Unclear Description: Man In White

That's specifically for the combination of white and gold for divinity. White on its own already conatations of divinity. Not sure if white by itself count for this trope.

As for white for mystical or magical, I think of Mystical White Robe I think of wizards/magic users like a lot of White Mages and or the page image for Mystical White Hair, Yue from Avatar: The Last Airbender. It miight be worth its own trope although not completely sure.

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I think that's a similar concept to Ethereal White Dress; would be a very close sister trope.

Is that a statement pro or against making another trope?

This concept lies somewhere in the continuum between Gold and White Are Divine and Ethereal White Dress. A powerful wizard with magic from the gods would be the first one, a powerful wizard who channels magic using spirits (or is an undead sorcerer) would be the second, and a powerful wizard who gets power from somewhere else? Unclear. I do think that a White Mage or White Magician Girl who wears white is just context for them being one of those mage tropes, not really a new trope on its own, and I've been moving examples appropriately.

I a myself am undecided about whether we need another trope. Clearly it's a concept that's there, by analogy to Mystical White Hair, but making a trope out of it might create more confusion than it solves.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"

For what it't worth, if the white clothing is significant in some way but doesnt a specific trope, I just put it under Meaningful Appearance.

And yeah, a new trope probably isn't neccessary.

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Was undecided, could go either way. Probably not necessary at this point.

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From Characters.RWBY Solitas:

• Man In White: Jacques is based on Jack Frost and married into the Schnee family, a family that is associated with snow. He took the Schnee family name and adopted the mannerisms and appearance of the Schnee family. His once black hair is now white and his cold, ruthless personality is emphasised by his clothing: he dresses in a white dress suit that is accented by a blue shirt and red handkerchief.

Based on the rest of the entries for this guy, it seems like a valid Villain in a White Suit example, but the context for that isn't quite there in the entry. Could someone in the RWBY fandom re-write this for me?

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"

I havent gotten for in RWBY but the current write up can be moved to Meaningful Appearance for now since thats what fits better.

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Okay, regarding the RWBY entry, here's a suggestion for a new write-up:

• Villain in a White Suit: Jacques adopts a formal white dress suit accented with a blue shirt, pale blue tie and red handkerchief. A cold, ruthless businessman, he only married into the wealthy Schnee family to take control of their Dust-mining business for himself. Under his leadership, the company's global reputation has changed from respect to one that supports corrupt business practices and near-slave labour. Living among the wealthy elite of Atlas, he controls the fates of the mining workers of Mantle from a distance and without compassion. Losing a mine, costing hundreds of lives, only angered him due to the loss of profits; General Ironwood instigating a global embargo of Dust infuriates him because it's losing him millions in lost profits. When he gives a speech about how the embargo is hurting the wages and living conditions in Mantle, he claims to share their pain; that moment is accompanied by a contrasting shot of dirty and poor miners deep in the mines staring at a scroll broadcast of him standing in his expensive, crisp and clean white suit while he claims they're in it together. This same speech is his announcement that he's shedding all the company's non-essential jobs and that, if people want their jobs back, they need to vote for him in the up-coming election. Behind the scenes, he works with an enemy of General Ironwood's to electronically rig the election to win it and his first act as a Councilman is to try and get the general fired via manipulating the fears of the existing Councilmen regarding Ironwood's increasingly independent and secretive decision-making.

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I'm not sure about moving it to the Meaningful Appearance. The fandom's assumed from the beginning that Jacques adopted the white and cool blue colour schemes of the Schnee family. It's not confirmed in the show that this is the case, which actually makes it a fanon entry. I say that because there have been growing hints, ever since the fourth season, that the Schnee's original family colour was actually red.

The Schnee's deceased founder (Nicholas Schnee) was based on Father Christmas. A fourth season skit of his founding of the company symbolises him through a red scarf. In the sixth season, Weiss suddenly starts wearing a red scarf with an unusual personal symbol on it that doesn't match her personal symbol (snowflake, which is the symbol of the Schnee family and its business). The implication is that it's Nicholas's because that's only red scarf connection to her family that's been seen in the show. In the seventh season, a wall-mounted painting of Nicholas is finally seen — and he wears a red tunic. Red is pretty much expected for a character based on Father Christmas.

Meanwhile, Jacques is based on Jack Frost (His maiden name was Gelé, making his name literally 'Jack Frost') and the cool, icy frost motifs that dominate their mansion and, especially, his private study comes from him, not the Schnee family.

I therefore think that the fandom's assumption about the true (in-universe) meaning of the Schnee family's current colour scheme might actually be wrong: it's not because Jacques adopted the Schnee colour scheme, it's that he forced the Schnee family to adopt his colour scheme when he took control, with the tiny bit of red accent being the last, lingering presence of Nicholas. That seems to be what the show is hinting at.

Either way, the real, out-of-universe reason for the family's colour scheme has been written up under Weiss Schnee's section (one of the titular main characters) as Elemental Motifs because the real reason is that she's based on Snow White and the family's colour schemes fit that literary association.

My advice would be to just replace the Man In White entry with a Villain in a White Suit entry and forget about Meaningful Appearance until we know whether the show's hints about the family's colour symbolism are actually going to go anywhere (if they do, the entry's wrong; if they don't, the entry's fanon — either way, it's best not to have it at all).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 5th 2020 at 11:43:30 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Does white military regalia count for this trope? From NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed.Literature

• Star Wars Legends: Grand Admiral Thrawn is a tactical genius who manages to rise through the ranks of the Imperial military to appoint himself de facto Galactic Emperor after the Empire's leadership crumbles during a period of chaos, despite being a Chiss serving in a human supremacist military that generally looks down on aliens. He's essentially an alien Napoléon Bonaparte, right down to the distinctive white military uniform, the protective instinct towards his troops, and the strong opposition to democracy.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2020 at 11:03:00 AM

Reference image — yes, an all-white military uniform is an acceptable "white suit" in my eyes, but the claim that he is essentially Napoleon is not. From wearing the formal dress, I can say that the occasions where you are wearing it are for showing how classy you are, and getting the alignment of the smallest pin correct is drilled into the lowest ranks.

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That's such a long example, I feel like most of that could be trimmed out...

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Agreed. We don't need to know all of his villainous practices, we just have to know he's a rich, well-dressed villain wearing white. How about:

• Villain in a White Suit: Jacques adopts a formal white dress suit accented with a blue shirt, pale blue tie and red handkerchief. A cold, ruthless businessman, he married into the wealthy Schnee family and took over their Dust-mining business for himself. He has corrupt business practices, lacks empathy and compassion in dealing with his workers, and primarily cares about profit. At one point, there is a contrasting shot of dirty and poor miners deep in the mines staring at a broadcast of him wearing his expensive, crisp and clean white suit while he claims they're in it together.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2020 at 3:07:13 AM

This was removed from ''Xiaolin Showdown One Episode Characters.

• Man In White: The white-suited henchman is dressed almost completely in white.

Well, he fits the white suit part and the villain part, but he is also the henchman of the wealthiest man in Hong Kong, so does he count?

I'm mainly a fan of underrated media.

That's my bad. I meant to re-add it under Villain in a White Suit, but I must have clicked 'edit' after removing the Man In White entry. Please re-add with the additional 'classy' context.

EDIT: Cleared out enough smaller namespaces to bring the wick count to 400.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 5th 2020 at 8:09:37 AM

That looks good.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"

x4 That looks fine to me.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Under 200 to go!

Dewicking is done, save for a locked page (Characters.The Bible) that I put in a request for at the Locked Pages thread.

Are we keeping Man In White as a redirect?

Last wick has been removed.

As for Man In White, I'll adjust the redirect to point to the disambig Woman In White.

Edit: Done, so time to close.

Edited by Berrenta on Apr 13th 2020 at 3:56:32 AM

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