"Moments" cleanup and maintenance (Awesome, Funny, Heartwarming, Shocking, Tear Jerker)

A lot of it comes from the Refuge in Audacity and Catharsis Factor aspects.

The Pigs is Pigs Tear Jerker page had this paragraph that I removed:

• Earlier, Piggy's happy-go-lucky siblings cheerfully ran towards the house for supper. Piggy is so inconsiderate that he runs past all of them, knocking them over in ways that could have hurt real life small children. You can see them make expressions of pain as they're haphazardly knocked over.

YMMV.Why Charlie Brown Why has its moments all on this page. The only one that there’s enough for the page is Tear Jerker.

The Mysterious Mr. Enter has this:

• While tackling The Problem Solverz, John actually contracted myopia, or nearsightedness, from watching it. Throughout the episode, you can hear John wailing in pain at the seizure-inducing visuals. This means he's gained a physical disability in trying to review it. Now, as seen in his vlogs, he is forced to wear glasses just to see.
  • Made worse when he says this:
  "You wanna know how bad this is? I sat through Electric Soldier Porygon which, contrary to popular belief, has flashing lights everywhere, and got through it with no issue."
  • Think about it: An anime episode that was banned from airing because of hundreds of seizures, he got through unharmed. But The Problem Solverz gave him nearsightedness. He now has grounds to sue, actually.

I find the claim that this show is solely and directly responsible for damaging his eyesight questionable.

I find it more questionable how “this guy is nearsighted” is supposed to be sad—as in, tear-jerkingly sad.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Sep 3rd 2020 at 9:29:36 AM

I think the example is just complaining about The Problem Solverz. AFAIK, Mr. Enter's job is to watch cartoons and then edit videos about them, which means he probably spends a significant amount of time sitting in front of a screen. His eyesight was going to worsen regardless of which shows he watched, but because Mr. Enter panned the show and started wearing glasses after reviewing it, fans of Mr. Enter are looking for any reason to voice their hatred for the show, leading to this example that's basically "This show ruined this guy's eyesight! Its creators are pure evil!"

I was a fan of Mr. Enter for many years (that's since changed), and he actually blamed the show for his myopia. So his fans are building off of that logic, even though I don't think it's medically sound to pin nearsightedness on a show you watched for maybe one day at most.

Also being a former Enter fan, he does think that bad cartoons are literally Satan incarnate.

I will say he's improved his criticism since then (or at least he doesn't get that angry anymore), and my issues with him are...unrelated to his reviewing, but that's off-topic.

Since his show doesn't have much narrative and he's not playing a character, are there any other moments on his pages that might be too rooted in complaining or troping real people?

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 3rd 2020 at 5:43:49 AM

Disclaimer that I don't think very highly of Mr. Enter so I might be too harsh

Sorry for the wall of text, i don't know how to make folders work in the forums

• Several Admirable Animations episodes chronicle well-done, meaningful Tear Jerkers, such as "Jurassic Bark", "Last of the Starmakers", "How Long is Forever", "Helga on the Couch", and "A Kind Momodo, Kolulu". Not actually Mr Enter Tearjerkers
• A minor one, but in the video of "Shorty McShorts' Shorts", he expresses his disappointment about how two of the shorts (Too Many Robots and Flip-Flopped) were executed terribly, despite their concepts being sound. He caps it off by uttering a well-known phrase:
  Mr Enter: Nothing is sadder than wasted potential.
  • He's even went as far as to create his own show based on Flip-Flopped.
• In his Breadwinners review, his lament over how far Nick has fallen from the classic shows he loved is very somber and depressing^note at least for those who didn't find it petty.These are both just... being disappointed

• His Troll review comes across as this when one considers that everything he has said has actually happened and that people continuously ignore or justify the "trolling" that leads to people's lives being destroyed. It gets even worse when one reads the comments on the video.
  Mr. Enter: This behavior has made me feel sorrow and sympathy for people I don't agree with on any points. People I personally don't even like. People I'd never want to meet in my life.
  • Later...
  Mr. Enter: This mentality, will not be tolerated here. These people, this is one of the worst mentalities I have ever seen in my life. One of the most destructive mentalities I have ever seen in my life. This isn't about limiting an art. This is about willingly hurting other people because you think it's funny. Willingly looking past the harm towards other human beings. People with lives and families, just because you think it's funny, or you think they deserve it, or whatever. No one deserves the shit that I have seen, no one does. This feels too close to troping his real-life harassment
• His response to fans asking him to review Where the Dead Go to Die^note Well it was more of them asking him to review the first segment "Tainted Milk".. Suffice to say, it really broke him, considering it so bad that he had to do an in-person vlog to explain why he won't do an Animated Atrocity on it.
  • The fact that John has tackled "Ren Seeks Help", The Problem Solverz, and Breadwinners, and yet he considers this film too horrible to be labeled an Atrocity Before if was cut, Mr Enter's NF page had a lit of examples that were just "it's scary when he gets really mad at a cartoon" and this feels on the same level

• You can tell he's had a hard life just from his dead serious rage at seeing abuse trivialized on screen, and he gets particularly angry whenever he sees Abusive Parents or families, especially when episodes like Seahorse Seashell Party try to justify it. One particularly sad example of this is his Chicken Little review, in which he spends a lot of time raging at Buck for being a horrible father. In his commentary video, he says Buck would have been an improvement compared to his actual parent.
  • And then there's the story from when he was younger, when he tried to tell an adult that he was being bullied. Not only did the bullies attack Mr. Enter with pepper spray for doing so, the adults he tried to tell about the incident didn't believe him. It's the reason he doesn't like the moral of "One Bad Apple" (which not only gives the message that telling an adult is the end-all be-all solution to bullying, but retaliating against a bully makes you a bully).
  • This culminates in his essay "Today I Learned that Pluto is a Planet", where after a few years of hinting, he finally tells all about his Dark and Troubled Past and how his parents and school system failed him for being a square peg in their round hole. Of particular note is the story where said parents confronted him about his bad grades when he was in 4th grade. Rather than try to understand his issues like Good Parents would, they forced him to put all the blame on himself by intimidating him to the point of tears and taking his dinner away until flies got at it three hours later. This is just...pure troping real life
• Does the paragraph long rant about rape (which directly mirror's Enter's beliefs that it's better to be raped than be accused of rape) violate some rule? It feels like it should.

• From watching his review of "Testing Testing, 1, 2, 3", his cynical tirade on how Twilight's original method of educating Rainbow Dash is the only accepted method of teaching students and how he dislikes the school system, especially since Mr Enter had a terrible experience with school (he even goes so far as to say that the school system only works with Twilight's method of studying and that it fails you by design if you don't adhere to that one method).
  Mr. Enter: You know, if they worked in an American school and Twilight's study method didn't work for you, they'd shove it down your throat even harder. And if that didn't work, they'd blame you for failing their tests and probably hold you back until you accepted Twilight's method of teaching. If it never did, then congratulations, your future is ruined because you didn't fit the conventional mold. And if you did resonate with Twilight's method of teaching, they would artificially hold you back while shoving it down the throats of those that didn't resonate with it. And then they would put Pinkie Pie on ADHD medication.Maybe I'm biased because I wish I'd been put on aDHD meds as a kid but this feels like more troping real life
• and then the rest of the page is either "being disappointed in a bad cartoon is a tearjerker" or more kind of creepy real life troping

Folders work on the forums the same way they work on the main pages, for the record.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 3rd 2020 at 7:07:26 AM

i tried that but it showed up as plaintext in the preview

I'd be inclined to cut the whole thing

Are there any examples that could be moved to YMMV? Again, the real life vs show line is very thin so I'm not sure if anything about his personal feelings or experiences could be valid.

TearJerker.Last Week Tonight With John Oliver might need to be cleaned up because a lot of examples are about real-life events rather than how those real-life events play into the show's narrative.

I was looking at TearJerker.Minecraft, and I have to ask: Do examples like “this can be awesome/heartwarming/tear-jerking when it happens to you” count? I’m gonna assume not.

Also, I presume that meta examples are not allowed on any moments pages at all?

I think certain kinds of "meta" examples are okay. Like creator commentary about the work on social media.

Is it really necessary for Aerith’s death in Final Fantasy VII to have a shit ton of entries in the Tear Jerker page?

It’s kind of just recounting the same scene over and over mostly.

I still don’t know if the scene’s Sleddy enough to be the page image.

Can I have some more feedback on TearJerker.The Nostalgia Critic? I've tried to review it myself but it's so, so long and feels so full of bad examples.

The whole "Gay" debacle lead me to reading Funny.Tv Tropes. I think it needs a little help. A lot of the examples rely on weblinks and have some outdated information. Anyone want to help me update it?

A lot of the TV Tropes pages are outdated, I know the Memes one was pretty bad. I'll comment out the ZCE listed.

EDIT: Holy shit I've never clicked the percent key so much in my life. I couldn't even finish the page. I'm sure a lot of the examples can just be straight up deleted because I have no idea what the context was at the time it was written- they're referencing things that change constantly on the wiki, like images and descriptions.

Also, that Troper Tales / Fetish Fuel folder is so foreign to me. This wiki makes me feel so young.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 7th 2020 at 12:27:43 PM

I noticed the ZCEs as well. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at first, but a ZCE is a ZCE, and this page is full of them.

Yeah, just because it's a TVT-based page doesn't mean we should allow it to fall below our standards. We should fix it up.

Oh, and about the Nostalgia Critic? I'll see about that tomorrow. I've had a long day. To tired to do much more than laugh about the Gay draft.

You think the “Gay” bullet should be removed from Funny.TV Tropes?

EDIT: Septimus already did it. Thank you, Septimus.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Sep 8th 2020 at 9:59:29 AM

Better yet, the TV Tropes Moments subpages are almost all ZCEs. Why not just cut them?