TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

I have a few specific responses to works that have been brought up — before I post that big list of tallies. (I'll post it once more for January and February, then archive those resolved issues somewhere. Should the archive go on the wiki somewhere (like Keep Real Life Examples is a sort of archive)?

• New Characters.Spring Breakers: "only 1 good example"
  • I think this should be brought up in the ZCE thread instead of here if that's the issue? It was created November 2016. Eh, kind of old.
• New VideoGame.Discovery Freelancer: "motion to dump"; from 2014
  • Paged creator (3/3)
• DanganronpaRPForScrunts.Danganronpa RP For Scrunts:
  • Creator notified. Creator moved it to the correct namespace: Roleplay.Danganronpa RP For Scrunts. Creator added it to DarthWiki.Unpublished Works.
  • Subpages / Other Pages: Were cut. Characters.Danganronpa RP For Scrunts, Quotes.Danganronpa RP For Scrunts
  • Creator was paged (3/4)
  • Was cut (even though Creator was paged? Maybe something happened in the background, idk). Mod post 1, mod post 2
  • Is this one "resolved" finally

edited 4th Mar '17 10:54:16 AM by WaterBlap

If I may chime in:

Act Of True Love Stalemate: cut-worthy. It's one of those Trope X meets Trope Y overlaps trying to be independent, which are inherently troublesome. There's True Love, yes. There are stalemates and impasses, yes. Both at once can occur, but does it serve a story / character purpose? No.

Bust Chart: trivia. Chalo's Webcomic.Las Lindas might be the best-known one. There, it's relegated to an aside page as an addendum. I believe most other examples are likewise set-asides from any main story. Trivia, full stop.

Casual Sports Jersey: I apologize for hatting this one; I thought it could fly. But it's really an established character type (Dumb Jock, Cute Parasite) wearing a numbered Jersey. This would be an incidental at best, suitable for Trivia.

Cast From [insert stat here]: This is Cast From Hit Points, just depleting a different status bar. The principle is identical: to throw magic / kai, one must expend resources, making the PC weaker somehow. Cut-worthy as a pickaninny duplicate.

Everybody Loves / Hates [insert name here]: Cut-worthy. A powerful character, good or bad or neutral, will inherently acquire fans and detractors alike. This happens. What's its story-telling purpose? None. What's its Characterization purpose? Already covered.

Half-baked launches are bound to occur, it's an endemic hazard of TV Tropes. I think we'll be stuck with demotion to TLP / shunt to TRS / flag for ATT "laundry duty" no matter what.

@oneuglybunny: Commenting on the Everybody Hates Ares trope is best done in the TRS thread. Your voice on that trope can be heard there in an actionable way.

I don't really see this as "laundry duty" so much as acting as a filter of tropes before they become problems for TRS.

Motion to cut the following pages:

• Act Of True Love Stalemate^{Non-Contested Stats} 5
• Death Rides A Skateboard^{Non-Contested Stats} 5.
• Deus Ex Savant^{Non-Contested Stats} 4
• Incident Of Way Back When^{Non-Contested Stats} 4.
• Misplaced Bubbles^{Contested Stats}  c is contested (4c, 2sb)
• The Princess And The Pirate^{Non-Contested Stats} 4..

Motion to keep the following pages (and suggested actions):

• Creator's Pest: There has been strong consensus to "keep and monitor."
• Film Of The Ride^{Contested Stats} k winning at contested 4.
• Most Definitely Not Accompanying Us^{Non-Contested Stats} 4,

Motion to send back:

• The Lightfooted^{Non-Contested Stats} 4,,
• Literal Self Made Man^{Non-Contested Stats} 4,,,

[Also moved some cut works onto the resolved lists.]

[Act Of True Love Stalemate and Death Rides A Scateboard have been cut. I'll count that as a February thing (this'll be the last post with that list of resolutions). Film.Unforgettable has been resolved, as far as I can see. Other cuts: Characters.Mass Teleportation, Lasagna Cat, Danganronpa RP For Scrunts / DanganronpaRPForScrunts.Danganronpa RP For Scrunts. Nobody's responded to the other motions I made in this post (sadface). For the record, those tropes that had 5 uncontested votes were added to the cut list because, well, they had 5 uncontested votes.]

This post (after this line) is an attempt to tally everyone's votes.

If you want to be included in this tally, please use the verbiage in the folder titled "The key to the tallies" (not super formal). (This folder will be updated to reflect common sayings at some point.)

None of the following lists include "reported" tallies. They only include "primary sources," so to speak. Otherwise, we could find ourselves doubling votes very quickly. That said, please do not "re-vote." Feel free to continue the discussion and make sure your point is heard (I won't stop you). If you are unsure of whether your vote was heard, please link to your previous post.

• Count Start Post: Page 187
• Count End Post: Page 196

Folderized because there are so many lines!

edited 9th Mar '17 1:56:07 PM by WaterBlap

This isn't laundry duty, it's maintenance work. Stuff happens under the best of systems, and dealing with it is better then letting kindling and garbage accumulate until flashpoint.

Those of us working on this thread want to be here. If we decided we didn't want to do this, we could just walk away. As volunteering goes, it's incredibly casual.

Act of true love stalemate: cut that.

Hello! I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to post here, I've never used TV Tropes before and I'm new. I am someone from the "Danganronpa RP For Scrunts" group that got their page removed. I would like to say that I am the one that created the group, and Oggs is just the one who made the page. There seems to be a few misunderstandings here. I'll start with the easiest. First, the name "Danganronpa RP For Scrunts" isn't exactly the real name, and it's mostly an inside joke. It has nothing to do with genitalia, and is in fact a reference to a rejected Neopets character that someone from the group stumbled upon once. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/guilds/images/9/95/Scrunt.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120205025730 Second, I would like to state the RP is not invite only. The way Discord works is that you have to get a link to the server, and then send it out to people. I can happily provide a link to the server that never expires, our only worry is that the server will get flooded. There are about 18 of us in there that actively participate in the RP and in conversations, and then a large group of inactive or silent people. We're worried if we send out a public link we'll get overwhelmed and there will be too much for us to handle. We currently only have 4 mods. Third, we are not making this page to boost our egos or brag or shove a private RP in anyone's faces. We just wanted to make page to attach tropes to our characters and share funny moments that happened in the RP. We found another Danganronpa RP on here, so we thought it'd be fine for us to make one as well. We didn't think anyone would ever end up stumbling upon it, honestly. Lastly, we do not actively participate in any vore. In the RP we have only ever jokingly referred to it. Our RP is definitely not the most Safe For Work thing out there, but it's based off the series Danganronpa which is known for its sexual themes. There have been a few lewd moments in the RP, but we promise to tone them down if that's a problem! I'm sorry for all the confusion and trouble, and I'm also sorry if this is the incorrect place to send this! Thank you

Analysis.Lasagna Cat seems to be poorly formatted attempt to add examples rather then Analysis

I tried my best to fix Unforgettable for you guys, but those two tropes were the only ones I'm sure it has. Hopefully the creator has more, but I doubt it since it won't even be released until April.

If it hasn't been released, the work page shouldn't have any tropes on it, unless they're related to the title. Tropes from works should not be listed on speculation that they'll be used.

Princeoftetris, there's a couple problems.

Disclaimer: Not a mod.

One is that without being the average person able to trope it, it's effectively an Unpublished Work. Those go in Darth Wiki, and only get one page.

Two is we have a Content Policy and No Lewdishness No Prudishness. Even Unpublished Works need to adhere to them, including when writing examples.

"Troping funny moments" is vague. Moments inside the story are fine, but Troper Tales aren't allowed.

Your difficulty (among others) is you don't want just anyone wandering into your group -which is perfectly understandable! (Believe me, I personally understand.)

Ours here is, tropers need to be able to verify that both the work and tropes within exist, in order for it to be moved out of Darth.

Do the mods or any other tropers see anything I missed, or anything else that covers this?

edited 5th Mar '17 8:44:24 PM by Candi

• The article as it stands/stood is of extraordinarily low quality, way below what we expect of a work article on the site.
• The article is about a work that nobody but its participants can see to verify that the tropes claimed were actually present.
• There are suggestions that the work might contain inappropriate content.
• We aren't here for RP'ers to keep a catalog of tropes that they use in their games. They are welcome to do that somewhere else. We are here to trope discrete works that are available to the general public. If an RP is being conducted in a publicly accessible venue and/or published as a discrete work, then it's fine to have an article for it. But your private gaming session is not suitable content for TV Tropes.

edited 5th Mar '17 9:17:08 PM by Fighteer

Characters.Mass Teleportation seems to be a misplaced example

Quotes.Magical Girl Raising Project looks like an angry rant rather then a quote

Added Characters.Mass Teleportation to the cut list, since it's a trope with a Characters/ subpage. The other page is a difficult read, but is that a misplaced review or just complaining?

It's complaining about a certain character's in-series and fan treatment. I'll cut it.

Plasma Manipulation has some problems that were brought up in YKTTW and not resolved (link). The sponsor was Tropers/123 and it was prematurely launched by ABC.

It Needs A Better Description. Also, there comment-out markup that says there was an Image Pickin' thread for the Kirby image, but if you go to that thread, there's no obvious discussion of "plasma" or "Kirby"?

edited 8th Mar '17 10:04:24 PM by WaterBlap

Yeah, that desperately needs to go back. "Plasma" isn't defined in any meaningful way, the examples are pitiful (every last one of them is "this character uses plasma"). Honestly, if the examples can't have more context then this isn't a trope, just a list of people who have the word "plasma" in somewhere in their powersets.

Unlaunched it.

• UN Hhhh: Not a work of fiction, seems to just be a vlog series. Not tropable.
• Mickey and the Roadster Racers: Stub, improperly formatted. ~elenaisabel722 created it, new troper.

Why is a vlog not tropable?

Hmm. I find that articles about works that are not creative or that have to do with fiction in some form or another almost always devolve to troping the opinions and/or the people presented, which is not kosher.

That's not the same as "not tropeable." The RL persons troping and the troping by proxy could be cleaned up without cutting the article outright.

Not necessarily. If the blog is about politics or a similar hot button topic (hello, Feminist Frequency), then it would likely be almost nothing but natter and ROCEJ fun units anyway.

edited 10th Mar '17 1:14:37 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

The Noisy Straw seems to be People Make Noise while Drinking Through a Straw. I think there's a trope here ("annoying or immature or obnoxious character intentionally makes noise for [reasons]"), but the description makes it sound like the trope is just about the act of drinking through a straw and making noise. I think it should be sent back. I'm kind of surprised that nobody commented on the description before it launched.

Web Video UN Hhhh's page says they talk about whatever they like, which means some parts could be tropable and other parts not.

I'm disturbed by the tenor and tone of the description. To me, it reads as somewhat snarky and rude.

Main.The Mark Side was put through TLP (link) and it's a useless (imo) disambig stub to two works by the same person (in the same namespace?) also found in WebOriginal.The Mark Side. How it got five hats with one comment, I have no idea, but it seems pretty weird.

I already put it on the cut list, since it's functionally a Main/ redirect and otherwise a redundant stub (given the work page).

edited 10th Mar '17 7:21:52 PM by WaterBlap

Given the revelation in the ATT query about those pages that the creator of the TLP version of Main.The Mark Side had five accounts (one sharing its name with the work's creator) registered from the same IP address, I'm inclined to think the accumulation of five hats may not be a coincidence.

I've at least cleaned up the page's major problems with formatting (or, for that matter, using) potholes correctly; I suspect it's salvageable as a work page, but the creator of the page (and the work, assuming it's the same person) does need to have proper editing practices drummed into their head. Before foxley's frankly heroic tidying up of the page, the trope list wasn't in anything even resembling alphabetical order. (I've said it before, I'll say it again: if there isn't a notifier for ignoring alphabetisation, there ought to be. But that's one for the Tech Wishlist.)