Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Well, I remember the live action TV version of Light Yagami being in those Defeats of my Favorite Villains videos on You Tube and I remember there being subtitles in Light's defeat clip so there's definitely an English subbed version of the live actionTV show somewhere.
The Moron
I cannot believe the Irony but the day I publicly complain about not being able to find a subtitled version, I found a subtitled version literally ten minutes later. I'm not laying any kind of claim to it but I'll probably get around to that at some point.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 15th 2023 at 10:35:12 AM
RIP Toriyama
- Midnight (2021): Do-shik is a sadistic killer who stalks the streets looking for victims. Do-shik uses a variety of blades implements to mutilate his victims to death, and he murders people just for fun. When his latest attack on a woman named Seo-jung is spotted by Kyung-mi and her elderly mother, both deaf women, Do-shik begins a cruel cat-and-mouse chase across the city in which he drags out his terrorizing of them and psychologically torments them. After tricking Jong-tak into abandoning Kyung-mi in exchange for information on his sister, Seo-jung, Do-shik reveals that Seo-jung is bleeding out and refuses to actually fulfill his promise, just mocking Jong-tak that his sister will die due to Do-shik's attack on her. After he fails to kill Jong-tak and Kyung-mi, Do-shik tries to spitefully force Kyung-mi to watch as he kills her mother.
Edited by Ravok on May 15th 2023 at 7:50:50 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
The wifi here sucks
Agreed that no one else counts in og death note, Higuchi's the closest but he's small potatoes compared to Light. I'd be interested in hearing out Dafoe!Ryuk given he's the one directly killing people in very violent ways and I think he encourages Light's girlfriend to be more evil.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
- The Deep:
- The "Fig Men" are a duo of subterranean eldritch horrors who behave like a pair of mad scientists. Taking advantage of a world-devastating plague to create a supposed miracle cure called "ambrosia," the Fig Men lure human scientists to the bottom of the ocean for the purpose of studying the ambrosia, only to begin subjecting the scientists to grotesque forms of Mind Rape and Body Horror mutation that leave them broken and in constant agony; two scientists are reduced to living beehives, aware and in mind-shattering pain as new bees constantly propagate within them. The Fig Men are revealed to have kidnapped the little boy of the novel's protagonist, Luke Nelson, so they could spend the decade torturing and warping the kid into an abomination with which to break Luke's mind. In the end, the Fig Men are set to come upon the surface world, free to inflict their horrors upon the rest of humanity.
- Beth Nelson, the incestuous, sadistic mother of Luke and his brother Clayton, was a grotesque Fat Bitch who controlled her household through utter fear. Beth abused both her husband and her sons, turning the former into a servile sex toy while seeking for years to do the same to her kids. Her constant sexual abuse of Clayton, well into his adulthood, helped warp him into an emotionally deficit Mad Scientist and prompted him to eventually kill her.
I mean, when you're comparing a high school senior (Light) with a death god (Ryuk) and a yakuza guy (Higuchi), that proves nobody else can count in death note solely due to resources. The only way somebody else could count in Death Note is if someone makes a current villain a rapist and even then... Trust me, we've exhausted almost every manga that isn't current. I haven't seen the Netflix movie or series (not just because it's bad oddly enough) but judging from what has been said, I'd give Dafoe!Ryuk a chance.
Edited by Klavice on May 15th 2023 at 8:32:06 AM
Lies and Violence!
Yes to Goedelitz.
What's the work?
A Practical Guide to Evil is the single greatest piece of fiction I have ever read. Set in a world where good and evil are objective aspects of reality, where tropes govern history and the narrative is recognized as a tangible, exploitable concept, the series follows a young orphan named Catherine Foundling from the Good Kingdom of Callow, who, as orphans are wont to do, finds herself tasked with leading the next generation to ensuring peace and prosperity throughout the lands... on behalf of evil. Because twenty years before the start of the story, Callow had finally been conquered by their perennial archfoe, the Dread Empire of Praes.
We... aren't talking about the series today. Instead, I'm looking at a fanfic: A Treacherous Guide to Angelic Intervention. For background, each chapter in the original book opens with an epigraph from an In-Universe historical figure. These provide worldbuilding, thematic parallels/foreshadowing, or quick gags. The many Dread Emperors are probably the most frequent subjects of epigraphs, and of them? The most popular is easily Dread Emperor Traitorous.
Let us be reddest ruin
Rent, broken, crooked
Black hearted and cruel
To both friend and foe
Fly banner of gloom
We lowest of the low
You rogues and madmen
Proudly claim the stage,
Of this wondrous age
Deserving of any victory
We are a thing of dust
Promised only misery
And let us be wicked
Traitorous was known for exactly two things. The first should be obvious. The second... well, the fic puts it best:
Who is Dread Emperor Traitorous?
This fanfic explores Traitorous' greatest achievement from the canon lore: the murder and damnation of a Hashmallim, an angel from the Choir of Contrition. Once a lowly, starving peasant orphan, he and his brother—Feza—found good fortune when the latter discovered latent magical abilities. Aided by the former's silver tongue, the two manipulated and murdered their way to power. Even greater fortune came when Dread Emperor Vile released a plague onto his nation, sparking rebellion. Once Vile was slain, everyone began eyeing the empty throne, and civil war broke out.
The boy who would become Traitorous, fighting for Feza's claim to the throne with vicious zeal, found his calling. He turned brother against sister, unearthed dark secrets to ruin alliances, convinced Lords to unleash demons that scarred reality itself. This was the War of Thirteen Tyrants and One, in canon one of the most devastating civil wars to grace the nation. The Empire was all but shattered, all other claimants destroyed, and Feza took the throne, naming his brother Chancellor.
He immediately murdered Feza, and in dread crowned renamed himself Traitorous.
But the throne wasn't enough. Because he hates Praes. It is hateful, violent, worshipping treachery and power. And, perhaps most insulting of all, it allowed someone like Traitorous to come to power. So he plots its destruction, using schemes and fake coups to foster backstabbing and greed in the nobles.
Years later, the Empire is worse off than ever, and Traitorous begins an invasion of neighboring Callow. Traitorous leads their army with the secret intent to get everyone killed, splitting his forces in two and sending a message to the heroes selling out his allies' strategies—along with gifts in the form of severed heads of three noble Praesi children, a "gift" to show his sincerity.
As half the army is massacred by his betrayal, Traitorous mind controls the other half into a doomed, blind charge, while he confronts the leader of the defending heroes, the White Knight, who tries to convince him to repent.
Three repentant villains, accompanied by the White Knight, returning to Praes to share the light that had been shared with them. The Shining Prince might even accompany them, a representative of Callow with the authority to finally negotiate a white peace after centuries of red and bloody war.
That band of five would return, and tear Praes apart, down to its foundations. The Tower would fall, and a new reign would start. Traitorous would still be Emperor, but dread no longer.
Traitorous would finally achieve his goal, and more than that. He could reshape that new society as he wished. And there was nothing to prevent him from turning upon his companions when the time struck. It was everything that he had wished for.
All that he had to do was take David's hand.
Traitorous stood from his chair. The two men watched each other, the fate of a nation resting in the next few moments.
Oh, Traitorous realized. That was why he had killed his brother. It wasn't enough to just win. Everyone else had to lose as well.
The White Knight summons a Hashmallim as Traitorous attacks. It cripples his very soul, trying to Mind Rape him into repentance, but Traitorous refuses to bend, gleefully laughing of his irredeemability. Bragging that all humanity is monstrous just like him, he onvokes the right tropes to infuse his soul into a dagger and stabs the Hashmallim. This turns it into... not an angel, but a blasphemous, suffering, amalgamated... thing. Traitorous' nihilistic rhetoric are the first words the newborn creature hears, and it immediately goes insane, trying to end existence before the heroes put it down.
What a legacy to leave.
In canon, Traitorous will commit suicide and frame a hundred people for his murder. The Hashmallim will be forever enraged by this experience, viewing all those who willingly commit evil as irredeemable; where once their heralds fought for repentance for their crimes, now they are doomed to Hell the moment they are forcibly called into service. When Catherine becomes a villain, the angel corpse will be used by the Lone Swordsman to brainwash the conquered citizens of Callow into rebellion against Praes. And the villain Kairos Theodosian will become Traitorous' successor in all but name, dedicated to backstabbing and murder and more backstabbing simply for the the sake of Evil itself.
Is he heinous enough?
Even for the canon series, holy fuck yes. Not only did he prolong and escalate one of the bloodiest conflicts in history, he provokes an Eldritch Abomination into genocidal insanity For the Evulz, and fosters the growth of incompetence and treachery so the Dread Empire will slowly but surely murder itself, leaving a legacy of death and ruination for centuries to come. It admittedly doesn't work—Praes always survives—but he came terrifyingly close, and left a massive mountain of corpses in his wake.
Mitigating factors?
His relationship with his brother I would equate to a Belos situation. There are moments where Traitorous clearly feels uncomfortable being reminded of what he did, and he initially doesn't even know why he betrayed Feza. Initially, he claims the narrative made him do it: he role of the Chancellor is to be the backstabbing, scheming second-in-command, and he wasn't strong enough to resist the will of the story. But what he ultimately decides on? He simply wanted to. He compared his brother to the throne and "found one to be lacking."
He once loved Feza. But he gleefully suffocates that love, and any plans to get revenge on the nation for "making" him murder his brother has long since subsided into a Card-Carrying Villain's egotistical desire for a horrific legacy of death and destruction. As he puts it himself:
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 16th 2024 at 9:31:28 AM
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Traitorous
The Undercover Troper
I plan on creating a write-up for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 once the two-week threshold is cleared on May 19th. Though, since Scraggle also plans on doing so, is it okay if I can reserve a spot for that date?
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
Lies and Violence!
Generally, the person who does the effortpost does the write up. If Scraggle already has it reserved, he’ll be doing it.
The Undercover Troper
So, am I not able to do an effortpost?
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
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You can ask Scraggle if he wants to work with you of course. He already put his name on it though, so you have to ask about participating anyway.
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What's funny is that while I haven't seen the movie (Death Note (2017)), there's been a few times that we discussed Mia (Margaret Qualley) though with the consensus each time being that she doesn't count.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 15th 2023 at 10:02:41 AM
To Goedelitz and the emperor
Movie!Ruyuk might be worth discussion but OG Ryuk is too hands off
Edited by G-Editor on May 15th 2023 at 8:05:28 PM
Not the Eye
to Traitorus.
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Just to make it public I have asked 43 if I could help with a potential movie!Ryuk talk, I am one of the few who enjoys the movie(While knowing its flawed).
to Goedelitz
Edited by Snoketrope on May 15th 2023 at 11:48:50 AM
The First man
Goedelitz, Traitorous
King of Electropia writeup:
Teslagrad: The King of Electropia is a tyrant who in the past subjugated a barbarian tribe and made them into his army with the help of Teslamancers. The King later attempted to use Teslamancers' technology to conquer the neighboring countries, causing the order to cut ties with him. Nonetheless, he started a war of aggression that he lost. After losing the war, he refused to acknowledge his guilt and blamed the Teslamancers, ordering the order exterminated. Framing a barbarian attack that killed Oleg's family on the Teslamancers, he took Oleg to his side and had him genocide the Teslamancers, torching their cities. In the present, he continued to glorify his genocide and painted the Teslamancers as evil. When it turns out that the child protagonist's family are the last Teslamancers remaining, he sends his soldiers to kill them all, later attempting to kill him personally.
Sorry for misspelling the name of the country in the original writeup.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Traitorous
....Phenomenal
for Goed and Traitor
Not the Eye
One I had on my to-do for a long time
What is the work?
Hooves of Death is a webcomic written by Sam Bragg, published on the Webtoon. The Zombie Apocalypse started, humanity in diisaray and their only hope… are unicorns!
Sargeant Gliter is determined to do what she can to help humans, however everything changes after she saves young Kate, a girl prophecied to stop the apocalypse. Zombies destroy their camp forcing Gliter, Kate and unicron medic Blaze on an adventure in which they face zombies, vampires and Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Who is Pestilence? What has he done?
Third Horseman of the Apocalipse, agents of fate who claim unicorns as their steeds. Pestilence was meant to be final calamity before Death came and finished cleansing of Earth. However Pestilence wanted more, he wanted to be a god. Death wasn’t enthusiastic about his role eaither, he believed humanity deserves to suffer. Pestilence conviced him not to claim his Unicron steed and let humanity suffer, sending him to hunt for Kate, prophecised to be catalysm for ending apocalypse. He claimed Glitter’s brother Starlight as his steed
Pestilence sent plague that turned people into a zombies, their souls traped into their bodies. Plague spread to the magical creatures, Pestilence either experimenting himslef or having his minion Sorceress experiment on magical creatures who were immune. One of them was Unicron cammand Sprinkles, turned into sentient zombie.
Finding out heroes are in the Griffin kingdom, Pestilence has his zombies invade it, with horseman of War at their side. Almost all Griffons infected, making kingdom his base. When Death (who spent entire first season chained to heroes in disguise) faces him, Pestilence reveals he broke Starlight’s (now Blight) horn because it has power to kill Horsemen. He then sends Death after Famine, only Horseman to refuse to pricipate in his plan (even creating magical Safe zones for creatures of the world).
Death seemingly kills Famine, while Blight captures Gliter, who was meant to be Death’s steed. When Death attempts to free her, Pestilence tries to make Death kill her to prove his loyalty. Blight however torn on him, believing that his master was gonna make Gliter undead as well. Pestilence has him bound and tortured, sparing him only because Horsemen can’t be at Full power unless they claimed their steed. When winter Fae queen Vardeline comes to him to offer aliance and even little of his power, Pestilence has her drained, Queen only surviving by sheer luck.
Now with power to infect all magical creatures, Pestilence sends his army of winged zombies to attack Glacier Park, greater Safe zone. After some mishaps, Heroes and all their allies band together to fight Pestilence (Mercy Killing Blight in proces). Pestilence faces them empowers by all people he infected, even absorbing some in order to better protect himself. Death and Gliter get power up and kill all zombies at his base, before killing Pestilence himself and venturing to free all souls he imprisoned across the work.
Mitigating issues?
Nope, Horsemen have Full agency and while Blight believes (and his master claims) he is doing it to save magical creatures from extinction Thanks to human greed, Pestilence makes is clear he is truly all about being god, while being Hypocritical treacherus sadist.
Heinousness?
While not Grimm dark there are few nasties such as Fae ruling couple who lpreleased Black death and the Sorceress who is Serial Killer fully on board with her master’s plan.
Pestilence is easily the worst with him wanting to turn all life on Earth into his And I Must Scream slaves.
Conclusion?
Yes.
Edited by EmperorGeode on May 16th 2023 at 1:41:19 AM
Pestilence
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Traitorous and Pestilence.
Dimon, please add to the Drafts.
Edited by ACW on May 16th 2023 at 5:21:39 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
After some consideration...
What's the Work?
Deepwoken is a Roblox Roguelike RPG made by Vows of the Sea, a subdivision of Monad Studios. Most of the game's lore can be found here. There, the player journeys around the Luminants to discover the secrets of the world, and fight back against the horrors of the world. However, beneath the surface lies the horror beneath the waves, the Drowned Gods, one of which I will discuss today.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
Ethiron, the Drowned God of the Eternal Gale and the Eye of Calamity. It also served as the deity of the Kyrsgarde, strange alien beings who once had the bright idea of building an entire city called New Kyrsa over it. Fortunately, they managed to use a ritual to lull it to sleep, until one day, out of their foolishness, they failed to succeed it, resulting in Ethiron awakening and unleashing a mist that brainwashes its inhabitants to its will, with a few non-brainwashed Kyrsgarde having escaped from New Kyrsa to the Ethironal Shrine, where they started a camp known as Firfire. Eventually, once a path to the Second Layer was discovered, a group of players eventually dive to New Kyrsa and defeat the Scion of Ethiron, resulting in the city being "Torn to Eternity" and Ethiron successfully sealed once more.
Any redeeming qualities?
Not much I could think of, other than the fact that it's a Drowned God, meaning that it's more of an force rather than a physical entity. That being said...
Are they bad enough?
Since we're discussing eldritch beings here, I'd figures out that the standard is pretty high - they must have agency, amount of time and quantity and quality of their crimes. Because of this, let's talk about the other Drowned Gods.
- Yun'Shul, Keeper of Hearts, offers wishes to those with "Clarity", consuming them in exchange for various gifts, such as escaping the Depths, breaking their vow, reassigning them a flaw, or give them a new Resonance. Those that fail to meet the criteria will find their head turned into chunky salsa. Apparently, "Clarity" can also take the form of an entire city, if the Ministry sacrificing Lost Celtor to it in exchange for godhood was of any indication.
- Korilfiend, the Drowned God of Fire, creates the Forge of Sin, which has the ability to transfer souls, which was later plundered by Duke Erisia, and at one point had a temple dedicated to ot, the Temple of the Forgotten Flame. Apparently gazing into the flame gives those a sense of hope, marking it as seemingly the most benevolent of the Drowned Gods. Also of note, Amorus Pleetsky created Flamecharm by devouring one of the flowers grown on it (yes, its body is part of the Third Layer).
Now, back to Ethiron. Of course, given the things listed, you'd be slightly forgiven for being a being of force without agency over their actions. However, there is one fact that says otherwise.
In the first part of the Second Layer, the Ethironal Shrine Outpost, the player can meet a lost Diver called Mendacia, who is seemly trapped by the Kyrsgarde and she requests their help. The player can deny her request netting an instant 2 Knowledge, but choosing to do so has them go activate the five beacons in New Kyrsa to unseal Ethiron (it's complicated) and free Mendacia. Once that's done, the player notices she still looks like a ghost, to which she responds:
This essentially confirms that "Mendacia" was is fact being puppeteered by Ethiron, but whatever it is, it is actively malevolent and seeks to shroud the world in its mist should it make its way above the surface, setting it leagues ahead compared to others. The only person I think is comparable is Zi'eer, Fourth Prophet of the Ministry, though that's for another day.
Final Verdict?
Honestly, I'm not too sure about this one. I'll let you decide whether it's a good idea or not.
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
Yeah, it was the mini-series I heard about.