This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
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We should just go with the trope's main title for clarity's sake. I don't think this is a trope where an acronym would be needed.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 6th 2022 at 7:01:52 AM
Macron's notes
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The only reason I thought it needed an acronym at the time was because of a misunderstanding about the character limit of trope names. Even when that confusion was cleared up, people went with the initialism for some reason. Yes, migrate to the full trope name.
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Is Wiki/ (less than 50 pages) redundant to Website/?
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Probably, I also don't think most wikis are tropeworthy anyway.
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Agreed. I can only think of TF Wiki Dot Net—other wikis don't seem that tropable (and could invite troping the wiki users rather than the wiki itself.)
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And of course The Other Wiki itself.
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Agreed. Way too small and unbuilt to warrant a split.
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Should this get own thread? I don't mind moving pages from Wiki/ to Website/ and cutting tropeless pages if the decision comes to it.
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It would have to go through a crowner, so might as well give it its own thread.
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Which is the proper namespace for After Action Reports?
Currently, the items on the index are spread pretty evenly between three namespaces:
- Literature/ (for example Against All Odds, Holding Out for a Hero: Gustav Stresemann Survives)
- Fanfic/ (for example Before Plantagenet, Dragon Kin)
- LetsPlay/ (for example The Hohenzollern Empire, Knud Knýtling, Prince of Denmark)
There are also two in Webcomic/ (Osterreich Uber Alles and Rumors of War), though I think this is justified as they are in webcomic format.
The others however are forum threads (or even single posts), blogs, or hosted on private websites or fanfic archives, and consist mostly of text (though some have pictures).
The background is that there's a title collision of an After Action Report with another work, and I want to make sure the AAR is in the right namespace before I disambiguate.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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I'd put them in Fanfic/, personally
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the Retromancer
LetsPlay/ is deprecated anyway.
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It depends whether they are based on an existing work. If they are, they go in Fanfic/. Otherwise, Literature/.
As I understand it, After Action Reports are stories that players of strategy video games write around games they played. As in, they're narratively embellished accounts of played game sessions.
I'm honestly not sure if that makes them Fan Fiction or original Literature.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Tabletop campaigns get put under Fan Works pages (e.g. Critical Role is indexed on FanWorks.Dungeons And Dragons), so I think Fanfic/.
Plus, fanfics can have only tenuous connections to the source material. See Transplanted Character Fic:
To talk about a concrete case—is it okay if I move Literature.Ynglinga Saga to Fanfic.Ynglinga Saga?
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Yeah, that's a fanfic.
One might make an argument that a work which started as an AAR of some game, but later got rewritten to be its own work of alternate-history fic or whatever with no connections to the source material, could be considered original literature and placed in Literature/. The Fifty Shades of Grey route and so forth. (That's how we initially interpreted the description of Against All Odds, though on a reread it doesn't actually say that happened.)
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Do works like Fanfic.Suikakasen and Fanfic.Osana Reimu belong in the Fanfic/ namespace. They are based on a existing property but Web Animation/ seems to be a better fit but I am not sure
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 1st 2022 at 6:30:24 AM
Macron's notes
Thanks for all the input on After Action Reports. I think my questions are answered.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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I don't quite get what namespace Korean Webtoons belong to, I see works in Manhwa/, Webcomics/, Literature/ and even LightNovel/.
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I thought Korean webtoons were always webcomic? I think if the work isn't a webcomic, it should go elsewhere.
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:08:58 AM
Macron's notes
Yeah, they're webcomics in a long vertical strip format. Some are adaptations of literary works, which is probably why some are in literature namespaces.
Edited by Twiddler on Aug 2nd 2022 at 4:02:22 AM
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I was going to move Manga.A Day In The Life to it's proper title (per the website) Fire Emblem Heroes: A Day in the Life, but before I do, should it also be moved to the Webcomic/ namespace, since it's published online?
The Getting Crap Past the Radar cleanup thread initially decided
(discussion continues onto the next page) that the namespace for Demographically Inappropriate Humour should be shortened to DIH since the full trope name is long and contains a word with different Commonwealth/American spellings. But then someone posted on Ask The Tropers not knowing what DIH.The Amazing World Of Gumball was, which reignited debate. Currently, only the Gumball and SpongeBob subpages use the namespace DIH/ while the rest use the full trope name. We need to pick a namespace and be consistent.
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