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  • So does Dedede actually rule over anywhere?
    • In Brawl, Roy Campbell actually points out, "He's the ruler of Dream Land, or so he says".
    • I think that he's rich enough to own a castle on Popstar, and hire some creatures as a personal army, but his reign is really all in his head.
      • Like the King Of Town?
      • Kind of, except Kirby's the one known for non-stop eating.
      • His in-game description in Kirby's Air Ride also mentions, "Is he really a king?".
      • No, Dedede's a worse glutton than Kirby. Remember, the plot of the very first Kirby game was Dedede stealing all the food on the entire planet as "taxes" so he could have a ginormous picnic. He pretty much is the King of Town.
    • Considering the original Dreamland plot involved King Dedede stealing all the food, I doubt he rules over anything but his own castle. In the anime, he does rule over the town, but it doesn't seem to be a legitimate rule. More like "obey me, or else". Which makes Kirby's presence all the more inconvenient for him.
    • Maybe whether or not Dedede is a king is for you to decide, kind of like a Noodle Incident.
    • I personally believe that King Dedede commands the loyalty of his Waddle Dee army by giving them food, and all his other kingly flairs come naturally from this - they helped build his castle, spread his "rule" throughout the land by sheer numbers, etc. etc. - But it's pretty clear that he's not Dream Land's king in any sense of the word, as his Melee trophy outright states that he performs no administrative duties whatsoever. The peaceful Dream Land probably has no need for a ruler and its citizens just oblige Dedede's delusion to keep on his good side.
      • Exposition for the anime does indeed state that Waddle Dees settle down where someone gives them food. Now all I'm wondering is how Dedede was convinced to give up so much food to what was probably at the time just a wandering flock of critters.
      • It was that clever Escargoon, and his friend, Waddle Doo.
      • In one episode, it was stated that the Cappies (the things with the mushroom hats) had control over Dream Land's government for centuries, much to Dedede's annoyance. In order to prove he was really a king, Dedede went so far as to plant false archeological evidence that his ancestors were kings!
      • I think in the anime his power mostly comes from his independent wealth, and the backing of Holy Nightmare Corporation, who probably use this model to influence thousands of worlds.
    • Perhaps he was a king of a sort at some point, but over time his edicts became idiotic enough that everyone stopped listening to him and never bothered to tell him. It was the quietest revolution in history.
    • Like a lot of real monarchs, he's just expected to be there in an official capacity - no-one takes all his rules to heart. So he rules Dream Land, but people still act pretty freely. It should be worth mentioning at some point that the Waddle Dees apparently want him as king - in the ending cutscene of 'Revenge of the King' (Kirby Super Star Ultra), he's walking down a dusty track with nothing, but Waddle Dees slowly join him until he has a full royal train and entourage.
    • Dream Land (and Pop Star in general) is such a laid back place that they don't really need a king. De De De probably just decided to call himself one, and nobody cared enough to contradict him. As long as they still get to lounge around and eat, who cares?
  • How Kirby has no qualms over killing dozens of creatures, be they evil or not, over a piece of cake.
    • It was his favorite flavor.
    • The Squeaks should have known to never fuck with Kirby when it involves food.
      • This is KIRBY we're talking about! They don't die. They turn into magical stars and go to another dimension with lots of candy.
      • I've always thought they'd get pooped out fully alive at the end of the game. Or resurrected like the Mario series.
      • Well, Kirby does take place within a Kirby within a Kirby within a Kirby within a Kirby within a Kirby within a Kirby...
    • He could always go get another slice of cake, true, but if he hunted down his original cake first, he would then have TWO cakes.
    • I don't think enemies in the Kirby games die. I mean, if you go right for 5 meters and then return, the same enemy is still there, all healthy.
  • Why were Kirby's eyebrows Photoshopped into ANGRY KIRBY~ for every North American release between Kirby Tilt 'n Tumble and Super Star Ultra? He's supposed to be cute, not bitter.
  • Possibly just reading too much into reading too much, but... can't we simply count JBM about Kirby as simply "dream logic"? It's Dreamland, after all!
    • Dreamland is where the dreams come from, it is not a dream itself. It does explain where all the final bosses come from though, and why the dream fountain was turned off in the second game.
  • What's with all the Eldritch Abominations also known as final bosses? Zero Two and Dark Matter were probably the most creepy ones, with Drawcia being a close second.
    • I know, isn't it awesome?... As a more serious answer, doesn't it make sense that the Big Bads of Dream Land represent nightmares and all that is evil?
    • My theory is that the reason Dreamland is such a Sugar Bowl is because all of its evil is actually concentrated into the various incarnations of Dark Matter/Zero or whomever else takes the final boss spot.
    • It's Dreamland, people. Surely the place is made out of dreams when you go to sleep. When a villain goes to try to take over, wouldn't it make more sense that they would look like something from out of your nightmares?
  • Why does Popstar look yellow from space when neither the ground, sky, or sea looks the least bit yellow-ish? Sure, there are a few places that are yellowish, but Popstar should be at least a little green. Earth looks blue, green, and brown from space because those are the colors of the ocean, plants, and ground respectively. What's Popstar's excuse?
    • A thick and reflective atmosphere, maybe? It could work in reverse to why we see the sky blue, when space is actually pitch black (as seen on the Moon).
      • That might work, but you'd also have to explain why the sky looks blue from the ground.
  • Zero. A boss that cries Tears of Blood whenever hit in the eye in Kirby 64. Even worse, in his original appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3, it actually cuts itself to shoot blood as a projectile weapon and when out of HP, its bloody iris pops out of its eye in a last-ditch attempt to take you down. How the hell did those scenes not only still get the games an E and K-A rating respectively, but also get by Nintendo of America's Bowdlerization practices back in the day?
    • Clearly the censors couldn't bring themselves to 100% the game and get to said secret bosses.
    • Or Kirby games are just automatically rated "E."
    • To the above, tell that to Kirby's Dream Collection, which finally got E10+ thanks to Zero/02.
    • The "E 10+" rating didn't exist yet, and they sure weren't going to give it a "T."
  • Kirby's copy ability was added because it made the game harder? Huh? I find that his original lack of the ability was harder.
    • Source Please?
    • Not harder, to give hardcore gamers something to experiment with, since they would not be too challenged by simply getting from point A to point B.
  • So... are those red things Kirby's feet, or are they cute little booties?
    • Presumably they're his feet.
  • Are Mr. Shine and Mr. Bright actually the sun and moon? If that's true, than that means Kirby has killed the sun and moon, TWICE.
    • It doesn't appear to be that way. In Milky Way Wishes, the plot is that the sun and moon are fighting, but they don't seem to be Shine and Bright. It's much like The Angry Sun.
  • A mystery that's been present in most of the games... Why does Meta Knight wear that mask? To be grimdark? To say, 'Screw you Eldritch Abominations, I can be even more badass than you!'?
    • That's exactly why.
    • Maybe he doesn't want anyone to know how adorable he is.
      • Maybe he's secretly ashamed somehow. That's dark.
    • For protection. Why does anyone wear armor?
    • To protect his identity. He doesn't want everyone knowing his name if he's going to play Well-Intentioned Extremist.
    • I've always figured that because he's all about being noble and strong and proud, he feels that his round, cutesy appearance takes away from his dignified character, that's all.
  • So, Daroach's Japanese name is "Dorotche," and Kirby Wiki theorizes that it's a portmanteau of the Japanese word "dorobō" (thief) and the Italian word "feroce" (fierce.) That's all well and good, but how did the English localization team go from that name to a name containing "roach" for a mouse? Did they just think it sounded like "da roach" ("the roach" in a New York accent, perhaps) and decide that "roach" was a fitting description for a sneaky thief?
  • In Kirby's Dreamland 3, the huge Dark Matter that Zero used to invade Pop Star broke the rings that circled it. After Zero is defeated, three rays of light (red, blue, and green) become the new rings for Pop Star. We've never seen these three rings ever again. Kirby 64 is supposed to happen after Kirby's Dreamland 3, but in 64 the rings are back to two. What happened to the three rings? It was forgotten? They just didn't care?
    • This troper assumed that the rays fused together to become two rings again, and slowly reassumed their former position. Now that just raises a question on how they became blue again.
  • Are Meta Knight's wings a part of his body or his transformed cape? Most games seem to support the latter, but in Kirby's Return to Dream Land, he clearly takes his cape off and casts it aside to reveal his wings.
    • Perhaps he was cold that day, and it was an extra cape on top of his wing cape?
    • Meta Knight's wings sprout from his back (from the looks of it) when he chases you at the end of Revenge of Meta Knight, and he doesn't wear a cape in Meta Knightmare Ultra, so my guess is his wings are a part of his body and are retractable.
      • Though they are repeatedly referred to as his transformed cape in Brawl and Melee, as well as on the Smash Bros Dojo.
      • And then in Return to Dreamland, the opening cutscene shows Meta tossing his cape aside, and revealing the wings underneath. The cape can even be seen on the floor afterward. Flip-Flop of God?
      • Multiple gods, the wings were his transformed cape in the games made by series creator Mashiro Sakurai, but the majority of the Kirby titles actually have no involvement from him since he got tired of Hal's meddling sequelitis.
  • Is the main Waddle Dee Return to Dreamland the same one who recurred in Superstar Ultra? And are either of them the same as the one who helped out in Crystal Shards?
    • Yes, as for the second question while it is popular fanon nothing has been confirmed yet.
  • Where the hell was Meta Knight during the Dark Matter trilogy?!
    • This may be inaccurate, but it may have been said that the trilogy was developed by a different team, which is why certain things kept coming back, and they probably didn't want to bring in too much into Dreamland 3 and 64 that wasn't already in 2. And mind you, Meta Knight was still just a one-off boss from Adventure during Dreamland 2.
    • But he gained a more important role in the Kirby series, courtesy of Kirby Super Star. That makes his absence from KDL3 & Kirby 64 all the more confusing.
    • He was fixing the Halberd at the bottom of the Secret Sea.
  • Why does Kirby die when he falls into bottomless pits? He can fly!
    • Remember that in some games, Kirby gets tired when he flies for too long. So probably he gets to tired to go up back to safety.
      • But that does not explain the games that Kirby can fly for unlimited time or when Kirby or when Kirby only barely go's off screen while flying.
      • Maybe bottomless pits and the like are something akin to Kirby's stomach - they're like giant black holes with gravitational pulls so strong that it's impossible to escape them once you get past a certain point.
      • The only times this troper has ever fallen into a bottomless pit is when I use a move that moves me downwards( like stones main move) and I don't get out of the move in time.
  • Why are there energy spheres in the last two worlds of Return to Dreamland? The energy cores were parts of the ship! That fell off in Dreamland! Because the ship crashed in Dreamland!
    • The opening shows the ship coming out of a wormhole while losing parts; it's more than possible that some of the cores fell out on the other side before it went through.
  • In this video for Kirby's Dream Collection, why didn't Kirby become fire Kirby from the candles?
    • Kirby copies powers and abilities, not random bits of the environment. Maybe if there was a boss who specialized in throwing candles at him, he would turn into Fire Kirby, but one just sitting there would not do anything.
    • He doesn't swallow the cake. Swallowing is needed for him to gain copy abilities.
  • Waddle Dees are said to be peaceful creatures. Why are they enemies if that's the case?
    • They only hurt Kirby by bumping into him, which doesn't seem to be intentional.
      • That doesn't explain why Bandana Dee is willing to kill waddle dees, including ones that are just having fun at the beach swinging on ropes, or ones in the clouds JUST SITTING IN ONE PLACE AND LOOKING UP AT THE SKY in wonder.
      • Because Bandana Dee doesn't kill anything unless you, as the player, tell him to. He's not canonically a sociopath for things he only does while under player control. Besides, death is pretty cheap for regular enemies in this series — no matter what happens to them, they'll always respawn good as new once they're offscreen. And some Waddle Dees do attack Kirby, for what it's worth.
  • Why does Kirby always fall face first from a high height?
    • Probably to look hardcore. Also, it might just be him getting into a position to headbutt enemies. If he falls on an enemy before facing down, he takes damage.
    • On the contrary, to have a slapstick comedy bump in cutscenes.
  • Dynablade is implied to be a mythological deity in the Kirby universe, like a Kirby alternate to The Phoenix. Is implied to even be immortal. The anime goes further and confirms that there is only one Dynablade and it has come and gone for thousands of years. So what becomes of it's chicks? If they don't grow up into other Dynablades what do they become?
    • I think it's like Mothra and the dynachicks are for when the mother dies from natural or not causes. Maybe the dreamlanders just think there has been only one?
  • I've been playing Kirby games for many years now, and I'm still wondering what types of characters Meta Knight and King Dedede are supposed to be seen as. In the trailer for my first game, Kirby: Air Ride, Meta Knight was sort of made to look like a villain, but in more recent games like Return to Dreamland and Planet Robobot, he and King Dedede seem pretty neutral, if not helpful to Kirby's cause, and in Epic Yarn, Kirby only fought them while they were being controlled by Yin-Yarn. Could anyone help me out here, just explain what their personalities are?
    • Short, lazy answer: they're whatever the current game wanted them to be.
    • Long answer: Dedede is greedy and friendly rivals with Kirby, and if he's not causing problems himself (which is rare), he'll try fighting back the potential bad guy. Kirby sometimes views him with suspicion but he otherwise has no ill will towards Dedede, even helping him if he's in distress. Meta Knight is enigmatic and serious, but generally good; at worst he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist. Sometimes seen a Kirby's big brother figure. Kirby himself show some respect for him when he's not being forced to fight Meta Knight when he's being "bad".
  • Is the Waddle Dee character who appeared in Kirby 64 the same Banadana Waddle Dee from Return to Dream Land, Planet Robobot and so forth? Kirby already seems to be somewhat friendly with him even before his Defeat Means Friendship moment.
    • It's popular Fanon, but there's nothing official.
  • Just how much speech can Kirby understand? Whenever he is being spoken to by a villain in a cutscene, he stares back at them with a blank look on his face, as if he's thinking "What's this person's problem?" and starts fighting when either the villain or someone else attack him. His vocabulary seems to be limited to "Hi!" and in Planet Robobot, Susie mumbles to herself that Kirby can't understand her. But at the same time, he seemed mad when she referred to him as an obstacle earlier and did go on a quest to summon Nova when Marx told him to in Kirby Super Star, so I guess he can understand but doesn't care to communicate back?
    • Susie's comments on Kirby's intelligence aren't meant to be taken as completely accurate - a lot of her character revolves around underestimating Kirby due to seeing him as an uncultured native, and the only time Kirby actually appears confused by her dialogue is when she says he "doesn't understand what it's like to work in a perfectly controlled environment," which wouldn't paint him as unintelligent on its own. I think of him as having the mindset of a little toddler or thereabouts, where he can form very basic words, and can tell from the way someone speaks to him whether they're friend or foe, but doesn't really understand anything more complicated than that.
  • So what's the deal with Parallel Susie and Parallel Landia? As of Star Allies, the Parallel title seems to mean a link to Another Dimension in some way, with the ones in Star Allies being clones recently made from Jamba Heart fragments, but Susie and Landia don't have any link to the Jamba Heart at all and seem to have their own unique histories and lives. In fact, Parallel Susie seems to be closer to a Mirror World counterpart, especially considering the mech she uses has D-Mind emblems all over it and the prevalence of the Mirror World in her debut game.
    • “Parallel” could easily refer to just denizens of Another Dimension. P. Susie, P. Landia, and P. Nightmare could just be creations of Another Dimension unrelated to the Jamba Heart.
  • Wait, does Meta Knight actually have two golden swords? At the end of Amazing Mirror he leaves his sword behind for future heroes to protect the Mirror World before he leaves, but where does he get the second sword from (i.e. the sword he has in every game after Amazing Mirror)? Either he quickly took his sword back during the events of Squeak Squad and kept it from then on or he had another one on him.
    • In Forgotten Land's colosseum fight against him, if you knock Galaxia from his hands and steal it to use yourself, he'll fly away and return using a simple golden sword much like the one he wielded back in Adventure's day. (If you knock THAT one away, he'll go get another) So he likely has several swords, anyway.

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