Duplicate tropes discussion thread

It sounds like a stretch, but I believe the intent is that something shows on screen and you don't think much of it, and then some time later suddenly turns out the characters can interact with it, while the other is interactive the entire time?

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 30th 2021 at 9:40:25 PM

How is Eats Babies not The Same, but More Specific to I Am a Humanitarian—especially since the latter's page image also depicts someone about to eat a baby?

Edited by Adept on Dec 1st 2021 at 7:18:19 AM

Because just eating people isn't cheap shorthand for "this character is very evil" the way eating babies is.

^ This. See the second paragraph, second sentence on The Same, but More Specific.

What's the difference between:

Signature Style and Creator Thumbprint

The Team and The Squad.

Edited by RustBeard on Dec 8th 2021 at 1:45:01 AM

Signature Style is for the actual writing/directing/drawing style, while Creator Thumbprint is for a specific object or theme that keeps popping up in their works.

For example, Frank Herbert's signature style is to have a lot of exposition, while his thumbprint is spiritual journeys through hallucinations.

Re: The Team v The Squad: seems like a military specific version of The Team that is loosely adapting the old five man band format. For that alone (the five man band stuff), I'm suspect of whether or not this needs to continue to be a thing.

But if it must exist, I suppose it's a Sister Trope

Edited by amathieu13 on Dec 8th 2021 at 6:57:42 AM

I've always treated The Squad as essentially a loyal band of military comrades in the same group/unit, a specific setting with specific pressures.

I'd like to bring up Big Bra to Fill again, since I didn't get a good answer last time.

I've been thinking about BBTF, and as currently written, it just sounds like a consequence of Most Common Superpower.

For purposes of this post, I define "cartoon" as referring to all hand-drawn animation, computer animation (including video games), comics, and drawings.

That established, adapting any cartoon into live action is going to involve using actors who don't look like the cartoon characters (barring ink suit actors, extensive prosthetics, or CGI), simply because humans aren't cartoon characters. BBTF looks like the specific case that real women have smaller breasts than cartoon characters with otherwise similar figures. But, as I said earlier in this thread, MCS already describes cartoon women as having bigger, firmer, perkier breasts than real women with otherwise similar figures.

Mightymewtron pointed out that BBTF is an adaptation trope, but I honestly don't see how it's tropeworthy, or even if there is a real difference with MCS.

I don't know, maybe BBTF should be sent to TRS?

BBTF would need a wick check to be TRS'd, but that's not a reason to not bring it there. I think it has some issues to work out.

I did say it's an adaptation trope, but I will repeat that, more than anything, I just find it really creepy to compare actress's breasts sizes.

This paragraph, to start. Is this actually accurate, or is this just some troper complaining about the industry?

Warjay: I question whether it's even tropeworthy. What would a wick check look for in this case?

In cases like that, I usually just collect examples and organize them based on what sort of usage it is. It's less about finding a specific issue and more just gathering a sample size and saying "here's what people think this trope is about". A high density of misuse, trope overlap, ZCE, etc. can all act as evidence to back up your point.

The wick check project (linked in my sig) is always open if you want to do the check as a collab.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 13th 2021 at 5:14:24 AM

It seems like a similar trope to how Hartman Hips do not reflect realistic female anatomy.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 13th 2021 at 11:18:36 AM

Then it seems backwards. Instead of remarking on how drawn women have unrealistically wide hips, it seems to act surprised that real life women don't usually have giant breasts like their drawn counterparts. That's why I think it's kind of a weird trope as written.

Don't we have some supertrope about unrealistic body proportions? I think it would fall under that.

Impossible Hourglass Figure?

What's the difference between Adaptational Heroism and Adaptational Nice Guy? Because Pinocchio is listed as both.

Good Is Not Nice.

A character going from a jerkass villain in the book to a jerkass heroic teammate in the movie got Adaptational Heroism, but not Adaptational Nice Guy.

A character going from a Politically Incorrect Villain in the book to Affably Evil in the movie got Adaptational Nice Guy but not Adaptational Heroism.

I'm pretty sure Heroism is about morality while Niceness is about attitude. You can be a jerkish Anti-Hero or a kindhearted Affably Evil villain- in those cases, Adaptational Heroism or Adaptational Nice Guy would be appropriate, but it wouldn't work the other way around (as the anti-hero isn't nice and the nice villain is still a villain).

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 18th 2021 at 4:24:19 AM

So, since Pinoke isn't a villain in the original novel, would Adaptational Nice Guy work better?

I guess so? I might need to see the examples to actually be sure.

Yes, the Adaptational Heroism entry even states that Pinocchio was a Jerk with a Heart of Gold in the original novel, not a villain, while the Adaptational Nice Guy entry is really bare bones. I'd say rewrite the ANG entry with the AH write-up and cut the latter.

Fastest Thing Alive feels like a same-but-more-specific version of Super-Speed.