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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
I'm helping!
It seems to be "Fanfic Recommendations but for Youtube videos", so... maybe????
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I finally finished my wick check for Pet-Peeve Trope and added it to the TRS Queue. I generated a list of wicks for Refrain from Assuming because the fact that the concept of audiences making mistakes isn't tagged as YMMV has been bugging me for a while; since Refrain from Assuming was already listed on the Wick Check Project sandbox, I linked to my sandbox there, but I won't add it to the TRS Queue until it's done (whenever that is, since it took me a while to finish the check for Pet-Peeve Trope).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Just stoic wisdom.
Updated the wicks again.
Fewest remaining: Bastard Boyfriend (774), Angry Black Man (701), Biker Babe (680), Ill Boy (475), Kill Them All (67)
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Neglected to mention that I removed my wick check sandbox for Refrain from Assuming from the Wick Check Project sandbox since I'm not doing it as part of that project, but I'm not going to put the "Tropes awaiting wick checks" listing back since I'm working on that part.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
the Retromancer
Whole-Plot Reference has an "index" pagetype, but allows examples (3660 wicks aside) that don't fit in any specific plot subtropes, is it set incorrectly? (Only asking here because I did so before, there doesn't appear to be a designated pagetype thread.)
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
(she/her)
Maybe we can revive the Page Type Correction thread for questions like this.
Anyways, it should be set to trope + index. If we want to do an example sectionectomy, that would need further discussion so I'll fix the page type so that it accurately reflects the page.
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 17th 2022 at 1:04:12 PM
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
Forgot about that thread despite posting there before. Probably because it's a rather rare kind of problem.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I finished my wick check of Refrain from Assuming and added it to the TRS Queue. It wound up being directly after my listing for Pet-Peeve Trope since nobody else took any slots after the latter.
The check confirmed my suspicion that it's an Audience Reaction that was mistakenly classified as objective.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Sorry for the double post, but I mentioned the fact that pings don't work in TRS opening posts (which I ran into problems with in this thread) to the admins. Macron (who said they don't work in IP opening posts either) and I are currently discussing it with them and they said they'll look into it.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 17th 2022 at 2:50:30 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Is this where we talk about what's YMMV and what's not?
Because if I'm right, and YMMV is when the core of an idea is about what a audience member does, instead of what the work does, then Item Farming is either a Chairs response to Random Drop, or YMMV.
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
the Retromancer
Yes, if Item Farming isn't 1. Mentioned in the work, like game-themed series. or 2. An intentional mechanic, like exaggerated 20 Bear Asses or there besing a designated area for it. Then it's slipping into Fan Speak. A wick check is needed to see if it's just a terminology or it's invoked significant amount of times.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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I think Trope Talk would be preferable to using this thread.
(she/her)
It's been brought up that Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop says that TRS can also be used for work pages despite the name. However, I don't think we do that any more as there are multiple places work page problems can go to. Should we remove that line?
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
I can't think of an issue for a work page that would warrant a separate thread besides Image Pickin and Content Policy Review, which are at own forums.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Maybe we could get rid of it.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
When it was added to the policy page, I wonder if it was meant to cover edge cases, though I can't think of any examples now. Or it was written when all types of pages could be freely created without YKTTW/TLP and the line between trope and work less distinct, so they were just included.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I do remember seeing a work page get TRS'd once but I don't remember what the circumstances were. It was certainly an odd case where many people questioned if it was even allowed. T'was back before the thread limit, when people could just make threads whenever and that one got opened.
Edit: Think I found the thread?
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 19th 2022 at 2:21:22 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm in favor of discontinuing the usage of TRS for work pages due to the reduced amount of slots. Note that this is just my opinion and not a mod statement; I might bring this up for discussion with the other mods.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, so I got some more feedback and I updated Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop to remove the part about work pages being brought to TRS and added new text saying they belong in Projects instead of TRS, and I also added a new part saying that things classified as Not a Trope, like YMMV and Trivia pages, are allowed on TRS despite "Trope" being in the name.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 19th 2022 at 2:21:52 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I do remember there were a couple times a trope page was made in a work namespace in order to get around going through the TLP (Roleplay.Jumpchain and Fanfic.Planetarily Annihilating Self Insertion); were those sorts of pages what it was talking about?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I moved my Pet-Peeve Trope entry on the TRS Queue below The Mayor of Simpleton's most recent entry (which itself is the most recent entry period) partially because I already thought Refrain from Assuming needed TRS more than Pet-Peeve Trope (I simply ended up doing a wick check for the latter before the former), and partially because I don't want to end up having two consecutive threads (the fact that I did before I decided to delay the Pet-Peeve Trope thread a bit was a coincidence; it happened because nobody else added a draft between the two I added).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 20th 2022 at 6:54:26 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I deferred Ambiguous Disorder's cleanup to the cleanup thread, so give me a bit and I'll make the next thread in the queue.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Yeah, thanks for that. I removed it from the Queue since I already had the editor opened.
Also, should the Diagnosed by the Audience cleanup thread (as it's now known) be moved to Long-Term Projects, or is it fine in Short-Term?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 22nd 2022 at 8:02:48 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Is YouTube Recommendations conceptually okay even as a JFF page?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup