Is this an example?

The subtext wasn't confirmed for years so I don't think it's as clear-cut as most other Ho Yay misuse where the subtext is lampshaded in-universe.

Came across The Presents Were Never from Santa. The trope appears to be about a person who thinks they have help from a supernatural source, but then it's revealed that, no, that's a false belief. However, the quote is from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, specifically the scene where the peasants tell King Arthur that he shouldn't be king just because the Lady of the Lake gave him a sword. I'm not really sure what this has to do with the trope, as I think in this case the Lady of the Lake is real, and at no point is it revealed to Arthur that the Lady of the Lake was in fact not mystical.

Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 14th 2021 at 10:42:41 AM

Can someone please check my previous post? Thank you.

• Nothing Is Scarier: The thing in the comical field goes unseen throughout El-ahrairah and Rabscuttle's attempts to flee from it. It briefly comes into view toward the end, spurring on their final dash that takes them out of the field. The sight of it is not described for the reader; the narration only says that El-ahrairah would never describe what he saw, and would only speak of it once — implying that it was evil — before refusing to say more.

I'm trying to crosswalk this example to the trope page, but the page's examples are divided into three sections: "Wait for it...", "Nothing at all", and "There all along!".

Which section should it go in? "Wait for it..."? Does it fit any section at all?

Can you explain what this example from? And also I think it's either "Wait for it" or "Nothing at all".

Guys, also please check my Darker and Edgier example. I've been waiting for a long time.

Edited by Bubblepig on Sep 14th 2021 at 12:52:28 PM

I missed it before. I think you can just cut the socially awkward bit.

Ok thank you.

Can we make it a rule in these cleanup threads that when posting an example to check, the users have to explain what page the example is from? Not all of us are as familiar with the work in question to guess it just based on character names.

Exactly my thought. We need people to be specific about where the example from so that we can know what's the problem.

It's from Tales from Watership Down, "The Story of the Comical Field". I didn't think knowing the work would have helped — all needed context should be in the example.

Edited by Twiddler on Sep 14th 2021 at 1:23:37 AM

From Queen:

Germans Love David Hasselhoff: According to Brian May, Queen was worried for a time that they'd neglected their native Britain during the seventies (in spite of their considerable success at home) in favour of making it in America, but the massive success of their free concert in Hyde Park in 1977 allayed their fears.

My post about Not Allowed to Grow Up hasn't been answered yet. Unless it'd be more advisable for me to take it to Trop Repair Shop? But I did give at least four examples which isn't that much to warrant a TRS discussion.

I say you can clean up examples of characters who have actually aged, or examples that talk about maturity but not age.

This Pokemon example was added to Trans Audience Interpretation:

• The trainer Beauty Nova ("Beauty" being a class of trainer in the game) in X and Y mentions that a mere half year ago, she was a Black Belt, but has now been reborn as a Beauty. Black Belt in the context of the game is an all-male class of trainer, making Nova pretty explicitly transgender, though it's not directly stated.

Thing is, the character is explicitly transgender, as the original Japanese release refers to "the power of medical science," and the Black Belt class in Japan is explicitly called Karate King, i.e. a male class. So it's not really TAI, as it's not the fandom seeing her as trans, just a character being trans.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 14th 2021 at 8:40:54 AM

I support its removal.

From Trivia.Neon Genesis Evangelion:

• The Cast Showoff: Tiffany Grant and Stephanie McKeon, the respective English voice actresses for Asuka in the ADV and Netflix versions, get to show off their German-speaking abilities.

Both actresses mentioned they have studied German before, so is this considered a valid example?

Edited by gjjones on Sep 14th 2021 at 8:43:48 AM

I wrote this entry for YMMV.Oroonoko but I think it needs a bit of work so I brought it here to have it looked at.

• Fair for Its Day: The story does not condemn the entire institution of slavery. Oroonoko being enslaved is only portrayed in a negative light because he is royalty. Furthermore while parts of Western culture are shown to be corrupt in the tale, non-European cultures are compared negatively compared to the West (see Oroonoko and Imoinda's positive qualities mainly conforming to white English society, not their blackness).

For context, this was written in 1688 by a white British woman, whose views on slavery seem to be tepid from looking her up. The "Oroonoko shouldn't be a slave because no royal person should be in that position" part stems mostly from the author's royalist views and the people who enslave Oroonoko and Imoinda are portrayed vilely. Is there anything I should add or tweak about this example?

Edited by delayedboom on Sep 14th 2021 at 9:16:26 AM

The Council of Ricks in Rick and Morty formed the Council so they wouldn't be oppressed by the government...resulting in them becoming an oppressive government.

Not sure if Does This Remind You of Anything? has a cleanup, but this was just added to Madagascar.

• Does This Remind You of Anything?: The American officers fear the animals simply because they don't speak English. It may also be because they're wild animals, but Alex and Gloria are fully anthropomorphized and the tranquilizer gun has a laser on it as a gun or taser might.

This feels like a stretch. Everyone fears the animals because (as the example points out) they're wild animals. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most guns have lasers on them, including tranquilizer guns?

Even besides that, the film doesn't have any kind of immigration commentary on it. (At least not with the animals and the humans.)

We do have a cleanup, yes. And yes, that is a wild stretch with some equally wild Unfortunate Implications.

Does anyone know?

I added this to My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S9 E16 "A Trivial Pursuit"

• Villain Protagonist: Twilight is this in this episode, treating Pinkie like a burden and tricking her into getting disqualified.

Another troper removed it saying that "Villain Protagonist isn't a one-episode thing". Was this a valid reason to remove it or can vary depending on the episode? Reading some of the examples instances of this trope on its page seems to suggest the latter.

Don't see any reason why an episodic work like MLP couldn't have a character be a one-off Villain Protagonist. A better question, though: does the episode portray her as both a villain and a protagonist, or is this just an attempt to complain about her behavior? The example text presented doesn't contain enough information to determine this.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Sep 15th 2021 at 4:24:30 AM

@wingedcatgirl: The episode clearly portrays her as in the wrong for her actions, and she's the main character of the episode.

Just because a character is in the wrong doesn't make them a villain.

(x5) Haven't watched Rick and Morty but sounds like Became Their Own Antithesis.

Any opinions on the YMMV.Oroonoko example I wrote here?