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I'm not sure about all these in YMMV.Osmosis Jones:
I don't see the harsher or the hindsight in that last example with Cells at work.
Found this on Drake & Josh under Harsher in Hindsight:
I'm not even sure what that's saying...
Sorry if it is an example...
It sounds like it's saying that accidentally giving grade-schoolers college-level material would actually be good for them in the long run, even though the show portrays this as bad. What the hell that has to do with HIH is anyone's guess, but that's par for the course here.
All of these feel bad, but the last one doesn't even make sense.
Edited by nrjxll on Mar 11th 2020 at 1:41:47 PM
Yeah, the only one of the Osmosis Jones entries I'd keep is the love interest one because at least that's within the franchise. All the others seem unfair or forcing a connection when none exists.
YMMV.The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe
I'm cutting per unanimous consensus of ATT. Should we create a list things that are too common to fall under hindsight tropes unless miraculously similar or ironic? (Outbreaks happen every few years, there's a flu seasons. That sounds too common to be this trope.)
YMMV.Spyro Reignited Trilogy:
"Glitchy game continues to be glitchy" doesn't seem particularly harsh to me.
This is more a case of vetting an entry than checking an already existing one, but given how these tropes are so often misused I figure better to check first.
This is for Harsher in Hindsight
If this works there's probably another entry or two to be had, but I don't know if this entry would be considered valid or not.
There seems a direct enough link, a man and an immediate relative each surviving similar harrowing circumstances decades apart, and it's specifically brought up in the course of the show itself.
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 12th 2020 at 12:20:01 PM
Given that the work describes it as such, it's probably OK.
Eh, there's a difference between outbreaks and pandemics. What's most stupid about that example is the lack of connection between the coronavirus and dirty telephones.
OTOH I guess it could cut down on the "Actor X died let's add Harsher in Hindsight to any role they had associated with death" stuff, but I thought there were already warnings about that and people just don't read.
Edit: To be clear, this is not saying that adding HIH examples for any work with a deadly disease whenever there's a disease in real life is anything but stupid.
Edited by nrjxll on Mar 12th 2020 at 12:36:06 PM
The third example is "two unrelated shows have vaguely similar plot points".
The second might've been able to work, if this show didn't premiere three years after this happened. Where's the hindsight?
I don't even know what the first one is trying to say.
Edited by Primis on Mar 12th 2020 at 1:14:25 AM
Me neither. Cut.
Fireball 20XL has this entry:
Which a while back I edited down from this overly bashy example...
Now Iím thinking I should just delete this all together, since fan art and the actual content donít really correlate with each other.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 12th 2020 at 6:05:45 AM
Yeah, it should go on the page(s) for the fan art(s) in question - if they get pages, that is.
I had a thought the other day. How many Harsh, Hilarious, and Aneurysm "examples" are just Accidentally Correct Writing?
I've seen several new entries comparing various movie calamities to the recent coronavirus outbreak. For example: movie X shows NYC deserted; flash-forward to 2020, and NYC appears deserted due to people staying indoors to prevent the spread of covid-19.
Just to be clear, are these acceptable Harsher in Hindsight examples?
If you have to ask, the answer is likely "no".
More seriously, this sounds like a virus equivalent of "this actually was in a movie and this actor then died". Unless the work virus is eerily similar to coronavirus, I'd say no. It's just 'this work had a pandemic and now so does real life."
Not unless it's specifically about quarantining a disease (and IMO it should be a disease disease, not a Zombie Apocalypse or something).
Edit: And yeah, even that might be a bit too far.
Edited by nrjxll on Mar 17th 2020 at 7:31:43 AM
From YMMV.A Bugs Life:
It's been a long time since I saw the movie, so I don't remember the scene with Hopper's analogy very well, but this still feels like a stretch. My vague memories and quick research tell me that the analogy was along the lines of "weak people can band together and stand up to us", not "too many bad actions will eventually destroy you" like the entry is interpreting it. What do you guys think?
The #MeToo movement, as I understand it, is a bunch of women gathering together to put out mass accusations of sexual abuse that had gone under the radar for years. I see the analogy between "victims standing up en masse to their abuse(r)s" and "people standing up en masse to their tyrant and his mooks".
Clip for reference:
It still dosent have anything to do with sexual assault though.
Hmm... I'm still wondering if it's a stretch, but I can see the connection of "Hopper fearing a group gathering to oppose him when people gathering as opposition ruined the career of his voice actor". Not sure if it justifies the entry though, especially the John Lasseter one. Maybe we could rewrite it?
It's extended to random gags, too; there's a Running Gag in an episode of Steven Universe: Future where Pearl gives toilet paper to people as a way to write stuff down, and both the episode's YMMV and series' pages have entries relating that to the toilet paper epidemic — I've had to cut the former twice because it was the only example.
This was in YMMV.Tangled.
I don't think this is an example, because it wasn't harsh to start with, and "Corona" is generally a pretty word (even name of a beer brand!). Is this still noting or no- Okay, just found out that Corona is a general word for a star's aura of plasma, so that should go.
EDIT: In fact, there are many instances of fiction that use "Corona" as a name of somewhat. Examples referring to those should be thrown out unless they're more specific to the virus. Did you know "coronavirus" was coined because its spikes look like a crown?
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Mar 17th 2020 at 8:11:01 AM
Yeah, "Corona" is just a word.
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