The Scrappy Cleanup

So TheScrappy.Super Mario Bros claims Baby Daisy and Baby Rosalina are scrappies simply for being baby versions of divisive characters. For starters, I do not see Rosalina as divisive at all. She's popular enough to be in the spinoff games to the point not including her has sprung fan outcry.

Meanwhile Daisy, while not the most popular character, she's still got a very vocal fandom with plenty of shippers who ship her with Luigi, Waluigi, heck even Peach or Rosalina. I don't think hating characters simply for being babies should be criteria for a Scrappy. Scrappy Doo for instance was like a younger version of Scooby Doo but he had other factors that made him annoying rather than simply being a Younger Kid-Appeal Character.

Not every Kid-Appeal Character is a Scrappy as that's Periphery Hatedom.

So yeah, I'd like to request Bany Daisy and Rosalina to be cut simply for being Spinoff Babies.

Edited by Klavice on Feb 26th 2019 at 2:41:52 AM

Rosalina has been a Base-Breaking Character as of late with some fans loving her while others liked her at first but thought she was overused, but I haven't seen anything but general dislike for the baby characters and feeling they take up more deserving slots.

That's not what a Base-Breaking Character is. A Base-Breaking Character is much more divisive, with a vicious and long-running conflict between two very vocal sides of similar size and very little to no middle ground. I have my doubts that Rosalina meets that requirement.

Yeah, I remember bringing Rosalina up on the Base-Breaking Character Clean-Up Thread, and we ended up cutting her because her entry was mostly "She's Popular, Now She Sucks". We did keep Daisy on the page though.

As for the babies, most of the backlash less that they're younger versions of divisive characters and more that they take up character slots that could've been given to someone else. Baby Daisy and Rosalina were made specifically for the Mario Kart games, and some fans think there were more deserving characters that could've taken their place. It's similar to the backlash against Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart 8.

I've heard that's an Americans Hate Tingle situation, though I don't know myself. If not I think they'd fit.

From what I've heard, Japan has next to no issue with clone characters compared to the West - it's kinda why you see like 20 different Gokus in Dragon Ball games, or why Dark (INSERT NAME HERE) is such a common concept in anime and games. They enjoy this stuff, or at least don't mind it like we do. I can't say what their thoughts are on the lil' babs specifically, but going by cultural differences I'd wager they at least failed to gain a hatedom in Japan and thus would fit under AHT.

Edited by DocSharp on Feb 26th 2019 at 8:19:30 AM

Rosalina has always been a mixed bag, but I don't know if she's an actual Base-Breaking Character or if there's a Vocal Minority of people who loathe her. She's more popular than she's hated and most of her hatred seems to stem from the hardcore Mario fanbase. Much of her hatred seems to come from Daisy fans, but she's not a Replacement Scrappy since the two characters co-exist.

Anyway, I've come across two questionable examples on YMMV.Harvest Moon Animal Parade:

• Luna isn't all that loved. For one thing, she is the rival for Gill who's an Ensemble Dark Horse. Also, some people don't like how she looks too much like a kid, or how she acts like one.
• Selena, another rival for a popular marriage candidate (Luke). People may think that she's a brat for the way she's acts with her parents when you first meet her.

I don't think either are unpopular. They're just strongly impacted by Die for Our Ship fans due to how popular their love interests are.

Cut then.

VisualNovel.School Days

• Makoto Itou, for being utterly reprehensible in addition to being a gigantic idiot. Even if it was intentional, it backfired horribly, because a majority of the people who don't like School Days place the blame solely on how utterly despicable he is.
• Sekai, for seducing Makoto in the first place, and for being a manipulative bitch.
• There's quite a few actually, but Makoto, Sekai, and Taisuke stand at the top of the heap. Makoto for being a manwhore, Sekai for seducing Makoto in the first place, and Taisuke for being a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and a Karma Houdini.
• The two heroines of Cross Days, Roka and Ai suffers this as well. With Roka being targeted because of her routes being too "straightforward" (despite the fact that it's very likely intentional as Yuki is true to his name in those routes instead of resorting to somewhat more manipulative ways in Makoto's routes) while Ai's because of her willingness to break Makoto and Kotonoha apart and get pregnant with Yuki's child and her Mad Love status which fans seem to disregard that it's partly Yuki's fault (which he decide to take his responsibility of in "Only Love and Courage") or that in true route she decide to not blame it on Yuki and lets him be happy with Roka.

Of them, Makoto is the only one who may count because it explains why he's unintentional (everyone else ids deliberately flawed), but since The Scrappy requires being hated by fans of the work, does he count if he's only hated by those who hate the work?

I feel Makoto nowadays is more of a Base-Breaking Character than a scrappy. When you delve more into messed up setting of School Days you noticed that Makoto isn't even the biggest jerkass in the story.

The only place where he is consistently The Scrappy is the anime and i don't if entries based on one interpretation are allowed.

Why is he The Scrappy in the anime but not elsewhere? his extra hate there looks intentional, I'm just cutting it all unless anyone has anything to say otherwise.

Most people are only familiar with the anime, where most of his hatred comes from. If the hate is intentional then he shouldn't be The Scrappy

That said, there are other versions of Makoto that are listed under Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. That's why i wonder if having different versions of the same characters be listed in two places is allowed

The new rule is someone Rescued from the Scrappy Heap is no linger the Scrappy so should be removed (unless they had Jar Jar Binks-level notoriety). Since we can't tell if Makoto was Scrappy, I'm cutting.

Found this on The Girls Series: Nadine, for her constant cruelty to Ellie. Magda's no angel, but she has more redeeming qualities.

Cut since if fails et explain why the hate's unintentional.

Found this on The Sky Crawlers: Ukumori, with his propensity to shove his 'the weak die in battle' mentality down everybody else's throat. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.

Re: last page, I apologize for the Long Exposure, was unaware of a huge project.

Though Hate Sink has been getting on my nerves and I have half a mind to open a TRS thread on it.

I think Hate Sink has a cleanup already.

Hate Sink cleanup thread is here.

Deleted Ukumori since nothing suggest it's unintentional.

On pages for reviewers, let's players, etc., I often see The Scrappy listed as in-universe example(s) for fictional characters the subject hates. Is this misuse? Examples of this were just removed from Chuggaaconroy.

That is misuse because The Scrappy is for characters the majority of the fandom hates, not characters a content creator such as let's player or reviewer personally hates. An In-Universe example for The Scrappy would be a character who is hated by the fans of a Show Within a Show.

The only legit examples of that I've seen on the wiki is Booster in Jingle All the Way and Poochie in The Simpsons.

Does that also apply to "in-universe" Scrappy Mechanic?

Edited by rjd1922 on Jun 26th 2020 at 11:51:38 AM

Regarding the previous page, I think Sakura should at least be a Base-Breaking Character. Kishimoto himself acknowledged that a lot of people hate her.

You'd have to first prove that there isn't a sizable middle ground between those who love her and those who hate her.

Sakura is always been a love it or hate it character, usually there is no middle ground with her.