History Headscratchers / Kirby

* Was Meta Knight under the influence of Dark Matter during the ''Revenge of Meta Knight'' storyline in Kirby Super Star or is he just actually evil?
** I think it was more of a Main/WellIntentionedExtremist type of thing; he figured that Dream Land would be better off with him in charge. I mean, look at their current leader.
*** It was never stated anywhere that Dedede rules Dreamland or that he has any sort of political power. Going by his description on Smash Bros.com, his "rule" is probably all in his head. That, or no one takes his rule seriously.
*** I'm definitely in the WellIntentionedExtremist bucket. MK simply wanted Dream Land to stop being so damn lazy and figured an attack would shock them into action. Of course, all it did was bring the wrath of Kirby upon him. So at least MK found '''one''' person willing to fight.
** He's just TheCynic.
** Considering that the rest of Meta Knight's actions in the series have good intentions (most of them keeping the SealedEvilInACan in check which includes Kirby's Adventure and his attempt that back fired in Amazing Mirror), I'd strongly rule out Meta Knight being evil.
*** This troper thinks that Meta Knight is the only one that takes seriously the threat posed by all the nightmarish things that lurk in the setting, and he is desperately trying to rouse the SugarBowl inhabitants into doing something about it, hence his decision to hide his SugarBowl appearance behind a darker and grittier mask.
** This troper (mariic) points out that in the Japanese version, he mentions something about corruption, which probably means that he's trying to stop Dedede from making another boneheaded mistake (again, for like the 1,000,000th time).
** I like to think of it as Meta Knight having staged his takeover to make sure Kirby would be ready to face future challenges. It was another test, which is why he again offered Kirby a sword (a thing he didn't do in Mouse Attack when he fought him seriously). Kirby just turned out to be too potent, completely destroying the Halberd in the process.
** Given this was only his, what, second? Third appearance? Maybe its just some Early Installment Weirdness.
** The title is 'revenge' and he is attacking Dreamland, not Kirby. Kirby is just happened to be in the way. My guess it is actually Dedede he had a problem with. The two must be acquinted before since Dedede trusted him enough with a star rod. And despite all he is secretly helping Kirby (though it could be simply a test)

* Related to the above: In Kirby Squeak Squad, WHY THE HECK COULD HE NOT GO GET ANOTHER SLICE OF CAKE?! Surely it couldn't be the only slice of strawberry shortcake in the whole of Pop Star? Sheesh, Kirby!
** Well, have you ever seen another slice of strawberry shortcake as any health pickups in any of the other games?
** Clearly it must have been homemade. Nobody messes with Kirby's Homemade strawberry shortcake.
** Because if he let those mice get away, it would set a bad example. What next? People will start borrowing his cans of pop. Someone will make a sandwich with his bread. Things will continue on in this vein until someone makes spaghetti sauce with his Maxim Tomatoes. And woe for existence on that day, for Kirby will decide that any universe that steals his food is no longer worthy of existence, and consume it all. Dedede 12:17.
** Some people think it's because there was a famine in Dream Land during the events of Kirby Squeak Squad. So obviously, Kirby couldn't have gotten another piece of cake because ''there wasn't any cake left''.
** This trooper wouldn't be surprised if Kirby hasn't developed object permanence yet. (Or whatever it's called.) So he doesn't realize there are other slices of cake he can go after, as he thinks the one that was stolen is the only one there was. If he ever saw another slice somewhere, he might assume that it's the same as the original.
** He once experienced Dedede stealing food and quickly jumped into conclusion it is the same thing again, not only his food.

* In the Meta Knightmare section of KSSU, why does he blow up his own damn ship? Just because he wants to prove he's just as good as that goddamned marshmallow boy?
** Meta Knight is just that hardcore. And possibly GRIMDARK.
*** Alternately: Some former minions hijacked it, and he's getting payback.
** This troper believes you've just answered your own question.
*** Indeed, the whole reason Meta Knight did everything Kirby did was because he wanted to become strong, and what better way to do it than to imitate the actions of the one guy who's defeated him and countless others many times over? Even if he had to waste a whole recreation of The Halberd, it was worth it in his eyes.
** Maybe it's the counterpart of a training simulation. Probably magic in nature rather than technological, though.
* So... If Kirby has a bottomless stomach, why can he only hold 5 Bubbles/chests at a time in Squeak Squad?
** Things don't last forever in that big belly of his before it vanishes without a trace. He doesn't have too many spaces in his stomach that can store stuff.
** How much food can you fit into your mouth before you instinctively swallow it? I guess we know Kirby's limit now.
** Plus you saw the inside of his stomach, there are freaking STARS in there; maybe if it gets knocked away too far, it'll be lost in his stomach-verse forever, and he won't be able to reach it.
*** [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey Oh my god, he's full of stars!]]
** Kirby poops stars. You just can't see it with the low-resolution sprites.
*** Which begs the question of what Popstar REALLY is......
*** Not really. Our planet is covered in worm poop, so it looks brown and mushy when you look closely.

* Why is so little of the food in Gourmet Race actual gourmet food?
** To Kirby and Dedede, ''everything'' is gourmet.
*** Exactly what I was thinking.

* So in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, within the Mirror World or whatever it's called, how come Shadow Kirby wasn't evil like Shadow Meta Knight?
** Kirby's got a near-instinct to defeat {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Unfortunately, that translated into his clone.
** It's implied that the Mirror World isn't naturally evil. The real question is why Dark Meta Knight is so mean compared to Dream Land's Meta Knight. Possessed by Dark Mind? Chose a darker path because of natural variations between the parallel universes? Or was the one we fought just a creation of Dark Mind, and the real mirror Meta Knight was somewhere doing something else?
** Perhaps the Shadow characters are CharacterExaggeration forms of the normal ones? What do you see in a mirror?
*** That makes the most sense. Kirby tends to cause a few problems while trying to save the day, so Mirror Kirby does the same to you until the true villain is revealed. Meta-Knight has very Templar views on right and wrong, and his mirror self takes it over the edge into villany. And, in Triple Deluxe, [[spoiler: Queen Sectonia is turned evil because she used the Dimension Mirror as her own personal looking glass and it amplified her vanity, her most negative trait. (Heck, maybe she was outright replaced by Mirror Sectonia and nobody noticed.)]]
* In Kirby Squeak Squad, what was Daroach and his gang looking for, anyway? Were they really looking to unleash a SealedEvilInACan? Did they think something else was in it? Were they just going to sell it, but Daroach just had to take a look?
** They were looking for treasure. Them unleashing SealedEvilInACan was completely by accident.
** They're ''that'' stupid.

* What the H E double hockey sticks are Master Hand and Crazy Hand doing in Amazing Mirror? Shouldn't they be at Final Destination or something?
** Real answer, the hands were created by HAL, who also made Kirby, so they put them in a Kirby game for fun. In-universe answer: It's possible the Mirror World is their home dimension, much like how the Smash characters each come from somewhere.
* This troper has all but one question: Where the hell was Meta Knight during the Dark Matter trilogy?!

* If Galactic Knight were voiced, what would he sound like?

* In Kirby Super Star, why does the Halberd have a Main Cannon #2, but no Main Cannon #1?
** This troper believes it's either the 'big cannon' or the laser cannon.
** Lazy/Short answer: Either memory limitations and/or the second cannon fight would feel too much like the first.
** Long answer: The Halberd probably does have a Main Cannon #1. But there's no point in Kirby fighting Main Cannon #1 when Main Cannon #2 was the main threat and the thing that (at the time) stood between him and the interior of the Halberd. If Kirby had instead landed by Main Cannon #1, he most likely would've destroyed ''it'' rather than Main Cannon #2. Plus, Kirby's going it alone: What's the point of completely destroying the first line of defense if you're not expecting teammates/reinforcements to arrive later? Why waste that extra effort and time if all you need to do is get inside rather than open a path?

* In ''Super Star'', how ''did'' Marx get the sun and the moon to fight in the first place?
** Who says he did it? Maybe they started fighting without his influence. Its that kind of place.
*** Who says? Marx himself does, in the remake! "I did it! It all went according to plan! '''I got the sun and moon to fight.''' I got you to go into space... it was all according to my perfect little plan!".
* This is something that always bothered me: In Milky Way Wishes Kirby destroys the Galactic Nova as well as Marx. The problem is the Galactic Nova had no choice but to grant Marx's wish so isn't he basically innocent?
** If Nova was without an actual consciousness (''Planet Robobot'' implies that it's equivalent to a computer's AI), then it's no different than someone disarming a bomb before it detonates. Even if it was a fully conscious being that was forced to grant the wish, is that a good enough excuse to let it endanger the well-being of everyone on Popstar?

* In "Nightmare In Dreamland" we find out at the end that King Dedede [[GoodAllAlong didn't steal the rod of dreams from the fountain to be a jerk, but rather to protect it from the Nightmare once he showed up]]. That said, I have to wonder, why didn't he just tell the citizens of Dreamland "Hey, I found something really scary in the fountain so I'm gonna have to remove the rod of dreams to keep it safe for now" or something like that? [[PoorCommunicationKills then the whole thing could have been avoided]].
** Because he felt they wouldn't have believed him?
** Maybe he was hoping that no one would notice that the Star Rod was missing while he was possibly trying to find a solution to the problem on his own because he didn't want to worry anyone about how a horrible monster had arrived? Also, when you previously try to steal all of the food in your kingdom and aren't at the point yet where you've proven yourself to be a [[JerkWithAHeartofGold good person deep down]], it's reasonable to assume that people might not believe you when you say that you've destroyed a sacred artifact for the greater good and instead think you're being a {{Jerkass}} again.
** The impression I got from reading the manual for the original game was that Dedede was of the mindset that he's just smarter than the other Dream Landers and therefore knows what's best and doesn't need to consult with or answer to anyone else. He's mentioned as "nonchalantly" starting to explain what he did with the pieces, before Kirby disregards him as being back to his old habits and embarks on his new adventure without bothering to hear Dedede out.
** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let Dreamland '''STARVE''' just so he could have a giant picnic. Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, there's this {{Eldritch Abomination}} in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to make everyone stop dreaming until I can fix things" might not be the best idea. Telling people would probably be even worse for him when you consider the fact that he probably didn't know if the Dream Fountain was even fixable at all. It's easily possible that, as far as Dedede knew, it's likely that people will never dream again. So his options were essentially limited to either "tell everyone and let them still dream (due to no one believing him and stopping him from breaking the Rod), but also let them suffer from nightmares", or "don't tell anyone and indefinitely prevent everyone from dreaming, but ultimately protect them from the suffering Nightmare would otherwise spread and inflict". While I sincerely believe that he made the right choice and chose the {{Lesser of Two Evils}}, he still should have at least explained after he broke the Star Rod.

** He's just a GrumpyBear.

* This is something that's been in the back of this troper's head since they beat the game, what the hell happened to Hyness and the Jambastion Mages at the end of ''Star Allies''? We see them get spit out of [[spoiler:Void Termina]] and then they just disappear after that? Plus, the Jambastion Mages have their normal skin colors back, meaning that they aren't under Hyness' control and they all are flailing their arms, showing they are all still alive. Seeing as the last games show what happened to the villains, it's a little jarring.
** Kirby and friends rescues them in the Heroes in Another Dimension mode.

* In ''Planet Robobot'', what's with the lyrics of [[VillainSong The Noble Haltmann]]? The rhyming is good, but each line has too few syllables. Why?
** The lyrics to ''Galaxy Famous Haltmann'' probably work better?
** First Explanation: The song was written with Japanese lyrics in mind, thus no translation will be a perfect fit.
** Second Explanation: One syllable can extend over several notes.

* In ''Planet Robobot'',[[spoiler:how did Meta Knight unmechanize himself, especially considering the fact that his insides seem to have been replaced with a giant claw hand? https://vgy.me/czxseR]]
** The claw arm and mask were both destroyed after you defeated him for the final time, so all he would've needed was to remove the missile launchers from his wings and regain his old armor. It's also possible that Susie was unconscious for longer than the cutscenes implied, which would give Meta Knight enough time to get the Halberd up and running and fly back to the Access Ark to rendezvous with Kirby.
** Yes, but that would still leave a gaping hole in his back. And I'm fairly certain that the claw https://vgy.me/rlBfRd isn't going to fit in that tiny disc https://vgy.me/AahYWK, in fact I think that last image actually shows the gaping hole.
** My guess is that the wings/missile launcher combo was just a mechanical addition to his own wingset, hence why it all protruded from his back, with its circuitry being connected to his nerves (somehow) to allow him to control it. Having all of that disconnected so swiftly would probably lead to some injury back there, but Meta Knight's never struck me as the kind of person to let something so minor keep him from protecting the peace. And once Star Dream is destroyed, all of the mechanization it caused is undone anyway, which would remove any of the mechanical upgrades he might've failed to uninstall on his own.
** Well, almost. Some areas of Popstar still show hints of mechanization, even in Star Allies.
* Exactly how is Susie in ''Planet Robobot'' considered a villain? She only made attempts to kill Kirby while working for President Haltmann - [[AffablyEvil and even then, she was pretty polite to him]] - and WordOfGod is that the only reason she's working for Haltmann is because [[spoiler: he doesn't recognize her as his daughter. Once she manages to get ahold of Star Dream's program controller, she never displays any signs of ill will toward Kirby, even if she is a little condescending, and she even gives him a mech suit to help him destroy Star Dream later on. As someone who knows her backstory, it seemed to me like she was just forced into some miserable circumstances and tried to take the first opportunity to free herself from them, and hadn't expected it to backfire so horribly.]]
** PragmaticVillainy. If Susie didn't give Kirby a mech, Star Dream would have destroyed everything. Also, she still takes part in the invasion of Popstar, tries to destroy Kirby by herself and [[spoiler:has Meta Knight mechanised.]]

* In Planet Robobot, was there any reasoning or motive behind Star Dream screwing Susie over so many times, or was it meant to be taken as colossally bad luck for her? For starters, it trapped her inside another dimension when she was just a child, although supplementary material does label that event as an accident. But then when Haltmann tried to get her back, Star Dream erased his memories of her instead, so that he didn’t recognize her once she did return. Then it drafts up a business plan where Susie is the stakeholder for the invasion of Planet Popstar, which gets her fired when Kirby proves to be too much for her, before finally zapping her unconscious when she steals its program controller and tries to use it for herself. I know it’s supposed to be just a computer, but this many catastrophes befalling a single person who didn’t deserve them seems hard to just brush aside as mere happenstance.
** Star Dream causing problems for Susie throughout her life seems to be mostly a result of its incomplete nature messing up Haltmann's mind, rather than the computer itself being malevolent from the start. Her being sent to Another Dimension was an accident during an early test, given that it wasn't sentient at the time. Star Dream also didn't intentionally erase Haltmann's memories; it seems more like it was a side effect of Haltmann continuing to use Star Dream's program controller to bring back Susie while the machine was in an incomplete state, which screwed with his brain. For all we know, Star Dream didn't just target the memories of Susie specifically, it could've made Haltmann forget several things about himself aside from being the CEO of a huge intergalactic company; after all, he did lose the ability to feel compassion for others. As for the Haltmann Works Company's invasion of Popstar, my impression was that Star Dream drafted the plan to mechanize other planets based on ''Haltmann's'' desires for "eternal prosperity" for his company, which was the result of him being warped due to Star Dream slowly driving him mad. However, it blasting Susie when she puts the controller on her head is definitely intentional, since Star Dream has already absorbed Haltmann's soul by that point and gained sentience of its own. Basically, Star Dream did cause problems, but rather than actively trying to spite either of the Haltmanns, it basically set off a dominoes-of-doom effect because of it's malfunctions.

* In Epic Yarn, the lack of Kirby's inhale ability is nicely explained. But how, then, can he still ''eat''? The same logic should apply. He even got upset with Prince Fluff over that apple tree incident, when the Yarn-world inhabitants should have no need to eat period!
** Perhaps the magic that keeps Patchland the way it is doesn't "mesh" with the magic that gives Kirby his powers of inhalation.
** Or the inhale ability isn't the same as his natural ability to inhale. Or he just chewed and swallowed. Never did it say he had no swallowing ability. And enemies are probably made safe enough to swallow though the ability inhale, so he can't put enemies in his mouth, because he would get hurt without the enemies first being made hurtproof.

* In ''Kirby's Epic Yarn'', how is Kirby able to fall slower by turning into a parachute when we've already established that he can't inhale because the air goes right through him?
** Everything and everyone got turned into an arts-'n-crafts version of itself/themselves. This also extends to the environment, meaning that every single level that got turned into yarn is now operating on 2D arts-'n-crafts logic. Kirby's inhale ability, on the other hand, still operates under 3D logic, so the air treats his body (operating under 2D arts-'n-crafts logic) like a loop made out of pink yarn. The parachute form already operated under 2D arts-'n-crafts logic to begin with, meaning that it followed the same rules being followed by the levels. So as far as the arts-'n-crafts level is concerned, the arts-'n-crafts parachute form is a valid parachute.

* This troper has all but one question: [[AbsenteeActor Where the hell was Meta Knight during the Dark Matter trilogy?!]]

** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let Dreamland '''STARVE''' just so he could have a giant picnic. Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, there's this {{Eldritch Abomination}} in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to make everyone stop dreaming until I can fix things" might not be the best idea. Telling people would probably be even worse for him when you consider the fact that he probably didn't know if the Dream Fountain was even fixable at all. It's easily possible that, as far as Dedede knew, it's likely that people will never dream again. So his options were essentially limited to either "tell everyone and let them still dream (due to no one believing him and stopping him from breaking the Rod), but also let them suffer from nightmares", or "don't tell anyone and indefinitely prevent everyone from dreaming, but ultimately protect them from the suffering Nightmare would otherwise spread and inflict". While I sincerely believe that he made the right choice and chose the {{LesserofTwoEvils}}, he still should have at least explained after he broke the Star Rod.

** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let Dreamland '''STARVE''' just so he could have a giant picnic. Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, there's this {{Eldritch Abomination}} in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to make everyone stop dreaming until I can fix things" might not be the best idea. Telling people would probably be even worse for him when you consider the fact that he probably didn't know if the Dream Fountain was even fixable at all. It's easily possible that, as far as Dedede knew, it's likely that people will never dream again. So his options were essentially limited to either "tell everyone and let them still dream (due to no one believing him and stopping him from breaking the Rod), but also let them suffer from nightmares", or "don't tell anyone and indefinitely prevent everyone from dreaming, but ultimately protect them from the suffering Nightmare would otherwise spread and inflict". While I sincerely believe that he made the right choice and chose the [[LesserofTwoEvils]], he still should have at least explained after he broke the Star Rod.

** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let Dreamland '''STARVE''' just so he could have a giant picnic. Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, there's this {{Eldritch Abomination}} in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to make everyone stop dreaming until I can fix things" might not be the best idea. Telling people would probably be even worse for him when you consider the fact that he probably didn't know if the Dream Fountain was even fixable at all. It's easily possible that, as far as Dedede knew, it's likely that people will never dream again. So his options were essentially limited to either "tell everyone and let them still dream (due to no one believing him and stopping him from breaking the Rod), but also let them suffer from nightmares", or "don't tell anyone and indefinitely prevent everyone from dreaming, but ultimately protect them from the suffering Nightmare would otherwise spread and inflict". While I sincerely believe that he made the right choice and chose the

** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let the entire planet ''STARVE'' just so he could have a giant picnic. And Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, now there's this {{Eldritch Abomination}} in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to steal everyone's dreams until I can fix this" might not be the best idea.

** Quick refresher: He stole all of Dreamland's food as "taxes". He was willing to let the entire planet ''STARVE'' just so he could have a giant picnic. And Adventure comes right after Dreamland, so it's almost guaranteed that everyone will still remember what Dedede did in "Kirby's Dreamland". And now he's going to break the Star Rod and make everybody not have dreams anymore. With the Dreamland incident still fresh on everyone's minds, telling everybody "hey, now there's this [[EldritchAbomination]] in the Dream Fountain, so I'm gonna have to steal everyone's dreams until I can fix this" might not be the best idea.

** If Nova was without an actual consciousness (''Planet Robobot'' implies that it's equivalent to a computer's AI), then it's no different than someone disarming a bomb before it detonates. If Nova ''did'' have a consciousness, then that means it could've chosen not to grant Marx's wish but did so anyway, making it far from an innocent character.

* Star Dream causing problems for Susie throughout her life seems to be mostly a result of its incomplete nature messing up Haltmann's mind, rather than the computer itself being malevolent from the start. Her being sent to Another Dimension was an accident during an early test, given that it wasn't sentient at the time. Star Dream also didn't intentionally erase Haltmann's memories; it seems more like it was a side effect of Haltmann continuing to use Star Dream's program controller to bring back Susie while the machine was in an incomplete state, which screwed with his brain. For all we know, Star Dream didn't just target the memories of Susie specifically, it could've made Haltmann forget several things about himself aside from being the CEO of a huge intergalactic company; after all, he did lose the ability to feel compassion for others. As for the Haltmann Works Company's invasion of Popstar, my impression was that Star Dream drafted the plan to mechanize other planets based on ''Haltmann's'' desires for "eternal prosperity" for his company, which was the result of him being warped due to Star Dream slowly driving him mad. However, it blasting Susie when she puts the controller on her head is definitely intentional, since Star Dream has already absorbed Haltmann's soul by that point and gained sentience of its own. Basically, Star Dream did cause problems, but rather than actively trying to spite either of the Haltmanns, it basically set off a dominoes-of-doom effect because of it's malfunctions.