Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
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- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
(crossposted from the "is this an example" thread)
found this example on Orphaned Etymology under real life:
- As noted in the Reality Is Unrealistic page, some people like to claim that things set in the Soviet era where the characters exclaim "My God!" or the like are an example of this trope since a common stereotype for the Soviet Union is complete atheism. Even ignoring the fact that such terms would still linger as holdovers for a long time to come (and the fact that atheists are perfectly capable of using religious swears, even if they don't believe in them), there's also the fact that the USSR never became completely irreligious. Despite attempts at its inception to enforce atheism, the sheer cultural and political influence of the Russian Orthodox Church, in general, made it impossible to ever completely implement. Then Stalin reduced the anti-religious regulation to get the Russian Orthodox Church on his side in World War II. And though Khrushchev tried to re-implement said regulations, from the Brezhnev era onward they were again relaxed. A 1964 kids cartoon taking place in Soviet times has an old lady blessing the protagonist with a cross sign, and no one seems to have had any problems with it.
- Also, words can sometimes change their meaning over time, but remain unchanged in their form, appearing absurd and anachronistic in old texts. "Paging" was once the act of sending a page to fetch someone in a crowded room, for example, centuries before the invention of the internet. In post-feudal eras, the term 'paging' continued to be used to call for someone who may or may not be present in a room. The same use of the term to summon someone over an intercom has lasted from before pagers were invented to long after they've become obsolete.
correct me if im wrong, but this is a long, rambly non-example, right? you can't have Orphaned Etymology in the real world. someone not wanting you to use certain words doesn't mean those words have lost their history.
can we add Orphaned Etymology to the crowner under "impossible in real life"?
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The Soviet/"my god" example seems more general than RL.
Agreed, it’s rambly. It’s a wall of text with bad use of indentation.
Unkempt Beauty shouldn't have a real life section. It's just people tropers find attractive.
The Draftsman of Doom
To whit:
- Truth in Television: Sometimes tabloids print photos of celebrities caught without makeup. The point of this is obvious; as pointed out in the header, the fashion industry wants us to think we all look like trolls without their products. A while back, a paparazzi caught a snapshot of Maggie Gyllenhaal coming home from some awards show. Apparently, even tired, disheveled, and (possibly) hungover, she's freaking gorgeous◊. She's most definitely wearing makeup, though, and neither her hair nor her clothes are below average for any woman in public.
I mean, that does seem a little gushy in addition to the tabloid bashing.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 13th 2021 at 10:56:22 AM
Rawr.
Redmess
I don't mind the general example as long as it isn't bashing.
Optimism is a duty.
Except that Examples Are Not General. See How to Write an Example, which is subtitled "aka: Examples Are Not General."
Agreed that the Real Life folder looks like tropers gushing about people they find attractive otherwise. I'm fine with putting a crowner to this to prevent misuse.
Edited by BoltDMC on Oct 13th 2021 at 1:36:08 AM
Lucas the Dreamer
Person of Mass Destruction has a Real Life page even the trope is clearly impossible in real life. Add the crowner?
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
I support the idea. Go for it.
Cheated Death, Died Anyway is on NoRealLife.Too Common because "Everyone dies eventually.", but the trope doesn't usually cover individuals who die natural deaths. Is this really too common and was there a discussion on it?
The actual reason it was proposed (back at the beggining of January)was :
The reasoning that you are questioning was added in August by The Living Drawing, with no input from the thread.
Lucas the Dreamer
I thought adding reasons to that page didn’t require discussion beforehand.
The point was that the reason listed on the page was your personal interpretation, not the reasoning that was applied for the actual decision.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm a bit late in saying this, but I agree with moving Sandbox.Keep Real Life Examples to Administrivia. What was previously said about it not being a temporary project is why Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS and Administrivia.Trope Idea Salvage Yard are no longer sandboxes.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 15th 2021 at 4:31:07 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
It's been almost 5 days, so I've added the crowner for Conspicuous Consumption. Thanks.
The trope Cat Like Dragons has a Real Life folder with a single shoehorned trivia example. It definitely needs to go — the only question is whether it being a shoehorned example is enough cause to delete it, or whether it should formally undergo a crowner.
I'll cut that example. Unless more pops up, we can probably skip NRLE Ping the page.
In any case, time to close some votes :
Blue-and-Orange Morality (23-4) NRLEP
Can't Hold His Liquor (11-5) NRLEP
Who Wants to Live Forever? (24-2) NRLEP. If someone wants to follow up on the suggestion to turn some of the RL stuff into an Analysis page go ahead, but I have no interest in doing it.
Currently pending :
Dirty Coward - 3 days to go
Person of Mass Destruction - 5 days, needs votes.
Conspicuous Consumption - 6 days, needs votes.
Lucas the Dreamer
Cut and Tagged Can't Hold His Liquor. Should I contact a mod to cut and PRLEC Who Wants to Live Forever?. The analysis page already housed my suggestion. Edit: A mod was already on it. Can I add this caption to the Impossible in Real Life entry?
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 16th 2021 at 10:47:57 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
I have taken the previously discussed action of moving the content of Sandbox.Keep Real Life Examples to Administrivia.Keep Real Life Examples
While on the subject of dragons, there's a Real Life folder for Feathered Dragons with two shoehorned examples, one about a dinosaur and the other about a bird. Crowner, or just cut, as happened with Cat Like Dragons?
Logic Girl
What are the standards for "squicky content"? Like, is it just minor things like changing a cat's litter box, or serious things like incest?
For every low there is a high.
CG for short
Probably more serious things.
I generally favor "just cut" if a trope has a small number of shoehorned Real Life examples. NRLEP should be reserved for cases of widespread RL misuse.
Lucas the Dreamer
Does Cloud Cuckoo Lander count under Gossip and Stereotypes?
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
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Maybe it's about how the entry is phrased. It's not "This is Ian's biggest problem with Leafy" but "This is how Ian sees Leafy, and Ian's biggest problem with him"?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.