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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
~Taps Something I wanted to do before I got my edit-ban was to rewrite the Rumiko Takahashi entry on the Designated Love Interest page to add a bit more depth, in particular about the "ship backlash" with her Official Couples, and since that article already has a triple-bullet setup, I wanted to run my proposed edit by you, to make sure I really do have the bulleting rules figured out now.
- Rumiko Takahashi shows how this trope is {{YMMV}; whilst the romance elements of her stories are typically beloved, many individual fans have complaints about her writing in that department. The specifics vary from series to series, but her two most notorious "overarching" issues are a tendency to abuse Unresolved Sexual Tension until the audience just stops caring for main couples, and a blatant use of a mixture of Shallow Love Interest and Pair the Spares for secondary couples.
- Urusei Yatsura:'
- While Ataru Moroboshi and Lum's relationship does drag on, with Ataru repeatedly going through storylines where he is forced to realize he treats Lum like trash and he'd miss her if she left him, the major problem some fans have with them as a couple is Ataru's chronic cheating and outright dismissal of Lum's feelings, which can leave readers/viewers wondering why she wants him so bad. Interestingly, Lum originally wasn't supposed to be the Official Love Interest — that role was instead supposed to go to Shinobu Miyake, Ataru's Childhood Friend.
- Shinobu Miyake and Shūtarō Mendō are presented as the Beta Couple for most of the series, in the sense that Shinobu is head-over-heels for Shūtarō and constantly pursuing his affections. They even receive some outright Ship Tease in OAVs and Non Serial Movies. However, the relationship is undermined by Shinobu's feelings being completely onesided; Shūtarō is a Handsome Lech who absently basks in the favor of virtually every girl around him, and only actively pursues Lum. He never shows any sign of considering Shinobu anything special in the manga. Interestingly, Takahashi herself eventually came to feel they were a bad couple, breaking off the relationship by having Shinobu find a new Official Love Interest.
- Shinobu Miyake and her Official Love Interest Inaba can be seen as an example of this trope. Although Inaba is at least a Nice Guy who is interested in her, contrasting the pathologically unfaithful Ataru and the completely disinterested Shūtarō, and he does get a three chapter arc devoted to showing him and Shinobu in a romantic light, he is a character who is introduced very late in the story, makes very few appearance after his debut, and whose character revolves heavily around his being Shinobu's boyfriend.
- Ryūnosuke Fujinami's fiance Nagisa Shiowatari isn't introduced until incredibly late in the manga's run (chapter 341 of 366) and only appears in four chapters total; his two-chapter introduction, and a two-chapter story that revolves around how much Ryūnosuke doesn't like him. They get a single moment of Ship Tease at the end of that second arc, but otherwise the relationship barely feels existant.
- It can be hard to get behind the Ran and Rei Beta Couple due to the sheer one-sidedness of the relationship. Ran dotes on Rei to an obsessive degree, showering Rei with her affections and getting violently jealous of anyone she sees trying to seduce him. But Rei's characterization as a complete moron with no interest outside of food makes it hard to understand why Ran is so attracted to him, even if he is incredibly handsome, his faults far outweigh his looks. Not helping is that Rei is completely oblivious to Ran's feelings; he eats her cooking without shame, but it's repeatedly shown that he will abandon her without a second thought to chase Lum, the only girl he wants.
- Rupa and Carla, from the series' final arc, are supposed to be Star-Crossed Lovers who get a happy ending when Rupa decides to ignore his great-grandfather setting him up in an Arranged Marriage with Lum and ask Carla to be his wife instead. The problem is that Carla has canonically spent the last decade violently and viciously attacking Rupa, leaving him in near-terror of her for much of the arc. Though there are moments that are intended to establish that Rupa has secretly loved Carla all along, Carla's behavior can make it very hard to understand why he would feel that way.
- Ranma ½:
- Ranma Saotome and Akane Tendo are the Official Couple. But Akane's tsundere antics causing her to both blatantly favor other characters (particularly Ryoga Hibiki) over Ranma and to constantly physically attack Ranma even for fairly mild teasing can leave fans wondering why Ranma finds her attractive at all. Though both characters do get very cute moments with each other, help each other, and are shown pining over each other in private, the Belligerent Sexual Tension and complete mutual refusal to be willing to say "I love you" first undermines the intent to present them as a functioning romance. It doesn't help that Ranma has an Unwanted Harem of girls who are openly affectionate and forthright about their feelings, which can further make Akane's tongue-tied, embarrassed fumblings feel unromantic by comparison.
- Ryoga Hibiki's Official Love Interest Akari Unryu was introduced fairly late in the manga (though far earlier than the comparable Konatsu) and was quite clearly set up to be Ryoga Hibiki's dream girl. She looks a lot like Akane, has a personality that matches Ryoga's idealized perception of Akane, is openly smitten with and affectionate towards Ryoga, and she absolutely adores pigs, to the point that discovering Ryoga is cursed to turn into a pig when he gets splashed with cold water only makes her love him more. Though she does better than some of Takahashi's other Last-Minute Hookup characters, getting several stories where she appears, she's so perfect for Ryoga that it makes her seem like an obvious consolation prize for Ryoga being unable to get Akane Tendo. It also doesn't help that she never appeared in the Animated Adaptation, or that unintentional Ship Tease had led to a significant Ryoga/Ukyo shipping fandom.
- Ukyo Kuonji's would-be love interest Konatsu is introduced incredibly late into the manga's run, and outside of his introductory arc has only two appearances; a one-chapter comedic story, and a glorified cameo in the manga's final chapter. But whereas Konatsu is very blatantly swooning over Ukyo, she never expresses any feelings for him deeper than pity — worse, she blatantly exploits him as a worker in her cafe, which can make her come off as outright abusive.
- Averted with Mousse and Shampoo. Although Mousse is desperately in love with Shampoo, his feelings for her are consistently presented as completely one-sided throughout the series; any moments of Ship Tease are swiftly subverted, and indeed the two are subjected to outright Ship Sinking.
- Inuyasha:
- Despite being the Official Couple, the relationship between Kagome Higuyashi and Inuyasha has some pretty major stumbling blocks. Firstly, there's the fact that a large part of the reason they are "supposed" to end up together is because Kagome is the reincarnation of Inuyasha's dead lover Kikyo, which can make the relationship feel forced — not helping is that the two of them angst about being destined to be together regardless of what they may feel in-universe. Secondly, there's the Love Triangle between Kagome, Inuyasha, and the reanimated Kikyo that runs for much of the series. Lastly, and most problematically, is the Necklace. Early in the series, Kikyo's sister Kaede places a magical necklace on Inuyasha that will painfully smash him face-first into the ground if Kagome yells "sit". Whilst initially this is a legitimately useful tool to keep the belligerent, headstrong and dangerous Inuyasha in line, it very quickly devolves into Kagome abusing it to punish Inuyasha whenever he makes her mad in what is supposed to be comedic overreaction, but can make Kagome just seem abusive and controlling.
- Miroku and Sango do end up as the series' Beta Couple, but the fact Miroku spends most of the series groping Sango against her will and flirting with every attractive woman he meets can make it hard to see why Sango falls in love with him, even given their long time adventuring together and frequent mutual saving of each others' lives.
- Rin Ne: Rinne Rokudo and Sakura Mamiya spend so much of the series being either mutually Oblivious to Love, despite the fact that everyone around them keeps pointing out they're crushing on each other, or else completely unwilling to say anything about how they feel, that some fans just give up on caring about the ship entirely.
- Urusei Yatsura:'
I've managed to get a few posts with no corrections. I realized that you guys directed me to the Get Help With English thread before being suspended and failed for that I'm sorry and wish to edit again.
I am Jack's Smirking Revenge
Argh. I rambled on too much, sorry. I thought if it wasn't good it would just be deleted by someone else - without need for a block. Yeah book stuff should be relegated to notes.
Well I won't push for that edit again - can I get back?
Aside from little formatting errors and the red-linking of "Official Love Interest" (that is not a trope), the entries look good. You have:
- General statement of creator...
- Work 1
- First individual example
- Second individual example
- Third individual example
- Fourth individual example
- Fifth individual example
- Sixth individual example
- Work 2
- First individual example
- Second individual example
- Third individual example
- [Aversions should not be listed for YMMV items]
- Work 3
- First individual example
- Second individual example
- Work 4: One individual example
- Work 1
which follows indentation rules to a T. Good job. You may have your troping privileges back. Happy troping.
~Metal King [3]
Both look fine. For the first, you may even break "When Kafuka and Chiri..." and "A number of episodes/chapters start with" into separate entries on second-level points since they look like unrelated examples. Your suspension is released.
~Aqua Eclipse [4]
Great. You may go. Do be mindful of how things work on TLP from now on. Stricter editing rules and all.
~Rya [5]
Your last appeal was a few months ago, so here is what was said to you last time. We will need to address edit warring since that's what you're in for.
~Kaworuto [6]
Thank you for your response. I just wanted assurance from you about this. You may go. Happy troping!
~Mr Darkman [7]
The decision depends on whether you can convince us that you understand the rules and won't keep doing the thing that led to your suspension. Is there anything on Edit War that is unclear? We want to avoid a third suspension for edit warring.
~Pushover Media Critic [8]
Well. The interaction could've gone better. Especially the insinuation about pushing conspiracy theories. Still, the contact form is the venue for appealing our decisions (that can't be litigated), and since you seem to understand all that, your suspension is released.
~TNO Enjoyer [9]
You seem to be in a hurry to be unsuspended, and I'm not sure I can trust that with those errors. Can you follow the rules? If you don't know how to do something on the wiki, can you practice in a sandbox or Ask The Tropers? If you get suspended again for such mistakes, we're not going to be so willing to let you go.
~Kingslayer 38 [10]
Your last few entries posted in Get Help With English indeed required no corrections. When you edit the wiki, you need to be this careful in your writing at all times. Read over your entries before submitting, and use the preview button often. All right? Since the examples you submitted at GHWE did contain context, it seems we don't have to go over what a Zero-Context Example is and how to do Example Indentation. Am I correct here?
~The Dragon Demands [11]
Once you've received multiple notifiers for an issue, it's fair of moderation to assume you're not heeding them. Your editing problem there is not just book trivia that should be left off the movie page, but about attaching an additional level of bullet point by itself off the parent point, which is never right. Do you have any questions about indentation? I don't want to let you go only for you to make indentation mistakes again.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 16th 2024 at 7:18:40 AM
I completely understand and yes, you are correct. So can I edit again I will take your advice really well.
Edited by Kingslayer38 on Mar 17th 2024 at 8:27:17 AM
Cynthia's New Kimono!
I noticed that my posting permissions have been suspended. I know that this has been due to excessive venting about my personal life; I was very stressed out from it but I should have known better than to post when I was feeling emotionally overwhelmed. If I get my posting permissions back I promise I will not post about upsetting issues in my personal life and rather take a break if I feel too overwhelmed.
"This kimono is perfect for the Hisui-themed festival, right?" - Cynthia
You can trust me. Also I plan On Practicing on Sandbox. So please I’ll be a better troper.
Could somebody explain why I'm suspended?
Question: Does being banned from the forum mean I can't submit things to the cut list? I just noticed when I submit pages in need of trimming, it doesn't show up. I assume the two are related.
Hey, I tried editing a page and I just saw I couldn't edit it because apparently I'm suspended. Might I ask why I was suspended?
I would like to be able to edit on the trope launch pad as I feel sorry for doing some rouge launching.
Edited by Reidling1234 on Mar 21st 2024 at 7:35:15 AM
I've been suspended for inappropriately announcing when I am discarding a duplicate draft as well as making stealth launches for the draft that I have created alongside repeatedly making pages that have bad spelling or grammer and that is your right. I didn't mean to step out of line. I actually was trying to follow the rules to the best of my ability and tried to find a rule about stealth launches when Constantly Spells Their Name has been unlaunched, but I should have understood them better and actually tried to launch a draft in 24 hours or at the very least, a later day while putting that in the launch notification as I've done for Constantly Spells Their Name. I just misunderstood the time frames shown on the far-right end of the drafts. I promise you, if you ever decide to unsuspend me, I'll try and not let this happen again. Thank you.
Edited by R8ingsGuy on Mar 24th 2024 at 12:24:44 PM
Hello, it seems I've been suspended most likely for being rude in the Forums.
I sincerely apologize, and i have no excuse. I recognize that i have a tendency lately to get defensive about certain kinds of posts, but that is my issue and nobody else's, and i acknowledge that I was definitely in the wrong.
Tabs I completely understand and yes, you are correct. So can I edit again I will take your advice really well.
Hi, I received a suspension notice, and as a person who is only interested in contribute in this site, I'd like to request you to reconsider my suspension, I promise to look to improve my grammar.
May I please be freed from my edit ban as I really would like to edit a certain page to be more accurate which is this page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ChuckCunninghamSyndrome/ComicStrips for this line "MAD pointed out Shermy's disappearance with "Will Success Spoil Charlie Brown?", a feature they ran several years later in which he comes back to the strip and finds everyone in it has let stardom go to their heads." as Will Success Spoil Charlie Brown came out in 1968 which was a year before Shermy's disappearance. I really am willing to work with you.
Edited by Reidling1234 on Mar 24th 2024 at 12:11:06 PM
Cynthia's New Kimono!
I've noticed that it's been a week since I made my appeal for my suspension. I would like to know when I would be getting a response to it.
Hello. I added a Zero-Context Example with comment markup in Cruella page, and I sorry for that, I was just a newbie about the rules. But don't worry about it, I'd read the rules and everything related, so it won't happen again.
Edited by herofan2003 on Mar 24th 2024 at 2:39:27 AM
Greasy_Chicken
It’s been four days since I made my appeal. I mean, if you’re in no hurry to responnd, i get it, but I’m just curious to when you can.
Edited by R8ingsGuy on Mar 26th 2024 at 1:10:09 PM
Moral Support Expert
Any updates on my suspension? Am I making any progress?
I see but can I be unsuspended. I understand how things work here now. I said also my reasons. And I promise to be a better troper… And I’m sorry for my actions.
Edited by TNOEnjoyer on Mar 15th 2024 at 10:33:08 AM