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Thinking about starting a thread on All There Is To Know About The Crying Game. It's pretty much just It Was His Sled but exaggerated. Plus, I can't think of any legit examples of the trope other then The Crying Game.

Okay, but keep in mind that just because you can't think of specific examples does not mean it's not page-worthy. I scroll through TLP all the time and there are some drafts where I know it's a thing, but I can't think of any examples. Do a wick check to be certain that it is redundant with It Was His Sled in terms of usage.

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame

Alright, I am back. There is a quite a bit of misuse of this trope as well.

The problem is that the things people know aren't spoilers or are not the ONLY thing known. But that's the not the point. The point is that it's a duplicate of It Was His Sled.

Edited by MisterSnuffy on Jun 16th 2020 at 12:45:03 PM

I mean... I know How to Do a Wick Check, I just don't have interest in checking this specific page. Don't tell me, present a strong case for it in your opening post if you make the thread. The onus to prove there's a problem is on the OP.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 16th 2020 at 12:00:38 PM

Now that we have a ton of new threads open, I wanted to make a list of older threads in need of closing, but that's basically any thread with a star next to it and it was just a lot of "-And this one also needs wicks cleaned".

That said, I do want us to try and shift gears for a bit. If we keep focusing exclusively on the hot new threads, the older ones will never finish. Personally, I'm going to start focusing on Black Best Friend and Bad Dreams.

Yeah, we need to start closing those old threads. I plan to work on Conspicuous CG (now 2D Visuals, 3D Effects) when I have the time to, and it’d be nice to see The Southpaw closed as well- it’s been open since late 2014.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jun 18th 2020 at 4:14:10 AM

I have been working on The South Paw but have been burnt on working on it. Plan to try to finish the eventually

I am trying to finish the threads I started, Wedding Day followed by Our Elves Are Better, but I would appreciate advice on the protocol to be followed for the latter.

~Loekman3, right now your Ending Aversion thread is just a non-cited assertion; mind backing it up with a wick check?

Yeah sorry about that, though it would attract spoilers. Anyway the citation is from The Last of Us Part II, will add it to the TRS cleanup now

Any thoughts on this idea?

Also, since exam season is winding down, I'll try to get the The Jailbait Wait topic concluded...

On condensing the post? Are there any parts you think are superfluous or wordy?

Two Lines Different Times is a new launch and thus should be handled at the Crash Rescue thread, not here.

So though I just made a thread for The Jester I'm not in a rush to have it opened; I just didn't want to accidentally forget to make it later. We can delay it if needed.

I don't have any ideas for how to condense the post, but I think it would be useful if the section about when to create a thread had better coverage of when a wick check should or shouldn't be posted, since it mainly says to use them when proposing renames.

On this page of this thread, a wick check was suggested for a thread about a trope being a duplicate, and in the thread for Major Injury Underreaction (which is a Duplicate Trope thread), the wick checks ended up revealing that there was a different problem with a different trope (misuse of I Ain't Got Time to Bleed).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:21:22 AM

Right; people have been having a recurring issue with remembering when they should and shouldn't provide a wick check. It might be easier to list the occasions when a wick check isn't necessary, or to just list the different reasons for checking wicks.

I agree with listing different reasons; it might be useful to say what to check for in the case of threads that aren't for misuse.

Edit: I looked at How to Do a Wick Check and the "How do I do it?" section mainly focus on misuse... though it looks like the "What should I be looking at?" section covers that, at least to an extent (it covers complaining and gushing, but not things like duplication or turning a YMMV item into an In-Universe Examples Only trope).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 28th 2020 at 10:21:54 AM

Sorry for the double post, but Two Lines Different Times has another thread by the same person, despite the original thread having a mod post saying to use the TLP Crash Rescue thread.

I'll just be honest...

While I like that the "waiting list" has been essentially forgotten entirely lately, with threads being opened a day or so after being posted, this is also causing problems.

There's too much. There's way too much going on. We have tons of threads still awaiting resolution. Tons of threads that still need wicks moved or sandboxes approved or crowners called/hooked/made. We have so much we already need to do and we're already a small group as-is, having us balance even more new threads on top of it all is just going to lead to even less getting done. If we aren't going to end up with burnout we'll be diving our attention so much that none of these threads will come to a timely solution because we'll also be trying to work on this thread, and that thread, and that other thread, and that thread that just opened despite no mod posting about it to let us know about it actually being opened.

Yes, we were asking for threads to get opened, but this isn't the way to go. The waiting list wasn't bad because we had to wait. It was bad because the amount of wait time seemed arbitrary and the longer a thread sat there the less likely it was to ever be touched. And yet, it also kept us productive and focused, with the mindset that to get a thread to open we had to get one to close, and there was less to worry about so we could devote more time to fixing a specific trope.

I'm just...ugh. This isn't what we wanted at all and I feel like I had to speak up about it because at some point we need to put quality over quantity. There's already a serious problem with the TRS not getting anything done and this feels like it's just stacking the deck against us. We simply don't have the manpower needed to work on all these issues simultaneously.

I see the problem. We need to set down how many open TRS threads we are going to have and what to do when someone posts an OP that is adequate but opening it would exceed the limit. My sense was that 100 is an acceptable number but from ^ it seems like it needs to be less. Thing is that using the mod approval function as a de facto thread cap requires too much work on the staff side of things.

I'm just glad you listened to my rant and understand my concern. I was afraid when nobody else said anything that this would just get buried later with no resolution or discussion about it.

Maybe this is drastic but I wouldn't mind the cap being lowered to 75 or hell even 50. TRS isn't nearly as active as IP is and threads don't get resolved as quickly due to the nature of the work we do so I would support a smaller cap.

As an aside, it is a bit annoying that the same few threads are the only ones getting any attention and most of the pending ones are still ignored since there is only gruntwork left to do.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 5th 2020 at 12:10:41 PM

That's why I kinda liked having to close threads before other ones would open. It gave people an incentive to get gruntwork done. My complaints were because the threads being opened were all newer ones for a while and the older ones were getting ignored, not because we had to wait.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 5th 2020 at 11:54:58 AM

Question - the welcome posts lists "unclear definition" as a reason for submission while explicitly referring elsewhere for unclear descriptions. (Presumably meaning that, if it's unclear what the trope is, it goes here, but if everyone understands what the trope is, but the description does a poor job of communicating it, it goes elsewhere.) Yet, the official repair reason is "unclear description", not "unclear definition". Is this intentional?

Hey, quick thing. The term “g*psy” is thought of as a slur equivalent to the n-word for many Romani people, a fact which we note on our Useful Notes page for the Romani. However, lots of tropes still use it in their title and the term is even used on the Useful Notes page for Romani. I don't know how large of an undertaking it is to rename a few tropes, but it seems like something worth looking into. I apologize if this isn’t the right place to ask about this, I didn’t know where would be.

Edited by JoeyFromSchool on Jul 9th 2020 at 11:51:49 AM