Misused: Hypocritical Fandom

Awhile ago this ATT decided Hypocritical Fandom should be taken to TRS. It has a non-indicative name that sounds like hypocrisies by the works fans as opposed to hypocrisies of rival works fans which is the intended definition.

Wick check: 125 wicks 2118 inbounds including redirect.

1. Quotes.Toonami: misuse, not overlooking rival works flaws (norwf)
2. YMMV.Dawn Of War: norwf
3. YMMV.Bumblebee: valid
4. FandomRivalry.Gundam: zero-content redirect, sounds like norwf
5. HilariousInHindsight.Video Games: norwf
6. Film.Fanboys: misuse, not about fan double standards
7. CriticalDissonance.Video Games: sound more like creator not fan hypocrisy
8. Characters.Harem Prince: single person not fandom, redundant with Hypocritical Humor
9. Awesome.The Nostalgia Critic: norwf
10. Selective Obliviousness: violates Selective Obliviousness being no real life examples
11. Headscratchers.Chrono Trigger: norwf and Headscratchers aren't about fan questioning fan reaction.
12. Persona5.Tropes G To R: norwf
13. YMMV.Ghost In The Shell 2017: norwf
14. YMMV.Alien Vs Predator: norwf
15. YMMV.Channel Awesome: norwf
16. YMMV.Big Brother: norwf
17. YMMV.Axis Powers Hetalia: hypocrisies towards fandom behavior, not work (htfbnw), seems like misuse and the sort of thing we wouldn't allow
18. YMMV.Digimon Xros Wars: norwf
19. YMMV.DC Extended Universe: norwf and htfbnw
20. YMMV.Danganronpa V 3 Killing Harmony: norwf
21. YMMV.Death Battle: norwf and htfbnw
22. YMMV.Fire Emblem The Sacred Stones: norwf
23. YMMV.Epic Rap Battles Of History: norwf
24. YMMV.Ed Edd N Eddy: valid but zero-content
25. YMMV.Half Life: norwf
26. YMMV.HAT Films: norwf
27. YMMV.Gundam: valid
28. YMMV.My Little Pony G 3: valid pothole
29. Monster Hunter: valid but troping audiences not the works reception
30. YMMV.Marvel Cinematic Universe: one valid rest htfbnw
31. YMMV.King Kong Vs Godzilla: valid
32. YMMV.I Hate Everything: norwf
33. YMMV.Hiveswap: norwf
34. YMMV.Once Upon A Time: norwf
35. YMMV.PAYDAY 2: norwf
36. YMMV.PAYDAY The Heist: norwf
37. YMMV.Paprika: norwf
38. YMMV.Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare: norwf
39. YMMV.Pokemon Anime: one valid one norwf
40. YMMV.Pokemon valid
41. YMMV.Pokemon Ruby And Sapphire: norwf
42. YMMV.Pokemon Black And White: norwf
43. YMMV.South Park: half valid, half norwf
44. YMMV.Sherlock: norwf
45. YMMV.Resident Evil Apocalypse: norwf
46. YMMV.The Dark Knight Trilogy: valid
47. YMMV.Star Trek Discovery: valid
48. YMMV.Spongebob Squarepants S 8 E 173 Squiditis Demolition Doofus: norwf
49. YMMV.Spider Man Homecoming: valid
50. YMMV.Voltron Legendary Defender: norwf

Only 13 out of 50 (26% ) aren't misuse. Even the in-universe examples were misused. I doubt thinks that's worth saving in light of questions on it's validity as a trope.

It's directed at real life groups violating Hypocrite is No Real Life Examples, Please!. The concept of the trope seems to overlap with Fan Dumb which is Flame Bait. Its redirect Hypocritical Hatedom seems to run afoul with Hatedom being Flame Bait. As it is about rival fandoms making criticism of a work that also applies to theirs, it seems to trope audience reaction to other audiences as opposed to reaction to the work that would make it trope worthy. Its purpose seems to be for complaining about fan hypocrisies as opposed to useful notes to the works reception.

I say cut, make the page exampleless and/or Flame Bait if it's worth keeping for the concept or inbounds.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 15th 2020 at 12:45:24 PM

Wick check looks good, so opened for discussion.

Perhaps a rename can resolve that issue, but we could see about your suggestions as well.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 15th 2020 at 3:36:37 AM

This seems like such a litany of problems that we should just cut it and expand the contents on Fan Dumb accordingly.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Mar 15th 2020 at 5:08:34 AM

Yeah, I think it needs to be Flame Bait. #Flame Bait Or Cut, I guess.

I'd say probably cut. There doesn't seem to be any reason that this is completely distinct and different different from some subset of Fan Dumb. It's also obviously flame bait.

It looks like flame bait to me, too, but if keeping it for the valid examples— perhaps Hypocritical Rival Fandom to clarify it's... well, rival fandoms.

I'm surprised Hypocritical Fandom isn't Flame Bait, especially since related pages such as Fan Dumb and Unpleasable Fanbase are. Either expand the definition and make Flame Bait, or change the name to better reflect the current definition and clean up the misuse.

Edited by ADrago on Mar 15th 2020 at 9:32:01 AM

So we have three options.

• Make Flame Bait
• Cut
• Rename Hypocritical Rival Fandom

I'd Flame Bait but why would we want to keep it then? How would it not be redundant with Hypocrite such to justify it's existence, especially since Hypocrite is no real life which contradicts the point of this trope (hypocrisies of real live groups) and any in-universe examples can go under Hypocrite or Loony Fan anyway.

What about Hypocritical Fandom/Rival Fandom is even worth keeping if we don't allow real life examples of hypocrisy?

Nothing but the definition.

Is Double Standard no-real life or in-universe only? Renaming Rival Fandom Double Standard might work.

How about making this a Useful Note?

• It's a notable media thing but not a trope or even an audience reaction.
• It would let us remove the trope but let us keep on the page examples if we decide there's any worth keeping.

Why Useful Note? What's useful about it?

Useful Notes are for:

1. To debunk common media stereotypes. (It wouldn't do that)
2. To help you understand some media better. (It has nothing to do with media itself, just how some fans act)
3. To educate, inform, and sometimes entertain. (Would an article about fandoms being petty really do any of these three things? What would it educate us or inform us about? Where would any entertainment come from?)

Useful Notes is just not the namespace for this. It's about fandoms being petty and hypocritical; it's not useful to note.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 15th 2020 at 10:51:33 AM

Understood and agreed.

So why would we want to keep Hypocritical Fandom as opposed to redirecting it to Hypocrite? If we don't allow examples what about it justifies it being its own trope?

I'm not seeing anything worth salvaging here. The misuse rate is staggering, the "correct" use is flamebait, and even as a definition-only Flame Bait page it's not distinctive enough from other definition-only Flame Bait pages.

I haven't seen a clearer case for an outright cut in a long time.

Yeah, my Flame Bait idea is based solely on whether or not we think it's worth being a definition-only page.

Cutting.

Cutting. Haven't seen a good reason to keep it.

Vote for cut. It's a specific version of Fan Dumb and Fan Myopia.

Cut. I can't think of any reason to keep a Flame Bait Audience Reaction.

I agree with cutting. It's not a worthwhile audience reaction to not even as a definition-only page.

Cut for the reasons already stated.

That's 8 for cutting. I don't recall a more unanimous vote to cut something. Should I ask a mod to make call or what?

I think we follow the three day rule anyway. Procedure is important after all.

Yep.

Voting cut if it wasn't clear, tho.

So on the 19th, ask a mod to call. OK.

That's 9-0 for cutting. And that's more Hate Dumb as it's unfairly hating on works they're not fans of, Fan Dumb is the misuse.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 16th 2020 at 1:12:42 AM

This does seem to just be Fan Dumb + Fandom Rivalry. Cut.