Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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Hey - yes, I think that's a better approach and in line with guidance. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
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Star Trek: Discovery - Michael Burnham was created but she is only 30,655 bytes. Am I good to merge her back?
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The Ultimate Lifeform
I am Soapies Wasted Life
That sounds like a good idea, I’ll try that!
The Formatter
So I've proposed the following here, but since the thread is fairly new it hasnt gotten alot of traction yet, so I going to repost here for opinions or conflictions.
I would like to propose changing the DC character-specific pages sub headings to all be "DC Comics", as that would make things easier to link to. I will include a list of the following proposed name changes:
- Green Lantern - Atrocitus ➡️ DC Comics Atrocitus
- Batman: Bane ➡️ DC Comics Bane
- Batman (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Bruce Wayne
- Teen Titans: Beast Boy ➡️ DC Comics Beast Boy
- Superman – Brainiac (Character) ➡️ DC Comics Brainiac
- Catwoman: Selina Kyle ➡️ DC Comics Selina Kyle
- Teen Titans: Cheshire ➡️ DC Comics Cheshire
- New Gods – Darkseid ➡️ DC Comics Darkseid
- Batman: Mr. Freeze ➡️ DC Comics Mr Freeze
- Harley Quinn (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Harley Quinn
- Superman – Jimmy Olsen ➡️ DC Comics Jimmy Olsen
- Hellblazer – John Constantine ➡️ DC Comics John Constantine
- Batman: Lady Shiva ➡️ DC Comics Lady Shiva
- Superman – Lex Luthor ➡️ DC Comics Lex Luthor
- Superman – Lois Lane ➡️ DC Comics Lois Lane
- Batman: The Penguin ➡️ DC Comics The Penguin
- Batman: Poison Ivy ➡️ DC Comics Poison Ivy
- Batman: Ra's al Ghul ➡️ DC Comics Ras Al Ghul
- Batman: The Riddler ➡️ DC Comics The Riddler
- Batman: The Scarecrow ➡️ DC Comics The Scarecrow
- Batman: Talia al Ghul ➡️ DC Comics Talia Al Ghul
- Teen Titans: Starfire ➡️ DC Comics Starfire
- Superman (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Clark Kent
- Batman: Two-Face ➡️ DC Comics Two Face
- Green Lantern - Thaal Sinestro ➡️ DC Comics Thaal Sinestro
- Wonder Woman (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Diana Prince
- Aquaman (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Aquaman
- Wonder Woman: Ares ➡️ DC Comics Ares
- Wonder Woman – Cheetah ➡️ DC Comics Cheetah
- Batman: Clayface ➡️ DC Comics Clayface
- Superman – Cyborg-Superman ➡️ DC Comics Cyborg Superman
- The Flash – The Flashes ➡️ DC Comics The Flash
- The Flash: Barry Allen ➡️ DC Comics Barry Allen
- The Flash: Wally West ➡️ DC Comics Wally West
- Green Arrow (The Character) ➡️ DC Comics Green Arrow
- Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) ➡️ DC Comics Oliver Queen
- Green Arrow: Speedy ➡️ DC Comics Speedy
- Green Lantern - Hal Jordan ➡️ DC Comics Hal Jordan
- Batman: Huntress ➡️ DC Comics Huntress
- The Flash – The Reverse Flashes ➡️ DC Comics Reverse Flash
- The Flash: Eobard Thawne ➡️ DC Comics Eobard Thawne
- The Flash: Hunter Zolomon ➡️ DC Comics Hunter Zolomon
- Nightwing: Dick Grayson ➡️ DC Comics Dick Grayson
- Batman: Jason Todd ➡️ DC Comics Jason Todd
- Robin: Tim Drake ➡️ DC Comics Tim Drake
- Robin: Damian Wayne ➡️ DC Comics Damian Wayne
- Superman – Superboy-Prime ➡️ DC Comics Superboy Prime
- Superman - Conner Kent ➡️ DC Comics Conner Kent
- Superman – Jonathan Samuel Kent ➡️ DC Comics Jon Kent
- Wonder Girl: Cassie Sandsmark ➡️ DC Comics Cassie Sandsmark
- Dark Nights: Metal – The Batman Who Laughs ➡️ DC Comics The Batman Who Laughs
- Superman – Bizarro ➡️ DC Comics Bizarro
- Superman – Doomsday (Character) ➡️ DC Comics Doomsday
- Superman – General Zod ➡️ DC Comics General Zod
- Batman: The Joker ➡️ DC Comics The Joker
Edited by GateStarX on Feb 6th 2024 at 2:45:35 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Honestly, I think keeping listed to their OG work makes more sense than just listing them under DC as a whole.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 6th 2024 at 4:59:55 AM
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@Bullman re: Michael from Star Trek - definitely a merge back
Anjail
Someone just made a page for Aigis from Persona 3, but she lacks the necessary amount of characters.
Just a some guy.
Hi, thank you - she's 31k bytes, so should be merged back into the S.E.E.S. Later Members page.
The Formatter
Well the idea is like the Marvel, Star Wars, MCU, DCEU, and other franchise, is to make the page more unified throughout the shared setting, I.e no duplicate folders, unified subheading, etc. the works been put in on the Marvel side of the comics but the DC side has been neglected for awhile and it’s finally being looked at now. So that’s why I’d like to move the pages over.
I kind of hate that Anakin and Darth Vader are separate pages but I’m willing to let it go
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I still think we need to rename Darth Vader's page to just Darth Vader as currently the title makes me think that it is for a group.
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the Retromancer
Because it is?
Vader includes his servant and a couple of droids, so it's a four character page — presumably because the other characters are so aligned to him that they'd be a tricky fit elsewhere?
Edited by lexii on Feb 7th 2024 at 5:12:32 PM
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and I know but other Character Specific Pages that includes other additional stuff aren't title Blank and a others.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Why ARE Anakin and Darth separate pages? Too big if merged?
Also, was The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword Ghirahim approved?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
That is the main reason I would keep Anakin and Vader apart. They both ridiculously big on their own already.
No it was not.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 7th 2024 at 2:11:27 PM
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He/Him
OK, one of the things about Character-Specific pages is that it has to hit at least two of the requirements
For Charlie's page from Hazbin, even after splitting off the Staff into their own page, Charlie's folder is still several bytes larger than the rest of the characters (64,853 bytes). It's pretty much twice as much as Vaggie, who has the second largest byte count.
So it currently fullfills three requirements of those listed on Character Specific Pages
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups. (✅, the Staff have been given their own page)
- A character folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). (✅, Charlie's folder is currently 64,853 bytes)
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders. (✅, Charlie's folder takes up most of the Staff page and is twice the size of Vaggie's folder (the second largest byte count on the Staff page)
So we can definitely make a Charlie page but first we need to clean up her folder first
As such, I've made Sandbox.Hazbin Hotel Charlie Morningstar
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Jogo
I did some calculations and the rest of the folders on Charlie's source page together add up to 81,399 characters/81,468 bytes, so I think we can give Charlie her own page, given that the source page is still long enough without her on it.
Edited by jlvs200s on Feb 9th 2024 at 9:31:57 PM
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He/Him
Alright, though again, let's sort through the sandbox first to alphabetize and check any ZCE and grammar errors.
Hey - now that the Staff split has occurred, and the source page is not in danger any time soon of being counted amongst Overly Long Pages (it's well under the warning threshold with this character included), I would question whether this is needed just yet. This exercise is in place as a technical and page bandwidth manager, primarily. If the Staff page naturally inflates to the point of being overly-long, it's then that splitting this character would be considered.
@Bullman, what did you think about my Doctor Who idea - is it any good with the issue at hand?
Edited by lexii on Feb 9th 2024 at 1:51:35 PM
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What was your idea again?
repost :)
Doctors 14 and 15 are well under the byte count, and as I think either you or another troper mentioned, we shouldn't make exceptions just because of the show. Suggest these two are merged into their own index until they naturally inflate (I don't know this show that well beyond the 70s era, so could these two be named under a "new era Doctors" heading, perhaps?)
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I would be okay with that and merging back the second and third ones due to not being big enough.
Great - and in fact it could be as simple as a page titled “2 & 3” and “14 & 15” in line with the way the Doctors are presented in the index?
Does anyone else have any thoughts before we proceed? (In a nutshell, there are four out of the fifteen Doctors from Doctor Who who currently have a CSP where it’s not applicable due to page length, so Bullman and I propose to merge Doctors 2 & 3 and also 14 & 15 into two-character pages)
