Is this an example?

If the game explains a mechanic in detail in game it is NOT a Guide Dang It!?

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I think you can safely slash that. Dana has explicitly said that she would like to continue the series at some time and with so many possible plot threads to include in a sequel/continuation especially with a perfect new villain to take center stage in The Archivists I really don't see this example sticking.

Edited by ForgoLight on Jun 3rd 2023 at 9:32:52 AM

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"

Yea. I thought so too.

Through, that troper who put it up. Either got some misinterpretation or misinformation from a bad source?

Found this on ShaggyDogStory.Video Games, which I bring up due to reading more as an audienece reaction

• Tokyo Xanadu, after all the things the team went through and the entire message of the final chapter is about accepting your loss and moving on, which appears to be the secondary moral of the story aside from Your hard work matters. The game suddenly presents the player a chance to Set Right What Once Went Wrong for a happy ending where the loss never happened, completely discarding the secondary moral, and upsetting some of the players who felt the original ending was bolder.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jun 4th 2023 at 1:59:23 AM

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This is basically the same argument as the Broken Aesop or whatever it was entry that I believe was already cut, which I argued for cutting on the grounds that I'm not nearly as sure it's actually the message as this person seems to think. And while that's somewhat irrelevant there compared to the fandom reaction (which I don't know anything about), you yourself said that you hadn't seen much evidence of it, and regardless it's less relevant to an objective trope like "Shaggy Dog" Story.

Speaking of themes, CentralTheme.Video Games also has a TX entry and a few of them I'm unsure of due to TX's more episodic approach.

• Tokyo Xanadu is filled to the brim with them, typically about one a chapter:
  • Chapter 1: How far are you willing to go for those you care about, even when you're very likely in over your head?
  • Chapter 2: Jealousy and how it destroys friendships and ourselves
  • Chapter 3: You can't hide away from the world. Sometimes you have to be a part of it whether you like it or not.
  • Chapter 4: Even if you have good intentions, fighting alone isn't always the answer. Accept help when it's offered.
  • Chapter 5: Pushing others away, even cause you think it will keep them safe, can only bring about your own downfall.
  • Chapter 6: How we got to where we are now may be good or bad, but in the end, what we do with it now is what matters. ^note  Rion is appalled at the amount of devastation the Angel Greed that saved her life has caused and the people who got hurt, enough to wish she had never survived to begin with. However, with help from the party and her S Pi KA companions, she continues to fulfill her dream as an idol who encourages and uplifts others.
  • Chapter 7: Being united for a common cause and accepting even the seemingly unlikeliest form of help.
  • Final Chapter: When believing a lie for so long, even when made fully aware of it, are you truly ready to let it go?
  • True End: When given a chance to make an extraordinary change, are you willing to go to the most extreme lengths to do so, even if it meant facing the greatest challenge you've ever encountered?
  • In the end, the overall theme of the game is accepting things we resist. Asuka resists attachment to others given her dangerous line of work, Yuuki would rather sit at home and live his life on the computer, Shio pushes that he'll handle BLAZE alone when appalled at their actions, Garou initially refuses the XRC's help due to their relative inexperience, and Kou starts to break down as Shiori begins to dematerialize after the final battle, showing he's not yet ready to let the lie go as he thought.

Can you also elaborate on the message part, cause I would like a bigger explanation.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:24:19 AM

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Basically, the whole idea that the climax is a fantasy metaphor for accepting grief hinges on assuming that Kou's subconscious knowledge that the real Shiori has been Dead All Along is negatively affecting him/holding him back as a person, but the main source of that claim in the game itself is Shiori's Superpowered Evil Side, who's one of the main antagonists and not shown to be entirely correct. When Kou finds out the truth he says that it may have been what subconsciously drove him to do a lot of different unfocused things, but because of that he also made a lot of friends and had a lot of interesting experiences that he might not have had otherwise. The same point sort of comes up earlier during the interlude, IIRC.

Like, it's certainly a valid potential interpretation, but the idea that it's the point of the game (or at least the ending) and the golden ending wimps out on it doesn't really hold up, IMO.

Edited by nrjxll on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:32:40 PM

I see, So its an interpretation that is mostly the result of the antagonist themselves, who is an Unreliable Expositor. Hope I'm not missing a few story beats.

Anyways, any thoughts on the Central Theme post

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Recently I put this as an example of Tainted by the Preview in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: "Similarly to Latin American viewers, Taiwanese viewers also express their criticism of Sony's choices of the dubbing cast, including casting a lot of Youtubers instead of professional voice actors, replacing Miles's and Gwen's vocie actors with celebrities who have few voice acting experiences, not to mention that only the celebrities are listed in dub promotionals with no regular voice actors listed. Some people there also stated to watch the subbed version instead."

Here are some detailed reasons for this: (source: I'm from Taiwan, and many people there are also upset about this decisions:)

1) People there aren't fond of celebrity voice actor as they thought the celebrity choices are based on their popularity instead of talents like Japan and America (with some few exceptions;)

2) The original movie didn't use any celebrity, and most western animated movies from 2019 onwards didn't either probably thanks to its success.

3) Taiwan didn't use any celebrity for The Super Mario Bros. Movie yet it still a box office hit.

Judging from my posts and these details, is my edit a valid example or just complaining?

I think it's valid, but it needs to stand alone (referring to other examples is discouraged) and, for Tainted by the Preview, you want to emphasise how this impacted the film pre-release.

I take it the voice actors for the first film were different and believed to be better? If the trailers were the point it became clear that they'd been dropped and replaced with YouTubers etc., that's a good start for an example.

Thank you for clarifying! The dub cast change (and the rest of the celebrities) are announced on Sony's Facebook page (Taiwan division.) I saw some people upset about this deciaion, and some of them decided to watch the subbed version instead. I also edit my post on there according to your suggestion.

Edited by Bruce2020 on Jun 4th 2023 at 8:03:05 AM

I found this YMMV.Avatar The Way Of Water:

• Tough Act to Follow: Due to its groundbreaking underwater motion capture, any live-action film with underwater effects moving forward is inevitably going to be compared to this one. Many of the people who complain about the CGI in The Little Mermaid (2023) made comparisons to Avatar 2 as soon as the first teaser dropped.

Isn't this trope about sequels or Creator follow ups, not two unrelated films?

Edited by Bullman on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:28:27 PM

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You are correct. That's misuse.

Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.

Oh god, Anti-Frustration Features misuse reached its apex. Someone put Saving the game as an example.

The Legend of Zelda

• The battery-backed save feature on the original NES cartridge can be seen as an anti-frustration feature due to being released at a time when saving your progress to continue later was practically unheard of. Had this feature not been present, this game would have been made much more frustrating to complete due to the sheer length compared to most other games of the time.

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Well, it does make a good case, namely that when the game came out, most games were only meant to be played in one sitting.

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But it isnt an in-game rule that gets broken for the benefit of the player. The trope isnt just any sort of convenient mechanic for the player.

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This is a rare time I’m inclined to say that’s valid purely because, as the example points out, saving the game didn’t really exist at the time - it really was a massive breath of fresh air and relief from the technical restrictions faced by other games

Ok I love you two and I know you know the trope better than I do so I guess it can stay then.

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I have to agree with WJ and STAR here.

EDIT: Ninja'd, sorry! T_T

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Jun 4th 2023 at 10:17:42 AM

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I know I already admitted defeat but I thank you because now I know they are indeed correct.

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I found this on YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic S 12 E 33:

• Misaimed Fandom: The most common accusations towards this review were that people felt like Doug Walker was missing the point entirely with the movie depicting Roger Waters's life, he was intentionally insulting Waters, and he made a mockery of the movie itself and didn't like it. According to Doug Walker when he was interviewed on Double Toasted Interviews it was that he wanted his review to be experimental just like the movie itself was. He explained that his idea for the review was to be comparing from the perspective of how he saw the film as a young man and the perspective of watching it again as a cynical adult, and he openly admitted that people not getting what his intentions were with the review was his fault since he basically pulled a Gambit Roulette on the review and didn't really do a good job with getting his point across. And he also stated that he does like the movie.

Does this really count as it sounds more like hatedom than fandom?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

Misaimed Fandom also includes hatedom — there's a Misaimed Hatedom redirect, and fans of a work hating a particular misinterpreted aspect of the work is still an example.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

That sounds an awful lot like it could be describing a Parody Retcon.

Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.

Permafusion just launched and already we have questions. From the description:

But then in the example list,

• Miraculous Ladybug:
  • This is the way the Miraculous Wielders transform: by saying a specific transformation phrase, they merge with their respective Kwami in order to turn into the corresponding Animal-Themed Superbeing. In their case, the durability of the fusion depends on the age of the fusees; if the wielders are teenagers, they can theoretically stay forever until they use their powers, at which point they have a time limit before detransforming. Adult users, however, don't have to worry about the energy issue, so they can stay transformed for as long as they want until they eventually become exhausted and are forcibly powered down.
  • Season 3 also reveals that akumatized villains can also result in fusions, provided that multiple people were holding the akumatized object when it happened, like Oblivio and Heart Hunter. In their case, they can stay fused forever until they either are purified by Ladybug, or Hawk Moth cancels their deal and recalls the Akuma back to his side.

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While both of these are in theory permanent, neither of them seem to fit the in practice permanence or near-permanence the trope seems to be about; the only time we can think of anyone in Miraculous having remained transformed for longer than an episode's single conflict in a session isn't even in this example text.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

I agree with you. Cut both.

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