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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 29th Nov '16 9:27:01 AM by Madrugada

lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Apr 21st 2012 at 1:03:17 PM

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 29th Nov '16 9:27:01 AM by Madrugada

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 21st 2012 at 1:04:04 PM

[up]Conversation In The Main Page is already dealt with in the NATTER ALERT thread, but the rest is OK here.

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 21st 2012 at 1:40:30 PM

I brought these up in Ask The Tropers, but Ambiguously Jewish and Ambiguously Gay. Not too squicky aside from the loaded word "suspected" in a few spots, but they're objective tropes of which "author dropping subtle hints" is an intrinsic element, and that doesn't happen in real life.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Apr 21st 2012 at 2:07:51 PM

I vote the kill Real Life examples on Ambiguously Gay. TV Tropes is not a gossip column and it is not our place to speculate about the sexuality of Real Life people.

Apr 21st 2012 at 3:42:51 PM

We Will Have Euthanasia in the Future shouldn't have real life examples if you ask me. It's quite the controversial topic and talks about the future, not about the current situation.

DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Apr 22nd 2012 at 2:53:40 AM

Agree with [up] and [up][up].

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Raso Cure Candy
Cure Candy
Apr 22nd 2012 at 2:55:05 AM

Insufferable Genius.... calling a real person insufferable is really too much.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Telcontar In uffish thought from England
In uffish thought
Apr 22nd 2012 at 3:13:56 AM

[up] Agreed. That section also has really bad indentation and some natter problems.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Apr 22nd 2012 at 11:09:29 AM

I agree with cutting all the real life sections of the pages mentioned so far. The Ambiguously X tropes and We Will Have Euthanasia in the Future by definition can't appear in real life (as mentioned by others earlier), and Insufferable Genius is rather negative.

Apr 22nd 2012 at 11:31:25 AM

So how do we come to an official decision on this tread? Mass crowner? Or wait for a mod to come along and make an official declaration?

Telcontar In uffish thought from England
In uffish thought
Apr 22nd 2012 at 11:50:35 AM

Probably a crowner like on the YMMV tropes thread and the the Trivia tropes thread, but either get a mod to call it or have a ratio bar when we can call it, though that may well need to be higher than the one on the Trivia crowner.

[down] I know, but "calling" is the term used in both threads I linked above, so...

edited 22nd Apr '12 11:58:08 AM by Telcontar

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 22nd 2012 at 11:52:39 AM

[up]These crowners have to be called by individual tropers, by striking out the items that have consensus. No way regular closure can be done here, since we would need a crowner for each item under discussion [/didactic]

edited 22nd Apr '12 11:53:18 AM by SeptimusHeap

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Apr 22nd 2012 at 2:06:30 PM

Starting the crowner. If it gets too unwieldy, we can limit the size to, say, 10 or 15 pages and make new crowners as we go.

edited 22nd Apr '12 2:06:44 PM by Willbyr

Resize || IP Morgue || My dA page
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 22nd 2012 at 2:08:03 PM

[up][up][up]You only need a moderator to close a crowner, but it usually happens along with calling.

These crowners can't be called by moderators, since they vote on many things at once and you can't close just one item.

CompletelyNormalGuy Definitely not a weirdo from The Other Rainforest
Definitely not a weirdo
Apr 22nd 2012 at 6:58:06 PM

I'm adding Sissy Villain to the list. It's got problems beyond the whole we don't like to call real people villains thing.

No noodles here. Just bad movies. Join us.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Apr 23rd 2012 at 12:41:00 AM

As a general rule of thumb, I'd like to suggest:

Characterization Tropes

Future Tropes (what with not happening and all)

Morality Tropes

edited 23rd Apr '12 12:41:13 AM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:41:24 AM

I don't like the idea of adding indices wholesale, but I agree that the Characterization Tropes probably need to be handled carefully in real life. They're particularly prone to the "objective in fiction, subjective in reality" issue, and/or are PSOC in real life.

edited 23rd Apr '12 8:42:23 AM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:46:42 AM

No, please don't add whole indices in the crowner. It will just get messy.

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 23rd 2012 at 8:48:48 AM

Given that such continuous crowners like the YMMV and Trivia one work by a consensus + 10 votes rule, can we apply it here and cut sections according to this rule?

Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Apr 23rd 2012 at 9:15:26 AM

Wait, is this crowner just for removing real life examples, or is it for removing real life examples and applying No Real Life Examples Please?

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 23rd 2012 at 9:16:39 AM

[up]I think for the latter. Real Life examples usually go as soon as they become a problem. No Real Life Examples Please is what this crowner is for.

Michael So that's what this does Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
Apr 23rd 2012 at 4:24:33 PM

I've added I Resemble That Remark! because it looks like it's asking for trouble.

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 23rd 2012 at 4:37:05 PM

Can I Resemble That Remark! be cleaned and kept?

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
CompletelyNormalGuy Definitely not a weirdo from The Other Rainforest
Definitely not a weirdo
Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:07:01 PM

[up]Unlike some of the others here, that one is pretty objective, but, that being said, it seems to attract examples that can be controversial. My advice is that if you want it cleaned and kept, go ahead and clean it now, then watchlist it, so that you can keep it clean. If you can keep it from becoming a problem again, then I see no reason not to keep it.

No noodles here. Just bad movies. Join us.
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 23rd 2012 at 5:55:04 PM

I never said I was volunteeringtongue

But yeah, I'll clean it, and then give it a couple of days. If it can't be cleaned/kept clean, I'll come back here and say so.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

Page Action: Real Life Section Maintenance 54
4th Feb '18 11:35:26 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated. Please discuss pages before adding them to the crowner. Entries made without discussion are subject to deletion.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, meeting the following requirements:
  • They have ten or more total votes,
  • have been on the crowner for at least 48 hours, measured from when the addition of the new crowner entry is announced in a thread post,
  • and are stable with at least a 2:1 vote ratio.

No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.

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