Founder, seeking vengeance to salve his own twisted ideals, forms a cult, the Red Right Hand, with Wolverine's other enemies, to hunt him down. Selling his soul to a demon lord to damn Wolverine to hell, the Founder then has anyone who was ever kind to Wolverine hunted down and killed. After Wolverine escapes from hell, kills The Founder's minions, the Mongrels, and hunts the Red Right Hand down, he finds the cult has committed suicide. Leaving a tape recording, the Founder reveals the Mongrels were really Wolverine's lost children, as a final mockery.

• X-23: Innocence Lost & Target: X: Dr. Zander Rice, one of the lead scientists of Weapon X's X-23 project, has X-23 kept in a padded room except during training sessions or assassination missions, and sadistically torturing her at the age of seven. He develops a pheromone "trigger" to activate her berserker rage, using it to get X-23 to kill her martial arts instructor, and leaves her behind on a mission to be killed after he murders the other members of the team. After X-23 shows back up alive, Rice then manipulates the head of the X-23 project—who had raised Rice after his father's death—into granting Rice control of the project, at which point Rice then sends X-23 to kill the man, his wife, and son—even though Rice knows the boy is his own son. Upon taking over the project, he begins the development of embryos X-24 through X-50, which he intends to sell to the highest bidders, and then taints the one remaining person X-23 cares about, the project scientist who was her surrogate mother, with the "trigger", which causes X-23 to fatally injure the woman. Rice's motive is that he ostensibly wants revenge for his father, who worked on the original—Wolverine—Weapon X project and was killed by Wolverine when he escaped, and X-23 is Logan's genetic double; he really just wants to avenge his own ego.

For Creepypasta... I know a couple of candidates: 1) Sonic.exe Game Over Screen from crimsonthebat's game (either version 5 of version 6) (used already as Nightmare Fuel page for Sonic.exe page) OR 2) A separate image of Red's collage.