Disambiguating Works / Subpage Collision Discussion

Using 2011 for year disambiguation seems like the best of a bad bunch in terms of options.

Seventeen Again should be at Film.Seventeen Again 2009 because of Seventeen Again (2000), no?

We don't have a page for Shelter the book, so it seems a bit much to preemptively disambig by creator name for the film. That said, I could do a disambig page (something like this) and include a redlink for the book that uses the creator's name. Thoughts?

I'd like to move VideoGame.Castlevania 64 to VideoGame.Castlevania 1999, but Sandbox.Disambiguating Works says I should bring it up in this discussion first. "Castlevania 64" is a fan nickname and moving it to the title with its release year will be more appropriate with other works like VideoGame.Castlevania 1986 and WesternAnimation.Castlevania 2017. This also isn't very popular a video game, so I don't think anyone would care enough about moving its title to another. Could I move it?

So we get rid of a fan nickname (which shouldn't be a work page name) and keep it consistent with the others in the franchise? Sounds good to me.

There are plenty of "Whatever 64" page titles (Super Smash Bros. 64, Paper Mario 64, Superman 64) because it's what the community actually calls them. I'd keep them as is.

I second keeping Castlevania 64 where it is.

EDIT: And Castlevania (1986) was a very recent move with flimsy reasoning.

Edited by bwburke94 on Mar 13th 2023 at 3:29:49 PM

Contrary opinion, to moving to 1999, but there may be a good argument for keeping 64 as a redirect.

Two cases I happened upon:

Time Lapse is a trope, a film and an unrelated videogame, with the YMMV and Trivia pages split. I would suggest moving the film to Time Lapse 2014 and the game to TimeLapse 1996.

Happily Ever After is a trope and a film by Funimation. Maybe move it to Happily Ever After 1993.

I did the move for VideoGame.Castlevania 1986. Its previous page, VideoGame.Castlevania I, had its wikiword shortened to just "Castlevania", which is undistinguishable from the franchise page when it shows up as a hyperlink, and editors often don't try to make efforts to assort the two. The franchise also has a recycled title problem, as there're at least four video games known as "Castlevania": Castlevania on the NES, Castlevania on the N64, Castlevania: Circle of the Moon (in Europe, including UK), and Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (in Europe and Japan). It was a necessary move for a long-runner franchise to prevent any further confusion.

I brought up VideoGame.Castlevania 64 because I found this page while clearing up the series pages and thought fan nicknames are highly discouraged for the page name. If this is something allowed, I'll keep it as it is.

That at least answers the question of why you changed an existing disambiguation and moved nearly half the wicks without bringing it to one of the two threads we have for specifically dealing with this kind of thing, then came to this thread and tried to use it to justify another move. If you weren't obviously new, some tropers, including myself in my younger years, would probably be accusing you of acting in bad faith. (Come to think of it, why do we have both this and the LTP thread?)

I was against removing 1s from custom titles partially because of the first work vs. series confusion, but that's not a reason to change a disambiguation, especially when the text of examples can just be phrased as "in the original Series Name" or similar.

I'm thinking of moving it back to Castlevania as the title universally used by fans (as well as the sequel being Castlevania II, meaning we go with the Roman numeral I.) Any objections?

Because I made this as a policy discussion thread, and people took it over and it became a cleanup thread for absolutely no reason.

- I was thinking this one was for when there's subpage splits needed, making things more pressing, instead of when there's just name overlap?

Edited by Malady on Mar 14th 2023 at 3:23:57 AM

That seems to happen a lot. Feels like there might be a case for a pinned post here to restate that scope and push the other stuff to LTS?

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 14th 2023 at 10:27:42 AM

I just need a reaffirmation that VideoGame.Castlevania 64, a fan nickname, is good as it is. If so, I have no objection.

I'm really not happy that we're using a fan nickname as a disambiguation for Castlevania 64 (my vote is for Castlevania 1999), but this wouldn't be the first case we disambiguated with one — Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM). Aside from being widely used, the 64 title should at least be an alt title redirect because it was known as Castlevania 64 for a time, pre-release.

Another vote for Castlevania 1999 from me. The Administrivia guidance has always been pretty clear on fan names,

If we do keep the 64, surely it should be a disambiguation suffix, not part of the main name - so, Castlevania (64)?

It is written as Castlevania 64 (the fan nickname) and in pre-release material (report's image caption on page 16, paragraph 3 on page 17).

If memory serves, custom title policy allows you to omit the "1" suffix for stuff like VideoGame.Super Mario Bros 1 or VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda I; differentiating between the two is usually done through additional context (e.g. "the original Super Mario Bros." vs. "the Super Mario Bros. series).

Edited by bowserbros on Mar 15th 2023 at 8:45:20 AM

The more pressing need is to move the original game's page back where it was. We can worry about the N64 game when that cleanup is done.

ComicBook.Infinity seems to have multiple clashes - with TabletopGame.Infinity, VisualNovel.Infinity and Fanfic.Infinity.

I'm proposing a move to Infinity (Marvel Comics) for the comic. Any views on the others?

TabletopGame.Infinity 2006, Fanfic.Infinity Lyrical Nanoha, and if it were not a tropeless stub, VisualNovel.Infinity Series?

Is there a consensus to do that?

I've added discussion posts on both pages, pointing to this thread, so that anyone with an interest can weigh in.

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 16th 2023 at 5:10:02 PM

Sounds good.

I can see the wish for a series 'hub'/overview page for that last one, but you'd think it would have some tropes common to the series as a whole. I‘ll warn the discussion page it's at risk of cutting.

Nineteen Eighty-Four the novel versus Nineteen Eighty-Four the Apple ad campaign. Most wicks are going to be for the novel or its adaptations. Maybe put the ad's page on Advertising.Nineteen Eighty Four Apple?